Warrnambool line freight

 
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I'm wondering about what kind of freight trains run down the Warrnambool line, and about what time they run.

I remember a few years back there would be a cement train heading to Waurn Ponds most days, in the down direction about 1230 (with a X class) I saw the same train the other day passing through South Geelong around 1630 or so.

A few nights I have seen Up cement trains, at around 1030 at South Geelong. Also at night, at around 0100 I hear a trains horns in the distance, the horns getting closer together with time. I assume it is heading in the Up direction, towards the tunnel.

So am I seeing the same train at diffeent times, or there more trains floating around? Confused

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  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere

around 0100 I hear a trains horns in the distance, the horns getting closer together with time
The horns ................ the horns .....................  Mwa ha ha ha!

Waurn Ponds still has cement traffic although I don't have times to hand.

There is (or was until recently) regular freight all the way to Warrnambool and Dennington, used to go down after the morning passenger IIRC and up late arvo but well ahead of the teatime up West Coaster.

I'm not sure if this ran daily, possibly not, but I have seen it several times at various opints on the line.  As it was an FA operation anything could (and did) turn up on the point, but an A or an X would be the norm.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The train at 0100 would have proberly left WMB after the last passenger train of the day arrived (1030 or so IIRC)

Most of the times I've seen a single X or a pair of T/H up front.
  dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
Down 9219 Frieght departs Nth GLG around 0100, & arrives WMB around 0430-0500, stops @ Colac on way down to drop off a lourve van.

Up 9220 Frieight departs WMB 2130 - 2000 after 8237 1747 Ex SCS pass has arrived, stops @ Colac to pick up the lourve van it dropped off earlier in the day, then heads to North GLG yard, crew change or something then off to Tottie yard & Stable load.

Loco usually A class, but can be A paired W/ T or/ H if load requires it, sometimes but rearly these days you may see an X on the front, but never an XR, they are no premitted on the WMB Line as they are to heavy for the bridges, one was sent here in 03/early 04 and a lot of questions were asked as to why it was sent here when it clearly shouldn't have been, resulting in a few embarissing outcomes!
  standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!
Down 9219 Frieght departs Nth GLG around 0100, & arrives WMB around 0430-0500, stops @ Colac on way down to drop off a lourve van.

Up 9220 Frieight departs WMB 2130 - 2000 after 8237 1747 Ex SCS pass has arrived, stops @ Colac to pick up the lourve van it dropped off earlier in the day, then heads to North GLG yard, crew change or something then off to Tottie yard & Stable load.

Loco usually A class, but can be A & T/H if load requires it, sometimes but rearlt these days you may see an X on the front, but never an XR, they are no premitted on the WMB Line as they are to heavy for the bridges, one was sent here in 03/early 04 and a lot of questions were asked as to why it was sent here when it clearly shouldn't have been, resuklting in a few embarishing outcomes!
"dalts 1985"


I always think about this whenever I visit Warrnambool, it woud be more efficient if PN and V/line get together and use the day pass loco rather than having a loco store at Warrnambool all day....
  popey Train Controller

Location: Werribee, Vic
The Waurn Ponds Cement run usually returns to North Geelong Yard about 1300-1330. The down run leaves North Geelong Yard about 1000 after the arrival of the 0900 from Melbourne. It was usually X31/X36 (most common) or an A Class or a H Class.

The last time I saw either train was about three months ago though and with RFR this will probably change.

Nathan
  JWalker Station Master

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These pictures are from my last trip down west.A71 left at 2150 after the last pass from SCS.

23 container and louvre vans in total
  station street Chief Commissioner

The line to Dennington hasnýt been used in a while. Nestlé used to have freight from there, but (I think this might be correct) When it was taken over, the freight stopped, but it may have been long before that. The DOWN Freight last time I remembered was that it left around 9:30ish and arrived on the UP at around 5:30ish .......

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  station street Chief Commissioner

The line to Dennington hasn't been used in a while. Nestlé used to have freight from there, but (I think this might be correct) When it was taken over, the freight stopped, but it may have been long before that. The DOWN Freight last time I remembered was that it left around 9:30ish and arrived on the UP at around 5:30ish .......

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  Byrnesy Minister for Railways

Location: Gone
Does the line past Marshall have any crossing loops where freight and passenger trains can pass?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Does the line past Marshall have any crossing loops where freight and passenger trains can pass?
"byrnesy"
Loop at South Geelong - only for runarounds. It faces the wrong way for trains overtaking. And it's 5 min from Geelong! Though it has been used for passing freights, a down South Geelong pax train arrived, went into sidings, down freight train to Waurn Ponds wnet past, pax train back into platform.

Geelong Racecourse - has a loop off the main with platform, special trains only terminate here, no remote control of points.

Marshall - platform on main, loop usually used only for runaround. It's only 15 minutes from the end of double track at Geelong, so not useful to crosses.

Winchelsea - platform on main, used to cross pax trains. One train uses platform, has to go forward and reverse into the loop. Opposing train arrives, uses platform, original train sets off again.

Havn't been further down the line, sorry 'bout the rest.

Vicsig diagram here:
http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&section=lineguide&line=Dennington
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Birregurra has no loop (I have visited there)

Colac?
Camperdown?
Terang?
  Byrnesy Minister for Railways

Location: Gone
Thanks for that wongm Smile
  dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
Colac is established as a station fpr crossing trains as is Camperdown, when the freight sometimes leaves WMB around 7pm it will cross 8237 @ Camperdown.
  Byrnesy Minister for Railways

Location: Gone
Colac is established as a station fpr crossing trains as is Camperdown, when the freight sometimes leaves WMB around 7pm it will cross 8237 @ Camperdown.
"dalts 1985"


So Colac and Camperdown stations are island platforms with track on either side, or just another track running past the station without a platform ?(like what Coburg on the Upfield line was like up until 1995)
  tasrail2100 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane, Queensland.
So Colac and Camperdown stations are island platforms with track on either side, or just another track running past the station without a platform?
"byrnesy"


the latter option.
  Byrnesy Minister for Railways

Location: Gone
Thanks for clarifying that tasrail2100
  station street Chief Commissioner

Overall:

1 platfrom at each station
Colac, Winshelsea, Warrnambool and Camperdwon can cross trains
Winchelsea has a regular cross, and so does Colac (I think - I'd have to double check Colac)
The others (Pretty much just Birregurra, Terang and Sherwood Park) Can't cross trains (You'd again have to double check that)

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  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
Marshall - platform on main, loop usually used only for runaround. It's only 15 minutes from the end of double track at Geelong, so not useful to crosses.
"wongm"

Fifteen minutes is quite enough to justify using it.  It could quite easily be the difference between a train keeping its path or losing it.

So is there any problem with crossing trains at Marshall?
  dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
Marshall - platform on main, loop usually used only for runaround. It's only 15 minutes from the end of double track at Geelong, so not useful to crosses.
"wongm"

Fifteen minutes is quite enough to justify using it.  It could quite easily be the difference between a train keeping its path or losing it.

So is there any problem with crossing trains at Marshall?
"John of Melbourne"


Funny JOM that you should being up the topic of Marshall being used to cross trains on the WMB line!

The plan was @ the time of Marshalls Switching in, into the system, that once all the RFR works for the Geelong line & the new RFR Geelong WTT was immplimented, that all crosses on WMB services would preferably be down on the double track section between Geelong & melb/ like 8207 & 8220 currently do of a morning, or it this couldn't be achived have all crosses moved to Marshall or ultimatley geelong station to avoid having to have one train come into a platform then reverse to the loop like is the current practise @ Winchelsea & Colac!
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
Marshall - platform on main, loop usually used only for runaround. It's only 15 minutes from the end of double track at Geelong, so not useful to crosses.
"wongm"

Fifteen minutes is quite enough to justify using it.  It could quite easily be the difference between a train keeping its path or losing it.

So is there any problem with crossing trains at Marshall?
"John of Melbourne"

Funny JOM that you should being up the topic of Marshall being used to cross trains on the WMB line!
"dalts 1985"
I didn't bring it up.  I was simply responding to wongm's comments.

The plan was @ the time of Marshalls Switching in, into the system, that once all the RFR works for the Geelong line & the new RFR Geelong WTT was immplimented, that all crosses on WMB services would preferably be down on the double track section between Geelong & melb/ like 8207 & 8220 currently do of a morning, or it this couldn't be achived have all crosses moved to Marshall or ultimatley geelong station to avoid having to have one train come into a platform then reverse to the loop like is the current practise @ Winchelsea & Colac!
"dalts 1985"
The discussion was about crossing goods and passenger trains, not about crossing two passenger trains.
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
Marshall - platform on main, loop usually used only for runaround. It's only 15 minutes from the end of double track at Geelong, so not useful to crosses.
"wongm"

Fifteen minutes is quite enough to justify using it.  It could quite easily be the difference between a train keeping its path or losing it.

So is there any problem with crossing trains at Marshall?
"John of Melbourne"

I was speaking to the signaller at Marshell a few months ago and he told me that there was instructions in place banning crosses at Marshall. I can't see any logical reason behind this, particulary now with all the new signals etc working between Geelong and Marshall.

The signaller was unaware of the reason behind the ban. It was at the time staff and ticket working was in force between Sth Geelong and Marshall so maybe that had something to do with it?

The actual layout, signalling etc is such that physically and withen the 'normal' rules crossing should not be a problem.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I saw X37 run light engine through South Geelong towards Geelong on Monday (the 9th) at arround 1230. It had to sit outside South Geelong for 10 minutes or so, until the 1230 South Geelong train had left for Melbourne and cleared the station. I guess there was no freight that needed to be brought back from Waurn Ponds that day.

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  EL60 Chief Commissioner

Location: left
i saw X37 yesterday (10th of January) as well at South Geelong with 5 Cement Trucks from Waurn Ponds it had a red signal at Swanston St rail crossing to allow the 11.00am service from Melbourne to go into the siding
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
i saw X37 yesterday (10th of January) as well at South Geelong with 5 Cement Trucks from Waurn Ponds it had a red signal at Swanston St rail crossing to allow the 11.00am service from Melbourne to go into the siding
"EL60"
So the 11.00am from Melbourne (arrived at 1208 or so) got bumped into the long dead end siding that goes past the Swanston St crossing? I've seen that move done a while back, but it was in the afternoon to let a down cement freight through.

The layout at South Geelong would be better if the runaround had the points reversed in direction at the down end, to form a proper passing loop.

On Monday, that train had been running late, and so it couldn't be moved into the siding in enough time.

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