Goods/Passenger Cars hauled by Australian Locos

 
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
This thread may sound as though it belongs in NSW forums but it isn't.

What sort of wagons do these locos carry, like do the midi candy livered SRA 4****s haul coal or petrol? I am wondering what model locomotives haul, to help me with my new decor.

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  Tsubame800 Chief Commissioner

ike do the midi candy livered SRA 4****s ???

Please explain this a little more. The 442's 422's and 44's have hauled Everything.. from Pax through to superfreighters. about the only thing they haven't hauled is Articulated wagons.
  Ben_Daui Deputy Commissioner

Well AR has heaps of kits & RTR stock to couple up as tyhey have Llyods old stock so petrol tankers,trailer rail,plus AR kits own range of wagons & container flats.
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Ok, what wagons would the 44 class and the Lima 422 class haul? Can I simply buy any sort of wagon and it'll fit with the engine?
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
44s hauled almost everything and almost everywhere, from express passenger trains (right up until the end of loco-hauled trains) to a pickup goods.

422s were generally concentrated in the south, mainly on passenger and express freight.

If you're modelling a specific era that would help to suggest some typical trains.

Cheers
David
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I'm modeling more of a display of trains. I found a few trucks in the garage, and I thought it would be sensible to get a level crossing, and make a nice large roadway along one of my sidings. I thought I could turn the area around the siding a sort of "goods" area, where trucks pick up/set down freight. I'm looking for a very cheap RTR loco with quite a few wagons trailing behind it.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
A Powerline 48 might be a good generic loco for a goods yard. They did everything from shunting to express goods and passenger.

As something simple to start with, how about an Inglenook?
http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/Inglenook/inglenook-layouts.html

Cheers
David
  Tsubame800 Chief Commissioner

if you want an all rounder then the 44 is the loco of choice.
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
What was the job of the 80 class? And if I was to buy any sort of Loco (eg. a Lima 44 class) will need to get a Lima wagon/truck or can any sort of wagon/truck do?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mix & match any loco with any rollingstock that you like, but you need a common coupler, and most people fit Kadee couplers to their locos and rollingstock. Some brands have the european coupler, that you have to cut off and replace. Others have no coupler (most kits) - leaving that up to you. And so on. You need to do the work to get them all the same.

Regards,
David Head
  Mike_in_the_west Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA

422s were generally concentrated in the south, mainly on passenger and express freight.
"DavidB"


422's in the 1990's also hauled the Blue Circle Limestone Train to Port Kembla.  Today, this is hauled by 2 x NR's.
  TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton
Have you got a 442 class?

If so then if it is Tuscan, Candy or Freight rail.
442's hauled, the Brisbane Limited, the od Southern Aurora, Hunter Valley coal trains, North West grain trains, fright trains (well they still do) ballast trains tour trains.
Should try a North Coast/North West theam if you have any, especially to North Coast, as they were the kings on that line, especially 1992-1994, doing almost every type of train on the line. And half the time they led Very Happy . Also if you a 45 class, then it would go well as well, as 45's, especially at Grafton were great shunting locomotives.
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I think the 44s also hauled Indian Pacific cars?
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
Yes, 44s were common on the Indian Pacific west of Lithgow from the mid 70s to the late 80s. The 80 class were more common in the early 1990s.

Cheers
David
  Mike_in_the_west Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Id love to one day have a set of the Indian Pacific cars + motor-rail.   Then have a multitude of motive power hauling it.  44's, 80's, EL's, CLP's, NR's. Then just change the locos around to whatever era I want. Even though it may not say "Australian National" on the side or whatever, lets not get too picky! Razz
  hanovale Deputy Commissioner

Yes, 44s were common on the Indian Pacific west of Lithgow from the mid 70s to the late 80s. The 80 class were more common in the early 1990s.
"DavidB"


This didn't tally with my memory so I checked the Parkes CANA books I have (1982-86) and my notes. The IP had roughly equal numbers of 44s and 80s in 1982 (double 80s, double 44s and 80+44 combinations mostly). By 1985 44s were very rarely seen on the IP. They did make a brief reappearance in the late 80s but only for a couple of months.
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I have a noob's question to ask:
What is "The Overland", which state does it belong to and what hauls it?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
THis best explains it : http://www.railaustralia.com.au/overland.htm

or search for "the Overland" in google or here at Railpage.

Regards,
David Head
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Thanks, dthead.

With the Southern Aurora, it says from a website that it operated from Sydney to Melbourne (I'd say before the XPT was introduced) in 1960s. When did it stop operating? And I believe that it was hauled by the all-rounder 44 class.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
The Southern Aurora ran from 1962 to 1987. Double 44s were common in NSW but 421s and 422s were also used. 81s were hauling it towards the end.

This is probably the inaugural northbound SA in 1962.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12800/12800-00001-000173-360.asp

Before through running in the 1980s, they locos were changed at Albury with a VR S class (or later an X) working the train in Victoria.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3420244

Cheers
David
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
They're like the IP, without the car trailer.
  DavidB Moderator

Location: Canberra
They're like the IP, without the car trailer.
"alltrainzfan"

The Southern Aurora had Motorail, but IIRC not on the inaugural run.

Actually the car heritage is the other way around. The Indian Pacific cars (built from 1968) were based on the Aurora cars (1962), but are structurally different. The SA cars were the last major rollingstock order with mild steel frames and the IP cars were the first major order with stainless steel frames including corrugated stainless steel floors (some pre-IP CR cars were stainless steel but the IP was the first complete train set with stainless steel frames). The major external difference on the IP cars were they had skirts to protect the under floor equipment. The replacement SA cars built after Violet Town had stainless steel frames more or less identical to the IP cars.

Cheers
David
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Some of the IP cars seem to have mild-steel underframes, they don't have the skirt.

I managed to find this on Tom's Hobbies old website:
Southern Aurora Cars  
NAM Sleeping Car $39.95
LAM Sleeping Car $39.95

The trailers are all sleepers?

http://home.pacific.net.au/~tomshobbys/Lima.html

Look at the Overland silver car. Aren't Overland cars orange? The one illustrated looks like a Southern Aurora with a different plate-no skirt.
  hanovale Deputy Commissioner

The Southern Aurora had Motorail, but IIRC not on the inaugural run
"DavidB"


My records suggest the motorail wagon wasn't added to the SA till 1973. Once the motorail was added the neon sign on the back of the SA was removed as it got damaged too often.

I don't think the IP had an MBY as part of the consist until 1979 or 1980.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Look at the Overland silver car. Aren't Overland cars orange?
"alltrainzfan"


By the sound of it, you may be getting confused with the V/Line N cars (or possibly the Vinelander as it ran in later years)? The Overland had "Maroon and Silver" and currently all "Silver" cars.

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