Webb Dock rail link

 
  siemens10 Junior Train Controller

Location: With Zone 3 In Heven, Gilly's due soon
when i rode to the city and back home today, i went down Todd road and noticed some old track and a couple of signs along the line saying 'Webb dock rail link reserved land. this land is reserved for the future Webb dock rail link.' Could anyone enlighten me with some information. Is it a failed program, something that was going to happen or something that is going to happen.

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  jim678 Junior Train Controller

Location: Bendigo Line
All 3, it was a rail yard back in the 80's, and they are thinking about planning to build a new one.
  timbo Junior Train Controller

Location: Belgrave/lilydale line, on a hitachi
try this thread out siemens10:
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11328931.htm

Timbo
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I once proposed to convert it into a light rail to Garden City.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
That be stupid.
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
That be stupid.
"ZH836301"

Why? If the freight link doesn't go ahead for whatever reason, it may not be too bad an alignment for all the workers down there, plus residents of garden city.
  ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.
I once proposed to convert it into a light rail to Garden City.
"route14"
Good for you.
  Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic
I once proposed to convert it into a light rail to Garden City.
"route14"
Don't think you're the only one to have such ideas. I've had a whole DLR style network in mind using a few disused lines (including web dock) for a while now. I have a bahn layout of it somewhere. Not that I think it will ever happen, but I like making hypothetical layouts in bahn.
  philbert metaSHAFT Developer

Location: In the conservatory, with a candlestick
I once proposed to convert it into a light rail to Garden City.
"route14"
Good for you.
"ninthnotch"

I always wondered how you got to 14,000+ posts...
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
That be stupid.
"ZH836301"

Why? If the freight link doesn't go ahead for whatever reason, it may not be too bad an alignment for all the workers down there, plus residents of garden city.
"T411"

Sandridge Beach/Garden City is only five to ten minutes from the Port Melbourne tram.  If you were absolutely desperate to put a tram there, you could just extend from Port Melbourne.

Workers are unlikely to use the tram in great numbers, since the connecting transport is not exactly stellar.  Many come from the western suburbs, for which dancing on the pedals over the West Gate, would still faster than taking  the long way into the city, then back out again.
  jim678 Junior Train Controller

Location: Bendigo Line
That be stupid.
"ZH836301"

Why? If the freight link doesn't go ahead for whatever reason, it may not be too bad an alignment for all the workers down there, plus residents of garden city.
"T411"

Sandridge Beach/Garden City is only five to ten minutes from the Port Melbourne tram.  If you were absolutely desperate to put a tram there, you could just extend from Port Melbourne.

Workers are unlikely to use the tram in great numbers, since the connecting transport is not exactly stellar.  Many come from the western suburbs, for which dancing on the pedals over the West Gate, would still faster than taking  the long way into the city, then back out again.
"ZH836301"


I work at Webb Dock, and a tram there would be great because it is a fairly long walk from tram 109, and the bus stops arnt exactly close either, not what i can find anyway.

BTW does anybody know of any close bus stops to webb dock that i dont?? it would be great
  Speed Minister for Railways

Sandridge Beach/Garden City is only five to ten minutes from the Port Melbourne tram. If you were absolutely desperate to put a tram there, you could just extend from Port Melbourne.
"ZH836301"


Where did you get those numbers?

It seemed much longer when:


    I don't recall how much time I allowed but it was supposed to be enough to have time to spare not to be pushing myself as fast as I could. It was difficult to find a road which went directly from the Port Melbourne terminus to anywhere other than back to South Melbourne.

    I didn't get the job. I don't know how it would have been to drive from the eastern suburbs to Garden City or Fisherman's bend during the morning peak.
      tainted Missing Link

    Location: Shepparton, Vic
    ... I don't know how it would have been to drive from the eastern suburbs to Garden City or Fisherman's bend during the morning peak.
    "Speed"


    It's a forgettable experience, I did it for 3 months going from Upper Gully to Holden, all I can say is thank god I don't do that now.
      ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

    Location: BleakCity
    You must be a slow walker Speed, only takes me five minutes to the edge of Sandridge Beach/Princes Pier.

    Of course it's going to take longer to reach, I assume, the industrial parts.
      schmocko Train Controller

    A few of you are so WRONG, you have NO IDEA how many people from the west, east etc catch the BUSES that go up Lorimer street, if they put a tram link from the flinders st extension, RIGHT NEAR the webb dock line track, and ran it to garden city via fishermens bend they would be packed to the doors in the morning and afternoon peak, there is alot of activity all day down there if you dont know the area or dont travel there how the hell can you say it wouldnt be appropriate!?

    Its a good idea, however i would just like to see a return of activity on that line in general.. dont have to explain why...
      penov Chief Commissioner

    Location: By the shore of Bass Strait.
    How many remember the Fisherman's Bend airstrips in the 30's and 40's ? The runways crossed about where the service stations are on each side of the Westgate Freeway.

                                (completely off topic)
      wongm GEEWONG

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    How many remember the Fisherman's Bend airstrips in the 30's and 40's ? The runways crossed about where the service stations are on each side of the Westgate Freeway.
    "penov"
    The runways were still marked in the 1966 Melway:
    http://www.custommaps.net/images/042.jpg
    http://www.custommaps.net/images/056.jpg

    And here are some details of the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation who owned the runways:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Aircraft_Corporation
    http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/MEGGS_CAC.html
    http://www.boeing.com/global/Australia/History/CAC.html
      Knowitall Banned

    Location: Banned
    How many remember the Fisherman's Bend airstrips in the 30's and 40's ? The runways crossed about where the service stations are on each side of the Westgate Freeway.
    "penov"
    The runways were still marked in the 1966 Melway:
    http://www.custommaps.net/images/042.jpg
    http://www.custommaps.net/images/056.jpg

    And here are some details of the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation who owned the runways:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Aircraft_Corporation
    http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/MEGGS_CAC.html
    http://www.boeing.com/global/Australia/History/CAC.html
    "wongm"


    I never knew that (I am still farly young though)
    That makes sence why boeing has a factory there now
      jim678 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Bendigo Line
    A few of you are so WRONG, you have NO IDEA how many people from the west, east etc catch the BUSES that go up Lorimer street, if they put a tram link from the flinders st extension, RIGHT NEAR the webb dock line track, and ran it to garden city via fishermens bend they would be packed to the doors in the morning and afternoon peak, there is alot of activity all day down there if you dont know the area or dont travel there how the hell can you say it wouldnt be appropriate!?

    Its a good idea, however i would just like to see a return of activity on that line in general.. dont have to explain why...
    "schmocko"


    I agree 100% i know lots of peopel who drive to work at webb dock because its too much of a pain to catch anything else there
      ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

    Location: BleakCity
    A tram isn't going to help the majority of people who travel here - western suburbs workers.

    And what of off-peak?

    There are other, far more worthy routes for trams within the city.
      wongm GEEWONG

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    I was looking over at Vicsig and turned up these photos of a special train on the opening day of the line.

    Jim Gordon: P22 and a SH set on the Webb Dock line, March 1986
    http://vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=19860300-webbdock-p22-sh-front.jpg
    http://vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=19860300-webbdock-p22-sh-back.jpg
      patrat Locomotive Fireman

    Someone told me today that there is a moderate quantity of new rail that has been put in the old council depot - now used by Port of Melbourne next to the old marshalling yards on the north side of Williamstown road.

    I would be surprised if this was the end of the line that they started working on.

    Apparently there is a bit of the old line that has been pulled up, out of the way of current dock works going on as well - points, and  a couple of sections of track that has been pulled out intact

    Anybody got any ideas what that is doing there? I would have initially thought it was waiting for the scrap metal dealer, but the fact that there is new track sitting there intrigues me.
      psr85 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sandringham Line, Melbourne
    Perhaps this is what it is to do with? http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11330398.htm
      jim678 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Bendigo Line
    Actually, the line would be greatly used because of all the houses and apartments in that area (Garden City) which isnt far away, people wnating to go to the beach on that side, and the workers would use it alot, as a lot of us from the offices there have to go back and forth to the city to other offices, and to do that either have to drive, wait 30 mins for the bus or walk to tram 109 which is a fair walk
      ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

    Location: BleakCity
    The Sandridge Beach/Garden City area is already close to the Port Melbourne line, and even if a Webb Dock line did exist for passengers it would still be faster for travellers to/from here to travel to the city using the Port Melbourne line.

    The patronage to Fishermens Bend to/from the city couldn't justify it either.

    Plus you would probably need a new Yarra crossing.

    (I'm not sure, but there may actually have been considerations to construct a bridge into Port Melbourne as an extension of Bourke St or Collins St as part of the Docklands redevelopment - not part of the project now.)

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