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      chooke Station Master

    Here's one.

    The Finsbury/Woodville North service could depart or arrive from either platforms 2, 3 or 4, Woodville station. When would the service normally depart from platform 3? If you know about platform 2 that is a bonus - I don't know it myself!
    Posted: 08 Apr 2014 23:09

    Last edited by chooke on 08 Apr 2014 23:10; edited 1 time in total

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      xdford Chief Train Controller

    This is a bit late and I am surprised it was left this long. From memory several of the Finsbury services in the afternoon "crossed" at Woodville North, the down version of which was followed by an express which "caught it" near Woodville Park, thus obligating the down service into Platform 3 so the up Finsbury could use Platform 4. From memory there were 3 afternoon services to Finsbury.

    Where the down track from Adelaide was clear, the Finsbury would have/could have used Platform 2...

    All from memory... I don't have any old WTT's with me here in Melbourne!

    Cheers

    Trevor
    Posted: 02 Jul 2014 22:25
      chooke Station Master

    That is correct Trevor.

    I once caught a train to Woodville Nth from Platform 2, back in 1978 I think.
    xdford
    Posted: 11 Aug 2014 14:40
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    Some Finsbury trains were a simple shuttle back and forth from Finsbury these used platform 4 at Woodville for this. However in both peaks there was also trains from Adelaide to Finsbury and reverse as well and as there was not many crossing places on the line, Woodville North being the only one actually then it was one railcar at a time on the line using a staff. I have one of these staffs in my possession actually given to me by a Woodville Station Master! So with staff machine operation on this line you can only have one staff out at any time, hence only one movement. So trains could be crossed at Woodville by using the other platforms. Woodville North being rarely if ever used for crossing a railcar. This was in Red Hen days though! In reality it was a simple single track for all intents and purposes.

    Out of peak hours platform 4 at Woodville was used to get the Holdens shunt train out of the way to go to Mile End! The train being made up in the platform!
    Posted: 13 Aug 2014 19:42
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    OK, this might sound obtuse but it will get the ball rolling...

    What was the actual steepest section of track on the SAR carrying on to ANR days?

    Trevor
    Posted: 16 Aug 2014 09:44
      SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Chicago, IL
    Trevor - depends if you mean simple grade change or grade + curvature (which essentially increases the effective grade the loco has to deal with).  If the latter, I've got to think the Main South Line would be a contender.

    I don't have grade charts handy but I also recall reading about a fairly steep grade in one if the 'Proceed to ...' books where they often had to split a fairly pathetically sized train to make it up with a T.  But I suspect that the line didnt make it into the ANR period, or if it did, not for very long.
    Posted: 16 Aug 2014 12:44
      SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

    I was thinking Belalie bank just out of Jamestown but as with SAR523, I'm not sure about the ANR period.
    Posted: 16 Aug 2014 13:23
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    I was thinking Belalie bank just out of Jamestown but as with SAR523, I'm not sure about the ANR period.
    SAR520SMBH

    The section of track that I am thinking of was actually quite short... very few movements as distinct from Locos would have used the line... just about given it away with that!

    Trevor
    Posted: 16 Aug 2014 16:27
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    What was the actual steepest section of track on the SAR carrying on to ANR days?

    Trevor
    "xdford"

    A wild guess but ..........
    The branch from the truro line (Stockwell Rd LX) into the Penrice Quarry?
    Posted: 16 Aug 2014 17:12
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    HI Tony,

    A bit closer to Adelaide than that!

    Cheers

    Trevor
    Posted: 16 Aug 2014 17:24
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Into the ME diesel loco facility?

    The track up to the public staithes at ME North was quite steep but I think that predates you period.

    Ian
    Posted: 20 Aug 2014 10:23
      xdford Chief Train Controller

    Into the ME diesel loco facility?

    The track up to the public staithes at ME North was quite steep but I think that predates you period.

    Ian
    steam4ian

    Correct Ian, the Gradient at that point was in the order of 1:28 and no train was ever meant to traverse it but light locos could. It was unnerving almost rollercoaster like being in a loco going down it if you were not used to it but it was about the length of 2 930's. The "escape" lasted into ANR days till about 1984 or so AFAIK


    Over to you Ian ... I honestly thought it would go earlier!

    Trevor
    Posted: 20 Aug 2014 17:04
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Trevor.

    Your clues were too generous and it was the only place around the system I could think of close to Adelaide.

    Ian
    Posted: 20 Aug 2014 18:06
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    A bridge only intended to be used by locos.
    Posted: 20 Aug 2014 18:07

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      torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

    Old Princes Highway, Murray Bridge, it was originally a rail bridge now a road bridge.
    Posted: 20 Aug 2014 22:56
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    Any turntable, as the revolving part is a Bridge and is in fact referred to as the bridge! If this is correct then floor is open to anyone!
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 22:55
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Any turntable, as the revolving part is a Bridge and is in fact referred to as the bridge! If this is correct then floor is open to anyone!
    David Peters

    Very clever David but NOT the answer.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 23:20
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    This clue is a word to the wise.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2014 23:21
      SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Chicago, IL
    Was there a wye somewhere that had a bridge on one of the legs?
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 13:08
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Was there a wye somewhere that had a bridge on one of the legs?
    SAR523

    You tell me.
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 13:33
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    Morgan?
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 14:03
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Morgan?
    duttonbay

    I'll pay that.

    I was actually thinking of Mt Barker where the apex needed a bridge over the creek, the point blades must have just about been on the bridge..

    The wye at Morgan ran up the gulley by Landseer's warehouse and seemed incredibly steep. I think it had a separate bridge over the punt access road from the main line.

    Over to you.
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 14:54
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    OK - here's a simple one.

    We are looking for a stretch of line where up became down, and vice-versa.
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 15:42
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    OK - here's a simple one.

    We are looking for a stretch of line where up became down, and vice-versa.
    duttonbay

    Terowie to Peterborough?
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 17:49
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    No.  Terowie to Peterborough was down in both NG and SG days.
    Posted: 22 Aug 2014 18:04

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