Goods/Passenger Cars hauled by Australian Locos

 
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
The Southern Aurora ran from 1962 to 1987. Double 44s were common in NSW but 421s and 422s were also used. 81s were hauling it towards the end.

This is probably the inaugural northbound SA in 1962.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12800/12800-00001-000173-360.asp

Before through running in the 1980s, they locos were changed at Albury with a VR S class (or later an X) working the train in Victoria.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3420244

Cheers
David
"DavidB"
In Victoria, originally was hauled by S classes until the mid-1960's, where first and second series X classes as well were used.  
B60 may have been used on SG when it made a brief appearance.
Later, third-series X classes, as well as the WAGR L's and ANR-liveriesd GM's were used when they were on hire to VR in the 1970's.  There was alwyas one or two S classes on SG up until the 1980's when G's and 81's made an appearance south.

What DavidB forgot to mention completely is that in NSW and Victoria, through-running was commonplace, so the Southern Aurora would have
been headed in NSW by late X's, the occaisonal C and G516-G527 as well as the rare 442.
422's were very commonplace in Victoria, along with 421's and the occasional 442; 8166-8180 were the 81's allowed into Victoria and were most likely the ones on SG.

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  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Have 422s ever hauled any other passenger services other than the Southern Aurora?

And what were the Overland Cars hauled by during the 1980s?
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
The Overland:

Early 1980's: a combination of late X/S/930 or occasional 700.
Late 1980's: Single or double N class.

I believe 422's hauled services to Moss Vale and Canberra.  Some NSW types may be able to provide more details.  Certainly, 422's also hauled teh Spirit of Progress and the Intercaptial Daylight.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
Have 422s ever hauled any other passenger services other than the Southern Aurora?
"alltrainzfan"

422s were very common on almost all passenger trains on the Main South right up until the end of loco-hauled passenger trains (including the revived Griffith pass in the 1990s). In another thread I did a snapshot of common locos in the short south. The entire 422 class was seen on Moss Vale, Goulburn and Canberra passenger trains in a matter of a few weeks.

42213 and 42220 were regular through runners on the Intercapital Daylight in the 1980s. In the early 90s it was usual for a single G or 81 to work through on the SEx/MEx, with a 422 assisting north of Albury.

And what were the Overland Cars hauled by during the 1980s?
"alltrainzfan"

Double S and X class (in any combination) was common. Less common was S/930. On a few occasions it was a single C class, which usually only happened when something else failed. The N class took over in about 1988.

Cheers
David
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Were any Overland cars hauled by a loco more commonly found in NSW?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The answer to the question Were any overland cars hauled by a loco commonly found in NSW would be no, but one Overland car did get to Sydney a long time ago when they were building the Southern Aurora cars, it was used in noise test's to determine if the SA cars were better or worse inside for noise. The Overland was on broad gauge until the line Adelaide to Melbourne was converted to standard gauge so a NSW loco would be highly unlikely! After it was converted it was possible, but I don't know if it was ever done not in South Australia at least! Someone from Victoria may be able to shed some light on their side of the border! NR's are one loco type that are common in NSW that now haul the Overland. Very Happy
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Damn it, I was hoping that a 930 AN or BL or CLP ever made it to NSW.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
Damn it, I was hoping that a 930 AN or BL or CLP ever made it to NSW.
"alltrainzfan"

They all have, but not with the Overland. 961 aka 44s1 runs in NSW. ANs and BLs now haul PN intermodals through NSW. CLPs hauled the Indian Pacific through to Sydney from 1995 until AN was privatised and have since worked in NSW with ARG.

The occasional BL did appear on the Overland in the early 90s and I think a few times on sg. CLPs were used on the Overland before privatisation.

Cheers
David
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
But a 930 AN or CLP have hauled the Overland-that's what I need to know.
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
But a 930 AN or CLP have hauled the Overland-that's what I need to know.
"alltrainzfan"



Yes many times. The CLP bought the over land to Melbourne many times. Before that was the V/Line N class and before that was the 930 with maybe a S class
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Were any Overland cars hauled by a loco more commonly found in NSW?
"alltrainzfan"


I doubt it, unless you mean the more "recent" SG Overland, then it would be SG NRs/BL's? If it's the "older" BG Overland, then I wouldn't think so...

Wolfpac

(EDIT: Damn, did it again, I really need to read the rest of the thread after the notification email arrives...  Rolling Eyes )
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
CLP's were the first SG locs used on the Overland.

Also, late X's were used in NSW a lot as well as on the Overland when on BG.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
Paiti was converted to BMC1 Sir Hans Heysen and Yanni to BMC2 Sir John Forrest. Both have been used on the Ghan and Indian Pacific, including to Sydney.

Dorai and Weroni were rebranded for the Ghan and I'm pretty sure they went to Sydney when the Ghan ran through.

Cheers
David
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
What's a cheap RTR wagon (concentrating on nothing whatsoever, but would like food and petrol) that suits the 422 class?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Behind a 422 you could find just about any type of wagon from any state behind it. I would suggest any type of tankcar with Australian markings that was used on the main state railways or any type of boxcar or container flats etc, hoppers would cover most of the classes in NSW or interstate. In other words let your mind run a bit free in this area , they would have hauled just about everything in their time and I don't think you would find much rolling stock that was completly out of place behind one of these loco's. these loco's hauled passenger trains as well as freight trains so that gives you more scope and food for thought. Hope this help's you. As it is your model and your model railway run what you like or want behind it, we promise not to tell the model railway police that what you are running behind it, was never done, so they will never know! Very Happy
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I might get some hoppers-I really like coal wagons, unfortunately I don't model somewhere like Coalcliff.

Can't the Auscision Model Company sell wagons seperately, not in 5 packs?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The wagons they are making are probably sold in 5 packs because you would not see one of them alone on a train unless it was being returned to workshops for repair or something. So they sell them in bulk to those who want whole trains of them. It's simple logic! Very Happy
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
and its better then selling single wagons, for this type of rollingstock at least. same goes for the wheat hoppers but not so much for the container flats.
but oh well its all good, im not about to start complaining about the way that companies market their models. as long as they are there evrybody wins!

Mitch
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
What did the 42 class haul? The Aurora?
  Electra Chief Commissioner

Id love to one day have a set of the Indian Pacific cars + motor-rail.   Then have a multitude of motive power hauling it.  44's, 80's, EL's, CLP's, NR's. Then just change the locos around to whatever era I want. Even though it may not say "Australian National" on the side or whatever, lets not get too picky! Razz
"Mike_in_the_west"


I've just posted a 1980 sample composition of the 'Indian Pacific' at the 'Locomotives & Rolling Stock' forum.  That might be of help.
  Electra Chief Commissioner

Thanks, dthead.

With the Southern Aurora, it says from a website that it operated from Sydney to Melbourne (I'd say before the XPT was introduced) in 1960s. When did it stop operating? And I believe that it was hauled by the all-rounder 44 class.
"alltrainzfan"


The last official runs of both the "Southern Aurora" and the "Spirit of Progress" occurred in August 1986.  The "Aurora" was unusual for Aussie trains in that it only ran as a 'sleeping car' train - no first class sitting passengers, no economy (second) class sitting passengers.

The replacement expresses from 1986 into the 1990s had both sleepers and sitters on them.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I thought that the Indian Pacific was a sleeping car only train for a while.

Thanks
Geoffrey
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
The IP isn't just sleepers. It has lounges, economy seating etc. It's the same as The Overland and Ghan.

Argh, I need to decide - get a 42 class or not!
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
The IP isn't just sleepers. It has lounges, economy seating etc. It's the same as The Overland and Ghan.

Argh, I need to decide - get a 42 class or not!
"alltrainzfan"


I thought it was around the early 1970s, maybe also early 1980s, well at least for part of the journey.

Thanks
Geoffrey
  Electra Chief Commissioner

The "Southern Aurora" consist also included lounge and dining cars, together with a deluxe sleeping compartment in one of the cars, but the train only accommodated sleeping berth passengers.  Using the 'norm' for passenger trains in NSW, no second (economy) class sleeping car travel was offered by the "Southern Aurora"; neither was sitting accommodation.
So, for anyone wanting to travel on the "Aurora" it meant paying for a first class berth.

"The Spirit of Progress" provided the accommodation for first-class sitters, second (economy-class) sitters and a limited amount of first-class sleeping accommodation by means of an NAM first-class twinette sleeper included in the "Spirit"'s consist.

The NSW Railways had dabbled in second-class sleeping cars on a number of occasions, but these were shortlived ventures using old rolling stock (such as out-of-date AL Pullmans on the North Coast line).  The closest the NSW authorities ever got to serious long-term second class sleeping car services was the design of a SAM type version of the standard TAM first class sleeping cars, the SAM having nearly twice the number of berths within the same basic carriage dimensions as the TAM!  The back-packers' version of the TAM!  No SAM was ever built!

The first westbound run of the "Indian Pacific" on 23 February 1970 may have mislead observers, as it was not typical of the standard "I-P" consist.  On that inaugural run, the "I-P" worked as two trains for as far west as Port Pirie before amalgamation.  The first train conveyed first-class sleepers, the second train included the second-class (economy-class) sleeping cars.

Fortunately, we have that initial consist recorded by the authors of "Coaching Stock of the NSW Railways - Vol.2" (Eveleigh Press, Sydney, 2002); on page 243:

1st train - Locos 4601 & 4602.
HGM.204  power/brake van.
ER.210     dormitory (crew) car.
ARL.249   first class twinette sleeping car.
ARL.247   first class twinette sleeping car.
ARJ.241   first class roomette sleeping car.
CDF.266  cafeteria-club car.
DF.264    dining car.
AFC.239  first class lounge car.
ARJ.240   first class roomette sleeping car.
ARL.261   first class twinette sleeping car.
ARM.253  first class twinette sleeping car with deluxe compartment.
ARM.252  first class twinette sleeping car with deluxe compartment.
SSA.260  special service car.
HM.259    brake van.


2nd Train - Locos 4603 & 4604
HM.257    brake van.
ER.2O4    dormitory (crew) car.
BRJ.214   economy-class twin-berth sleeping car.
BRJ.218   economy-class twin-berth sleeping car.
BRJ.215   economy-class twin-berth sleeping car.
CDF.229  cafeteria-club car.
DF.235    dining car.
AFC.236  first-class lounge car.
ARJ.242   first-class roomette sleeping car
ARL.262   first-class twinette sleeping car.
ARM.251  first-class twinette with deluxe compartment.
HGM.202  power/brake van.

Obviously, these trains were carrying some carriages which would become spares held at Perth when the first run arrived there.

The normal "I-P" consist at the start was HGM. ER. BRJ. BRJ. BRJ. CDF. DF. AFC. ARM. ARJ. ARL. HM.

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