QR Trainee Driver positions

 
  andrewstrains Assistant Commissioner

Location: Townsville, Where else but QLD
Hi eyeryone,
Just a quick heads up for the papers tomorrow QR should be advertising for trainee drivers. There was a ad in this weeks notice
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  Balberra Chief Commissioner

Location: On 6275 at St Lawrence waiting for 6740 to arrive from Kalarka.
Yes I seen that as well, however you will find it is only for current internal QR employees and not for external applicants......
  Heavy Hauler Chief Train Controller

Yes I seen that as well, however you will find it is only for current internal QR employees and not for external applicants......
"Balberra"


Maybe not Bal, the advert in the latedt WN said the positions would also be called externally for trainees.
  Garrat_1009 Train Controller

Location: Brisbane
Yeah, and heaps of people turn up for the external driver positions.
  Guss Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Too bad i'm not a little bit older.
  loco2600 Locomotive Fireman

Just had a look at the QR website and it is for QR Employees Only. 10 Positions are for women only.
  rowdy1975 Junior Train Controller

I think HR has outdone themselves this time.  The notice says external as well yet the QR careers website says internal only.
  Mark_SA Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
They have updated it now, it now includes external positions aswel.
  siding Assistant Commissioner

You must have a manual car license.
  chorlton Junior Train Controller

Location: Footplate
Just had a look at the QR website and it is for QR Employees Only. 10 Positions are for women only.
"loco2600"


Why are ten positions, for women only?
Is QR trying to get taken to court, by the first man, to be refused a job, because it's been given to a lower qualified woman, (or worse, after a crash, when people find out that the female driver, got the job, over better qualified men)?
  gsxxxr_750 Junior Train Controller

Hey Chorlton maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself. I know a couple female drivers and they are quite capable of driving trains and have been doing so for a number of years now.

Have a look at the mining industry they employ as many as women as they can to operate their heavy machinery.

So maybe you should just go and crawl back into that little narrow minded world of yours. Aint jealously just a drag
  NolaMcKenzie Junior Train Controller

Just had a look at the QR website and it is for QR Employees Only. 10 Positions are for women only.
"loco2600"


Why are ten positions, for women only?
Is QR trying to get taken to court, by the first man, to be refused a job, because it's been given to a lower qualified woman, (or worse, after a crash, when people find out that the female driver, got the job, over better qualified men)?
"chorlton"


It's called affirmative action
  AC4000 Train Controller

Location: Over your shoulder
Both adds appeared in the Gladstone paper last week can't say I agree with a quota of women though, affirmative action or not why not have one add and keep the number of women you want to employ to yourself. I think it is more of a PR exercise than a direct appeal to women to apply.
When my employer first started to actively recruit women in a heavy industry situation many of the applicants were unsuited to the work and many of them were back in the workforce after raising a family and used to being the boss at home.
The pressure was on the managers and supervisors to make it work no matter what, personality clashes and the expectation that the blokes would do the heavy work for them soon created friction. I even found myself threatening my direct boss and his supervisor with legal action over allegations made by a female coworker that were beyond the absurd.
Things soon sorted themselves out and the nature of the work soon weeded out the ones along for the ride both male and female. That said I have also trained about a half a dozen women in crane operation, forklifts, heavy vehicle operation and casting techniques and am proud of the fact they are safe and work consistently well. Although it may take them a little longer to pick some skills up I find they listen more and do not race ahead of themselves like most blokes do and get into all sorts of trouble.
A workmate applied for the last jobs on offer and after knocking back several offers, Cloncurry, Hughenden, Mt Isa and I think Sarina he took one several months ago at Bluff. Because it was closer to Gladstone and he did not want to move his family, I asked him why he applied and he said to make more money for a better family life. ( Like many blokes here he feels the need to keep up with the neighbors with most of the pressure coming from the wife)
He spent the first three months training out of Gladstone and now spends his time living in a caravan at Bluff and a unit he rents here because once he got the better paying job she kicked him out (higher wage, higher child support) not the first bloke I know that this has happened to here and not the last.
I think employing women in the operations area will only improve the culture of the workplace.
  loco2301 Chief Train Controller

It's REVERSE DISCRIMINATION...................two wrongs don't make a right, and it seems as though there are some femanazi types out there that are trying to even the score for what happened 30 years ago!

SHAME ON QR, whatever happened to merit based recruitment and selection?

There's nothing from stopping woman from applying for and doing the job as it stands now, because there are woman doing the job.

I personally don't have a problem with woman doing any job, but I believe everyone no matter who you are should be treated equally.

This is very dangerous territory that QR is heading towards, as all it will do is segregate the workforce.

It will also  give the perception that they are placing token people into a responsible job, therefore jepodising safety.

I believe men should start standing up for themselves, as we are now the victims of discrimination.

QR is a government owned corporation, so complain bitterly to your local MP, before this rot sets in.
  chorlton Junior Train Controller

Location: Footplate
It's REVERSE DISCRIMINATION...................two wrongs don't make a right, and it seems as though there are some femanazi types out there that are trying to even the score for what happened 30 years ago!

SHAME ON QR, whatever happened to merit based recruitment and selection?

There's nothing from stopping woman from applying for and doing the job as it stands now, because there are woman doing the job.

I personally don't have a problem with woman doing any job, but I believe everyone no matter who you are should be treated equally.

This is very dangerous territory that QR is heading towards, as all it will do is segregate the workforce.

It will also  give the perception that they are placing token people into a responsible job, therefore jepodising safety.

I believe men should start standing up for themselves, as we are now the victims of discrimination.

QR is a government owned corporation, so complain bitterly to your local MP, before this rot sets in.
"loco2301"


My point - thanks for your support - gsxxxr_750 should reread my post, (without the political slant) - I have no problems with women drivers, just less qualified women, (or men, for that matter), getting a job, over someone, who can do it better - appoint on merit not politics!!!
  gsxxxr_750 Junior Train Controller

Well Chorlton I reread your thread. You go on about less qualified women, when they finish their training in the classroom and out on the road they are deemed qualified as much as any male driver. So I cant see how QR will only be sued in an accident if the people involved found out a less qualified female driver was involved.

The positions called for are in citytrain do you guys know how many drivers are in citytrain? I dont think ten women driver positions are going to make much difference.
  NolaMcKenzie Junior Train Controller

It's REVERSE DISCRIMINATION...................two wrongs don't make a right, and it seems as though there are some femanazi types out there that are trying to even the score for what happened 30 years ago!

SHAME ON QR, whatever happened to merit based recruitment and selection?

There's nothing from stopping woman from applying for and doing the job as it stands now, because there are woman doing the job.

I personally don't have a problem with woman doing any job, but I believe everyone no matter who you are should be treated equally.

This is very dangerous territory that QR is heading towards, as all it will do is segregate the workforce.

It will also  give the perception that they are placing token people into a responsible job, therefore jepodising safety.

I believe men should start standing up for themselves, as we are now the victims of discrimination.

QR is a government owned corporation, so complain bitterly to your local MP, before this rot sets in.
"loco2301"


yeah, I think some people need to get their head around what an affirmitive action policy means.  It isn't about tokenism, it's not about discrimination, it's about creating an equal playing field.  The only tokenism is your statement about not having a problem with a woman doing "any job".  It's like saying I don't have a problem with immigration, as long as they're white, speak english and from the UK.  Words like Feminazi are just provocative and emotive (and insulting) and really add nothing to your post.

What stops women from applying for the job now is the preceived culture of QR.  Remember the dust up over Zoo magazine?  QR are being overtly open about wanting to employ women simply to overcome those perceptions.  It doesn't mean that a woman who isn't qualified will get the job, but it does mean more women are likely to apply, and QR has identified positions for those women.  And lets face it, 10 positions out of how many?

As for complaining to your MP... good luck.  Even the average National Party member understands the concept, despite their obvious lack of intelligence (I mean, if they had a brain, why would they be a member of the nats?)  Twisted Evil
  loco2301 Chief Train Controller

So you virtually call me a sexist pig because your oppinion differs from mine............is that the best you can come up with??

What did I say, that would give any one the perception that I believe woman shouldn't do a driver's job?

As I said previously, I believe EVERYONE should be treated EQUALLY, note the two words capitalised, and if that means more woman get the job over men, all well and good!

What I find dangerous, is people with your attitude, who seem to want to turn the tables, and go back to what we had 30years ago.

Just because there are more men in the job than woman, does not mean it's a boys club, it's just probably one of those job types that doesn't appeal to alot of woman, just like why are there more female nurses than male?

And as far as affirmative action........that's just ideological bulls**t made up by some politically correct politicians.

Creating quotas to make level playing fields will never work too, because all you are doing is denying other people who may be more suited to the job the opportunity, whether it be male or female.

And finally, I find your inference to myself being racist and sexist a bit over the top, and quite offensive.

You want to be more tactfull and carefull how you express your emotions before you start playing cards like that.

Because I have not said anything sexist and racist in my posts, you are reading between the lines and not looking at things objectively!!
  chorlton Junior Train Controller

Location: Footplate
Well Chorlton I reread your thread. You go on about less qualified women, when they finish their training in the classroom and out on the road they are deemed qualified as much as any male driver. So I cant see how QR will only be sued in an accident if the people involved found out a less qualified female driver was involved.

The positions called for are in citytrain do you guys know how many drivers are in citytrain? I dont think ten women driver positions are going to make much difference.
"gsxxxr_750"


Who said anything, about when they had finished their training? - You, I think!

And ten people, who just got the job, because of politics - NOT MERIT - is a problem, in my book

As I said - MERIT should be why people get the job - NOT their sex, or the politics of the person doing the employing!

Would you like to go to a doctor, who only got the job, because of their sex, or the doctor who is good at their job?

Just because someone at QR thinks that there should be more women train drivers, doesn't mean that they shouldn't employ the person who can do the job, BEST!
I don't care if the driver of my train home, is a woman or a man - but I do care, if they are only driving my train home, because of someone's politics!
  birdman Locomotive Driver

Location: Caboolture
I don't care if the driver of my train home, is a woman or a man - but I do care, if they are only driving my train home, because of someone's politics!
"chorlton"


Couldn't agree more.
  poss Locomotive Fireman

As a Driver in qr i have seen nothing but problems with female drivers with all the political correctness needed, i would worry if i was working a shift with one and you had a disagreement, things could become nasty.
guilty before proven innocent in qr,s eyes.
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
I don't care if the driver of my train home, is a woman or a man - but I do care, if they are only driving my train home, because of someone's politics!
"chorlton"


Couldn't agree more.
"birdman"


I also agree.  If a female meets the requirements to be a driver and does her job well, then there is no problem.  If a female does not meet the requirements to be a driver and is employed as such purely because she is female and QR want female drivers, then "Control, we have a problem."

Do female applicants have to sit the academic exams and pass the medical exams?

Is the 'pass mark' different for males and females?

I think merit vs politics/gender equity war has the potential to be quite nasty.
  bunker43 Beginner

Hello,
       Just wondering what pay scale applies Train Drivers durning & after training.
  BL2 Chief Train Controller

where does it say the positions are in citytrain?
I must have missed that bit. Smile
  Mark_SA Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
where does it say the positions are in citytrain?
I must have missed that bit. Smile
"BL2"

I was just thinking the same thing! I went back to the site to see if I missed something! When I applied it asked if you are willing to goto any of the 30 odd depots across QLD.

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