Aircraft Station

 
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
I have a query on Aircraft railway station, just between Hoppers Crossing and Laverton stations on the Werribee line for those who don't know.

I understand it is just in zone 2, with Laverton station being the last zone 1 station on the line. My question is whether Aircarft is a host station, that is is it staffed during the morning peak?

And whether it deserves it to be host, if it is? As I can think of many other stations that are much busier than Aircrafts "dead" status during peak as I have heard.

And is the station actually needed? Now I normally don't advocate station closures but with Laverton station just being in zone 1, I am guessing it draws most of the areas primary patronage, so there is a business case for closure of the station. Recently Laverton station also got a carpark upgrade so it now has around 566 car parks? I think and I'm sure I have seen in an old melways that Aircraft had only a measly 25 car spaces.

This surely doesn't encourage many people to use the station and that Laverton station a little down the road is in zone 1 meaning cheaper tickets and full time staffing, if commuters have ticket or safety concerns, I doubt Aircarft has little incentive for commuters to use.

However not knowing exact patronage levels maybe if the station was extended into zone 1 more commuter parking was built say 150-200 spaces and a dedicated bus interchange, patronage would increase. Residents of Point Cook for one would be more likely to use a reformed Aircraft over Laverton as it is closer and if proper bus services were in place, they might not be even need to use the car!

Please, especially Werribee line commuters, share your thoughts on Aircraft station whether it is host or not and its current patronage and strategies to improve its efficiency (i.e. does it need to be closed, extended into zone 1 etc.)

Thanks

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Aircraft is a legacy of a platform provided during WW II for the adjacent RAAF base . There were hundreds of guys on base when it was an active airfield. Now that it is not that need has dissapeared largely and no doubt it will be done away with if and when a new planned station further down the line to serve Point Cook is opened .
  PaxInfo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I have a query on Aircraft railway station, just between Hoppers Crossing and Laverton stations on the Werribee line for those who don't know.

I understand it is just in zone 2, with Laverton station being the last zone 1 station on the line. My question is whether Aircarft is a host station, that is is it staffed during the morning peak?
"chi01"


Aircraft station is not staffed.

And is the station actually needed? Now I normally don't advocate station closures but with Laverton station just being in zone 1, I am guessing it draws most of the areas primary patronage, so there is a business case for closure of the station.


Yes the station is needed and its closure would be short-sighted.  

* Aircraft is the nearest station to the rapidly-growing Point Cook area.

* A massive residential development for the area, using RAAF land, has just been approved.

* New and extended bus routes (413 & 416) serve Aircraft Station.

* Aircraft is more convenient for parts of Laverton than Laverton Station. Fares are only an issue for zone 1 travellers, people going to places like Altona and Werribee pay the same fare at both Aircraft and Laverton.  Laverton is a low-socio-economic area and there is a strong social case for public transport.

* Whereas the shops around Laverton Station are almost all closed down, there is still a functioning shopping strip around Aircraft Station.  Transit-oriented development requires co-location of jobs, shopping and transport.  

* Aircraft is much further from Laverton than many other closely-located stations.

In summary, Aircraft should remain and its justification for existence is certainly stronger than other quiet stations like  Patterson and Laburnum.

Peter
  connexwest Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
I have to disagree- depite the somewhat excellent connections with the 413, 414, 415 and 416 bus services, Aircraft Station would be better to be closed and be replaced with a Point Cook station located towards Werribee.

The patronage is very low and a Point Cook station would better serve the Werribe line and the local catchment area- which is what doesn't happen at Aircraft or to very little degree.
  hansonator Chief Commissioner

Location: Strathmore, Victoria
All the times i've gone through Aircraft, it seems to always have a fair few get onboard. Hardly low patronage
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
* Whereas the shops around Laverton Station are almost all closed down, there is still a functioning shopping strip around Aircraft Station.  Transit-oriented development requires co-location of jobs, shopping and transport.

Peter
"Meltrip"


That's amazing Exclamation

When I left Laverton to move here in 1987, most of those shops were closed.

In the 60's and early 70's the hub, or community centre of the old Housing Commission Laverton was those shops.

A Post office, opened about 1969, now relocated to somewhere near Aircraft.

A Supermarket, in in the 60's and another in the early 70's.

Two milk bars.

Doctors Surgery.

Dry Cleaners.

Chemist.

Fruit Shop.

Fish & Chip shop. (a shilling's worth was a lot of chips in 1965 Exclamation )

and a Commonwealth Bank.

The police station, across from the railway station, if it's still there was built about 1967.

Mike.
  connexwest Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
The police shop is still there Mike, but I think its preety much 9-5 hours now a days.

The post office was actually replaced by the newsagent/post office at Central Square Shopping Centre, but there's also the same arrangment in Aviation Road.

All thats preety much open are the Chinese takeaway shop and milkbar in Railway Avenue and in the Maher Road/Woods/ Lohose Streets areas are proberally 6 shops- most noteably an op shop, food delivery van shop and a New Zealand shop.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
For anybody who don't know, the new Point Cook station will be at Palmers Rd:



Hopefully they don't use grade seperation at Aircraft as an excuse to close the station.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Why not just make it Zone 1 and give it a bigger carpark?
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
Why not just make it Zone 1 and give it a bigger carpark?
"Mr. Lane"

Actually not bad an idea, that way it would take a lot of pressure of Laverton station as a lot from Point Cook do drive past Aircraft to Laverton so they do not have to pay zone two fairs.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Where they're building that overpass, Just near it, There's a deep cutting in the dirt, It looks alot like they're going to put a platform in, And also the Standard gauge railway line swerves (sic) away from the broadgauge main line, as if this station had been planned when they put the SG in.

Aircraft gets alot of use because of it's proximity to the Aviation Rd. shops
It is in a bit of a tricky spot, If they put Point Cook in, The proximity between the 3 stations is going to be rediculously close

I've seen people get on at Laverton and then get back off at Aircraft to go to the shops

but I've always said that Aircraft should be closed and Laverton station shifted further south east but that's less likely than all other options available
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Where they're building that overpass, Just near it, There's a deep cutting in the dirt, It looks alot like they're going to put a platform in.
"Brendan03"
The new bridge is suspiciously wide - there is enough space between the retaining wall and the current tracks for two more tracks; or for a slew of the east line and an island platform between the BG lines.

And also the Standard gauge railway line swerves away from the broad gauge main line, as if this station had been planned when they put the SG in.
"Brendan03"
The SG actually slews around the runway lights that are located at the end of the RAAF runway. They are a bit closer to Aircraft station as well.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Where they're building that overpass, Just near it, There's a deep cutting in the dirt, It looks alot like they're going to put a platform in.
"Brendan03"
The new bridge is suspiciously wide - there is enough space between the retaining wall and the current tracks for two more tracks; or for a slew of the east line and an island platform between the BG lines.
"wongm"


Oooh, Oooh! Future Quintuplification to Werribee!!1ONE!11 (and Electrification to Geelong!!11111111ONE!!!1)

And also the Standard gauge railway line swerves away from the broad gauge main line, as if this station had been planned when they put the SG in.
"Brendan03"
The SG actually slews around the runway lights that are located at the end of the RAAF runway. They are a bit closer to Aircraft station as well.
"wongm"


You wouldn't happen to know what lights they had for Runway 35 would you? T-VASI? VASI? RAIL (Runway Alignment Indicator Lights)

As long as I can remember the lights have been switched off, but I don't think I lived in Werribee when the SG was built.
  PaxInfo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
All thats preety much open are the Chinese takeaway shop and milkbar in Railway Avenue and in the Maher Road/Woods/ Lohose Streets areas are proberally 6 shops- most noteably an op shop, food delivery van shop and a New Zealand shop.
"connexwest"


Shops there seem to keep intermittent hours - when I last visited the Maori shop was closed.  There's still a laundrette and milkbar.  And the liquor store.  The op-shop takes pride of place and their opening hours on Saturday were recently extended.  

There's another shop - sort of like a community support two-dollar store with a bit of everything.

Apart from the op-shop (where there might be others) you feel sorry for the shop-keepers and feel compelled to buy something as you're probably their first customer for the day!

There are signs of a revival at Laverton, with graffiti cleaned up and one or two more shops open.  The community centre at Crown Street seems active.  In terms of vandalism, Laverton now seems slightly less derelict than the local shops in Braybrook.  And for that matter Albion, which when last visited had none in operation.  

The main transport improvements have been a 7-day a week bus service to Sunshine and the prisons every 30 min (route 400) and the abovementioned P&R. However the latter is unlikely to help the shopping strip as it's on the wrong side.

Peter
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
The runway had RAIL, or Approach lighting as it was know when the airfield was in operation, the airfield was shut down in 1991 with the runway decommsioned in 1993, the lights have not been operational since then.
  trolleybusracer Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Albans Sydenham Watergardens Line
that NZ shop is still open and yes since my departure of laverton that area has well and truely picked up.....
Good to see the shops on bladin Street still going strong
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

When the sg and Forstyh Road overpass were built allowance was made for
(i) a future third bg track between Laverton and Werribee, and also sufficient space to allow for re-arrangement (slue) of bg tracks to allow for a future Point Cook station in the general area of Forsyth Road .

Allowance was also made in the alignment of the sg line in the vicinity of Peak School Rd (between Little River & Lara) to provide any future bg station at Avalon if and when required . This is why the sg line moves westward away from the bg at that location .

If and when a Point Cook station goes in Aircraft would be closed as three stations within such a short distance would be overkill, and play havoc with capacity in peak hours in adding in extra stops on Werribee sparks .
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Allowance was also made in the alignment of the sg line in the vicinity of Peak School Rd (between Little River & Lara) to provide any future bg station at Avalon if and when required . This is why the sg line moves westward away from the bg at that location.
"kuldalai"
Thanks for that kuldalai - so that's why the line is like that. Idea
  Capegauge Chief Train Controller

Ms KOSKY (Minister for Public Transport) -- I thank the member for finally having a question and demonstrating an interest in public transport. This side of the house has a great interest in it. I would just like to reiterate that we are in fact abolishing zone 3 on Sunday, and it will be a great financial benefit for those travelling from the outer suburbs into Melbourne.

If the station that has been referred to -- Aircraft station -- were in fact moved from zone 2 into zone 1, it would no longer be called Aircraft station!
"Hansard"


Was she trying to crack a joke? Rolling Eyes
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Does anyone remember the old green signs on the railway stations. I remember going through Aircraft and it was the only station I could rememeber that has the station sign in caps.
  Craig Chief Commissioner

Location: Edithvale, VIC
Does anyone remember the old green signs on the railway stations. I remember going through Aircraft and it was the only station I could rememeber that has the station sign in caps.
"Camster"


I wonder if that would have anything to do with Aircraft being the first station name in alphabetical order?

Kind Regards


Craig Smile
  The Met Chief Commissioner

Location: 37.55-S /145.01-E
Hmm, Aircraft/Laverton area..?

Isn't this subtley related to "Williams Landing" - the newly proposed station?

I'm sure wikipedia has something on it.

Also - Aircraft would do good if there was a link down Point Cook Rd - down my the residential development - i know theres a bus route there, but I don't know exactly were it goes. But Aircraft station provides a pretty decent link. Wouldn't be too bad for the RAAF Museum (and Point Cook in general)
  Speed Minister for Railways

With the planning minister launching Williams Landing yesterday, it looks like Aircraft station will be staying put. It may yet be renamed.

Launching Melbourne's newest suburb, "Williams Landing", at the former RAAF Laverton Airfield south-west of the city, Mr Madden said the developer would offer a range of new houses with smaller house sizes offered to increase affordability and sustainability.

Mr Madden caused a storm last year when he suggested some large homes were "McMansions" that suffered housing "obesity". ... He said the new suburb, which will accommodate up to 2000 new homes, would allow people to build in a "modular way", where they could add to the size of their home.

...
The new suburb will have its own train station, 55 hectares of conservation areas and 15 hectares of landscaped open space.


http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/departures-trimming-housing-fat-with-slimline-model/2008/04/30/1209234958422.html
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The new suburb will have its own train station, 55 hectares of conservation areas and 15 hectares of landscaped open space.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/departures-trimming-housing-fat-with-slimline-model/2008/04/30/1209234958422.html
"Speed"

It might be referring to the new Point Cook station:
DoI linky
  trolleybusracer Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Albans Sydenham Watergardens Line
The runway had RAIL, or Approach lighting as it was know when the airfield was in operation, the airfield was shut down in 1991 with the runway decommsioned in 1993, the lights have not been operational since then.
"Shacks"


Sorry to bring up a year old post but yes the runway might of been decommisioned in 93 but i lived in laverton with the RAAF base beside by house.... Strange things went on there very strange.... there were sounds of jets taking off, machine gun fire etc and one night a rather large Explosion which the Base Blamed the Port of Melbourne on

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