Warrnambool line freight

 
  thelastname Photo Overlord

Location: Somewhere
Nestle use to take briquettes to the Dennington plant to dry the coffee beans, but they shut the coffee down about 3 years ago. I think most of the container traffic is mostly milk powder.

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  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

What times have the daytime cement runs to and from Waurn Ponds been of late?
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th
From what I have seen, there's usually 6-8, either VLVX/VLCX's or Freight Australia LCL containers.
"ninthnotch"


What else is usually on the train?

--Bill
"freightgate"
Usually it's an A class (rarely an X or X-T, never a G or XR*), about 6-18 loaded container wagons, between 6-8 Fasttrack wagons.

*The line's too loght for the axle load.  X35 made it down there once, as the planners didn't realise it had been rebuilt - going by the locmotive number, presumed it was a normal early X which can run there.  Thus, from X34/XR554 onwards, the converted X's received new numbers and letters.)
"ninthnotch"


The line has been upgraded recently, and feels in reasonable condition. The pass speed is 115 (reaching 120+ at times). Shepp only has 95km/h line speed but can take an XR or G. How then can a G or XR be too heavy? Cant the bridges take the weight?

What times have the daytime cement runs to and from Waurn Ponds been of late?
"ashbeer"


Rolled thru Geelong at 1.10pm yesterday (X40 odd and T?) with bugger all on. Bout 5 or so hoppers.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Funny feeling it could be the bridges; not too sure.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
What times have the daytime cement runs to and from Waurn Ponds been of late?
"ashbeer"

I'll post over in this thread (I headed to get some pics there today) but in short, the train still arrives at the cement works about 11am, and returns once the shunting is complete, about an hour later. The down run had ~20 hoppers, and ~10 came back. (it needs to be back before the down Warrnambool train that runs about 1:30pm)
  hally Train Controller

Location: Splitting the Eaton up into 18th
(it needs to be back before the down Warrnambool train that runs about 1:30pm)
"wongm"

Thats spot on. It is 1.34 out of Geelong to make the painstaking cross at Winchelsea, which has the ex rest crew from the down night before service.
The new timetable will see that anoying cross happen on a double line section of track, somehwere between lara and corio.....?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Funny feeling it could be the bridges; not too sure.
"ninthnotch"


I am inclined to agree with you Ninthnotch. I took a WCR train to and from Warrnambool 31/2 years ago and the trip was smooth and fast, I estimated we reached 125 kph in some places. So given the 19 ton axle load at that speed with S302 up front, and given the A class is also a 19 ton axle load, it has to be a bridge factor. Because a freight at 80kph with a 20 tone axle load is similar to 19 tons at 120 kph. So the track is not the issue. It has to be the bridges. Any idea which bridges are involved here?
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Anyone know what condition the Mt. Emu Creek bridge is like?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Anyone know what condition the Mt. Emu Creek bridge is like?
"ninthnotch"


Pardon my ignorance. But where on the line is the Mt Emu Creek Bridge?
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

What is that thing the cement train stops for at South Geelong that they pass over? Like a rope.
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

What is that thing the cement train stops for at South Geelong that they pass over? Like a rope.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
What is that thing the cement train stops for at South Geelong that they pass over? Like a rope.
"ashbeer"

It is the train staff - it is a metal bar, the "rope" bit is a handle to allow it to be passed over while the train is on the move.

The train staff is used as a token to only allow one train into the single track section, in a system called "Train Staff and Ticket" (though if two trains are following in the same direction, a ticket is given to the first train) There are more details of it here here

Here is a pic of the changover at South Geelong:
[img]http://thumbs.fotopic.net/977019000284.jpg[/img]
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
It would be the train order and the master key for the cement siding. Train staff and ticket was only temporary until the system of "track block" was introduced between Geelong and Marshall.

Train order rules permit a down freight train to collect a train order for Marshall to wherever at South Geelong.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
It would be the train order and the master key for the cement siding. Train staff and ticket was only temporary until the system of "track block" was introduced between Geelong and Marshall.
"T411"

Thanks for the clarification - I was getting a bit mixed up. I think I have a pic of the keyswitch at Waurn Ponds (down end points on the main line) - is it the key the thing that looks like a tap?
[img]http://thumbs.fotopic.net/803031000542.jpg[/img]

I was getting a bit confused with the handing over of a metal bar, and train staffs. Is there any reason for a Warrnambool pass to need to be given a metal bar on a hoop at South Geelong - do they attach the train order to it?
  MOM Chief Commissioner

Location: here, there, everywhere....
Thanks for the photo, now can anyone explain it all?

Dual Key switches, sliding drawers and a handle! Surely not the Tardis?
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
Annett key lock, by the looks of things.
  MOM Chief Commissioner

Location: here, there, everywhere....
I should have added, how does it all work?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Dual Key switches, sliding drawers and a handle! Surely not the Tardis?
"MOM"

The top key switch is labled "Signal A", the bottom one is "Flashing lights" (for the level crossing) - pretty self explanatory. IIRC the "tap" looking thing was labeled "Geelong A" and the slider bar appears to be movable when you turn the tap. Confused
  skitz Chief Commissioner

It looks like and staff to annet key exchange unit.  there used to be one at Westmere on the SG up to not long ago.

There pupose of the apparatus is to provide a means to turn off a local level crossing circuit and not upset the motorist while shunting on the cicuit.

To get the annet key for the siding you must put the staff in it, when the lever is pulled across it locks the staff in the unit and switches off the level crossing.  The annet key is then free to open up any point work for the siding.

When it is time to go, the annet key is replaced, the crossing switched back on and the staff released as the authority for the section.

In the case of train order territory, the master key replaces the staff
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

What happened with the Waurn Ponds cement run last night? Went out there 9-10ish and it didn't come. Went back past the yard and the locos were still sitting ready in the yard at 10:30. Wheneven I see it, it returns up through Geelong at 10pm. Did it go at all last night?
  intown Station Master

Location: warrnambool
Today Down W/bool arrived at approx.19.30 somewhat later than its usual 05.00, it is planned to have it out later tonight after Westvic strip and reload the train. It could be after 23.30 before it departs might be something to lookout for in the morning!
Cheers Shane
  dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
Today Down W/bool arrived at approx.19.30 somewhat later than its usual 05.00, it is planned to have it out later tonight after Westvic strip and reload the train. It could be after 23.30 before it departs might be something to lookout for in the morning!
Cheers Shane
"intown"


Just departed WBL for Melb. 2315. Was reported as passing Marshall on the dwn this afternoon appox. 1505.
  ashbeer Assistant Commissioner

Just departed WBL for Melb. 2315. Was reported as passing Marshall on the dwn this afternoon appox. 1505.
"dalts 1985"
I can confirm that. Got a couple of photos of it then at Marshall. A85 haulling too! Strange! And for some reason the usual A78 did the Waurn Ponds cement run tonight.

Also what happend to the regular down Warrnambool freight tonight. Went past Nth Geelong yard at 1215 and it wasn't there. Did it go earlier because it didn't have to wait for the up?
  dalts 1985 Banned

Location: Banned
Just departed WBL for Melb. 2315. Was reported as passing Marshall on the dwn this afternoon appox. 1505.
"dalts 1985"
I can confirm that. Got a couple of photos of it then at Marshall. A85 haulling too! Strange! And for some reason the usual A78 did the Waurn Ponds cement run tonight.

Also what happend to the regular down Warrnambool freight tonight. Went past Nth Geelong yard at 1215 and it wasn't there. Did it go earlier because it didn't have to wait for the up?
"ashbeer"


No idea, that help you there!
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
If it continues, wonder if it is a rejig of the timetable?

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