MU on miniature railway

 
  iceman Deputy Commissioner

Location: Back home in Frankston.
Mod note: I split the topic of the "Railway Exhibition last weekend" thread,
as it has it's own merit.   David Head




I have been around minature trains since i was 10. now 21 and they are the only trains that i have ever come across with the MU system. i have been to AALS conventions where they have been and there are a lot of people that have not seen it before either and want to get plans to do it for them self. Bear in mind AALS conventions attract people from all around the country.

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  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!
Hi all. Did anyone other then David Head any my self attend the exabition last weekend?
"iceman"


I did, and looooved Austrain's NR74 in Ghan livery...
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Partly Quoted:

... Oh yeah everyone who saw that Y class should know that is unique. it alone with Andrew's X class and a South Australian 900 class owned by Michael someone thay all have MU (Mulity Unit Running) and if u come down to the pine loop event at DVR you will probally see them in action. It produces some good photo options. Anything to Add or correct David?
"iceman"


To be slightly more (or less depending on one's point of view) picky, you really should check out the meaning of the word "unique". A loco with unique MU ability would be quite pointless.  Very Happy  In any case, there are probably hundreds or MU capable miniature locos around the world. Perhaps the 3 you mention have a MU system that is unique to them alone. Or unique to DVR. Perhaps some clarification would help. I'd be interested to know what the situation really is.

ps. Yes, I was at Box Hill Monday afternoon.  Smile
"B 67"



There are not alot of MU miniature locos around. At DVR we only have a small percentage. I do know it is often tried by many a miniature loco builder. For DVR's trials see:

http://www.dvr.com.au/mu.htm

The info will not satisfy anyone for long, but hopefully help a bit.

Regards,
David Head
  Hairyman Chief Train Controller

Location: Corowa, NSW, Australia
thats a good article david, however do you have a link the the details on how exactly it is setup? it mentions the pin arrangement being available.

a link perhaps?

only want the info so that the loco, whatever it is, that i build will be compatible with the Y,X and 900 plus what ever else there is, if thats ok
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
thats a good article david, however do you have a link the the details on how exactly it is setup? it mentions the pin arrangement being available.

a link perhaps?

only want the info so that the loco, whatever it is, that i build will be compatible with the Y,X and 900 plus what ever else there is, if thats ok
"Hairyman"


see that web page for an update, basically better to wait untill we have it propely written down, with no alteration that may cost you !!!

I'll personally say it would be neat to get others to catch on, making it more widespread.

Regards,
David Head
  d1565 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Perth
Hi guy's,

You can consider the MU system to be of national interest as the DL currently being assembled in our shed here in WA will eventually be fitted with it. I first sa it in use a the Cobden Convention in 2001 and loved it, the flexibility in the system also adds to the realism, now if only we were able to run trains that really needed that much grunt on the noisy end....
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
I have been around minature trains since i was 10. now 21 and they are the only trains that i have ever come across with the MU system. i have been to AALS conventions where they have been and there are a lot of people that have not seen it before either and want to get plans to do it for them self. Bear in mind AALS conventions attract people from all around the country.
"iceman"


Although I've never been to an AALS convention, I am aware that people attend from all over. I've been around miniature trains about 16 - 17 years longer than you, although I confess that it hasn't been as regular as your time probably has been. Personally, I don't ever recall seeing any MU operation on any miniature railway (including DVR) but I've seen some locos so fitted (including the 3 you mention). I've read about many more in various magazines, especially overseas, but recall some Australian 5" gauge ones too.

I'm not trying to have a go at you, but try to remember that just because you haven't come across something elsewhere. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If it makes you feel better, I've been guilty of this more than once too. Smile

After a few other projects get completed around here, It's my intention to put together the 5" gauge S class parts that have been sitting around my place for far too long. I had two, but sold one. It's a long-term project, but I'd certainly be interested in setting the model up for MU operation. Just a matter of having a compatible standard to follow.
  d1565 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Perth
Have alook through back issues of AME. You will find a series on building a NSW 422 class diesle loco in 5" guage, the electronic control system used in that loco featured MU as an integral part of the design....

Hope this helps.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hi guy's,

You can consider the MU system to be of national interest as the DL currently being assembled in our shed here in WA will eventually be fitted with it. I first sa it in use a the Cobden Convention in 2001 and loved it, the flexibility in the system also adds to the realism, now if only we were able to run trains that really needed that much grunt on the noisy end....
"d1565"


I suppose to make a standard, someone has to prove it. Thr toruble with standards can be someone may want  xxx  feature but the developers may thingg xxx is too technical , etc.  We ar enot claiming the MU system is standard, even at DVR.

But if more people do use it and the locos work, it becomes a defacto standard.  I know there will be 7-9 locos eventually at DVR. It sounds like there may be at least 2-3 others away from DVR. Who knows !

As for other systems, alot of people have worked on MU. This is just one group of people in DVR's case.

As for needing the power, the system will allow two smaller locos to pull a bigger load around DVR, rather than having one bigger loco.

Regards,
David Head
  Hairyman Chief Train Controller

Location: Corowa, NSW, Australia
Is there anyway to show us or post on the DVR site the defacto standard that DVR uses?

like you said, if enough people use it, it WILL become the standard.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is there anyway to show us or post on the DVR site the defacto standard that DVR uses?

like you said, if enough people use it, it WILL become the standard.
"Hairyman"


There is not paper work with details I can get that will show this imformal standard. IT is not offically endorsed by DVR at this time.

I know it sound frustrating that I know of these items but have no details to share. In fact I do not think there is any paperwork at all on it !!!
( I know, perhaps I should start writing it down...... )

I may have my homework, will report back within a few weeks....


Regards,
David Head
  iceman Deputy Commissioner

Location: Back home in Frankston.
Yeah Craig that was i met you again. And that is where i first saw the system too and yeah i loved it too. it was even better when i could get u out of the drivers seat and i could have a go. I am pritty sure that between the 2 of us we kept that train running for hours.

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