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      C4AZ57B Station Master

    I need to ask this question, as I heard it from a fellow rail traveller whilst on a v/line train into the city from Traralgon about 4 years ago.

    I was told that one of the regular country diesel services into the city was sent into the city underground loop. I’m assuming by mistake?

    Is this true?

    Has this ever happened?

    Thanks
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 20:50

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      mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

    Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
    AFAIK there are no regularly scheduled services in the loop. One time a signaller routed one in there and it confused EVERYONE!

    But a V/Line ticket gives you free travel on sparks around the Loop.
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 20:53
      Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Greensborough, Vic
    Maybe he was confusing Warragul sparks for diesels?
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 20:56
      fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

    Location: Somewhere your not.
    How long ago did it get wrong-routed? Now that would of been a sight to see,  An N passing through Melbourne Central!
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 20:58
      mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

    Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
    Would have sounded great! Laughing
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 20:59
      Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Greensborough, Vic
    One time a signaller routed one in there and it confused EVERYONE!
    "mjja"
    As a result V/Line had a  set of cars that were around the wrong way, and had to turn them back around again (probably via the reversing loop strangely enough Wink ).
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 21:03
      EvanC Chief Plonker

    Location: Bayswater, Victoria
    AFAIK the loop was designed to *cope* with a diesel ruinning through there, but the specific scheduling of a diesel service is prohibited, due to fumes.
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 21:44
      fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

    Location: Somewhere your not.
    I remember when a GM went through the loop (can't remember the year) i think it was a railfan trip
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 21:46
      Shacks Ghanzel

    Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
    It is true, a Tea Cup B Class went through the loop from Bairnsdale when it was given the wrong path into the city. It was a mistake that saw the entire train go for a run around the balloon loop to get it back the right way. I am not sure of the date. i have seen photo's of it at Museum Station.
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 22:15
      Webslave Site Admin

    Location: Altona, Melbourne
    There is a thread on this happening, if you do a search.
    Posted: 13 Jul 2005 22:34
      C4AZ57B Station Master

    I did try a search for any info but was not sure how to make the most of the searching facilities, as quite a few threads where returned.

    Thanks for the info Shacks, I was guessing it was a Gippsland line train service that went through.

    Do you know if the photos at Museum Stn are also on the web?
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 08:29
      8141 Station Staff

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    There was an up Bairnsdale train, (before the line was shut and re-opened) that was sent into the loop. The driver, instead of stopping and reporting the mistake to Metrol, decided to continue on. And boy did he get into deep $hit over that one...
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 08:43
      T411 Moderator

    Location: Somewhere
    AFAIK the loop was designed to *cope* with a diesel ruinning through there, but the specific scheduling of a diesel service is prohibited, due to fumes.
    "EvanC"

    Diesel services can be sent through the loop with enough advance notice. EG works trains and fan specials are some that have used the loop. The major problem with diesel fumes is if there is no advance notice and no time to turn the fans etc on.
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 11:19
      DavidB Moderator

    Location: Canberra
    AFAIK the loop was designed to *cope* with a diesel ruinning through there, but the specific scheduling of a diesel service is prohibited, due to fumes.
    "EvanC"

    The MURL is designed to cope with occasional diesels. The ventilation system can be reversed so air is sucked out of the tunnels/stations rather than blown into it.

    Cheers
    David
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 11:27
      Camster Chief Commissioner

    Location: Geelong
    Diesels through the loop occur on very rare occasions. A couple of Gippsland trains went through by accident. These made the news, so I guess you can say they are not really supposed to go through the loop. Of course the loop would be built to cope with them.
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 12:47
      Somebody in the WWW Banned

    Location: Banned
    It is true, a Tea Cup B Class went through the loop from Bairnsdale when it was given the wrong path into the city. It was a mistake that saw the entire train go for a run around the balloon loop to get it back the right way. I am not sure of the date. i have seen photo's of it at Museum Station.
    "Shacks"


    Can you upload the pics and show us?
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 14:42
      RM62 Deputy Commissioner

    Hey what would an R class do down there Smile
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 16:14
      joffie Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melbourne
    I assume some of you are talking about the new signal person who accidently thought a pass from sale or whatever displayed as a spark, hence sending it through the loop.
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 16:53
      Somebody in the WWW Banned

    Location: Banned
    He wasn't "new", at the time he worked for Connex as they were then (controlling Clifton Hill/Burnley) and was filling in for someone who controlled the M> lines who was away, and he wasn't used to dealing with non-sparks, so he directed the V/Liner into the loop as all sparks were due to go via the loop at that time of day.

    Some of us are talking about that (the N class in 2001), some are talking about the B class from Bairnsdale incident in the 1980s.
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 17:09
      vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

    Location: Here, there, everywhere!
    To quote from a message I posted to a similar thread more than two years ago (on March 28, 2003)


    Here's what supposedly happened:
    On Friday 22nd June 2001, 8406 (0603 from Traralgon), N457+FN Set, was sent through the City Loop, after its stop at Richmond station. M>Train were short a bloke at Metrol and a Connex employee helped out with the M>Train signalling, so he obviously assumed that 8406 was a spark, rather than a VLP train, and set it up to go through the loop. The train stopped at each of the loop stations, before arriving into Spencer Street. I would imagine that a Y Class or something would have came along, picked up the reversed order train, took it through the reversing loop, and continued using the loco from their (N Class was No.1 end facing Traralgon [meant to be the other way], and the FN Set's carriages 'West' ends would actually have been 'East' ends).

    Hope this is of some help to the VLP train through the loop matter.
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 17:15
      Shacks Ghanzel

    Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
    I don't have the pictures or know of them being on the net. I saw prints of it, way before the digi days. I had also heard of the N Class, but didn't know the details. I also think an L ran through the loop at some time in the middle of the night to turn an N set.
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 21:01
      Eaglemist Assistant Commissioner

    Location: East Gippsland
    I need to ask this question, as I heard it from a fellow rail traveller whilst on a v/line train into the city from Traralgon about 4 years ago.

    I was told that one of the regular country diesel services into the city was sent into the city underground loop. I’m assuming by mistake?

    Is this true?

    Has this ever happened?

    Thanks
    "C4AZ57B"


    Yes, the Up Traralgon with an N and an Nset were routed through the loop in error one morning.  I used to change at Richmond to a spark, so I missed it!  Bummer!
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 22:07
      Stoker_Motor Chief Train Controller

    Location: Halsey Theater
    There are provisions for operating diesels in the loop. Max. notch 4 on the loco and extraction fans set to full. I think the fire system is also disabled whilst the train is down there.
    Posted: 14 Jul 2005 23:42
      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    Correct Stoker, and it has to be pre-planned to some degree in order to set up the loop ventilation.  Of course in dire emergency they would do it ASAP.
    Posted: 15 Jul 2005 00:05
      John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: Melbourne suburbs
    Diesel services can be sent through the loop with enough advance notice. EG works trains and fan specials are some that have used the loop. The major problem with diesel fumes is if there is no advance notice and no time to turn the fans etc on.
    "T411"
    Correct Stoker, and it has to be pre-planned to some degree in order to set up the loop ventilation. Of course in dire emergency they would do it ASAP.
    "Gwiwer"

    I'm not actually aware of any required lead time to turn up the fans.  As far as I know, Metrol can do it simply by entering a command into the computer terminals.
    Posted: 18 Jul 2005 23:18

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