Train Map Proposals

 
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Sorry about the first link. This One should work better.

http://imajr.com/Original.aspx?Id=train_map_452028

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  xtrap_heaven Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne's Train Network
Sorry about the first link. This One should work better.

http://imajr.com/Original.aspx?Id=train_map_452028
"samtrezise"


Yes it does. Good Work!
  Metro Transit Minister for Railways

Location: Error.
Looks pretty good, but 2 threads?


Metro II.
  cookie930 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Spencer Street Station (Not SCS)
It not bad but you could add a link from the airport line to the Craigieburn line  and could add Sunshine North, Keilor East and Gowanbrae to it as well. Just a question would the airport line be on the Albion-Jacana goods line then branch off to the airport? I like the idea of the highpoint and Edgewater stations but wouldn't that mean the "highpoint line" would have to have regular services or a shuttle like the Williamstown line? Question
  Alphabet Train Controller

Location: Moonee Ponds
Route wise, this looks pretty good. And good to see that stations such as Campbellfield and Paisley have been included. One question however, samtrezise- do you plan to utilise the Upfield-Somerton link at all? It's not very clear from your map whether it is intended to be utilised or not.


My main grapple with this is your allocation of premium station status.

For example, on the Upfield line, Merlynston and Jewell should in my opinion be the two stations premiumised. Also, you don't appear to have premiumised Upfield station itself. If Upfield is the terminus, it needs to be premium. In fact, it is becoming premium soon anyway, from what I last heard anyway. I see little need for Brunswick station to be manned on even a part-time basis- it is the quietest station between Coburg and Jewell and in any case Moreland or Anstey would be more deserving of at least part-time manning, as they are both far busier.



My other concerns in this regard:

- no premium status for Watsonia, Fairfield, Northcote, Noble Park, Hoppers Crossing, Mentone, Yarravile, Altona, Burnley, Prahran, Balaclava, Chelsea and one of Tooronga or Gardiner.  Some of these (namely Watsonia, Mentone and Burnley) are, like Upfield, slated to become premium soon anyway.


Also just noticed- no station at Hampton Park? Or is your proposed Lyndhurst station in that area? (the old Lyndhurst station/siding is quite some way from Hampton Park the suburb, however)
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Watch out for Riccardo's 287 point plan ANIMATED - coming soon!
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
If you have the map going to Geelong why not have a line to Avalon Airport!
And isn't it great how many fantasy line threads there are now!
It beats commenting on that Dandenong triplication blog.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Route wise, this looks pretty good. And good to see that stations such as Campbellfield and Paisley have been included. One question however, samtrezise- do you plan to utilise the Upfield-Somerton link at all? It's not very clear from your map whether it is intended to be utilised or not.


My main grapple with this is your allocation of premium station status.

For example, on the Upfield line, Merlynston and Jewell should in my opinion be the two stations premiumised. Also, you don't appear to have premiumised Upfield station itself. If Upfield is the terminus, it needs to be premium. In fact, it is becoming premium soon anyway, from what I last heard anyway. I see little need for Brunswick station to be manned on even a part-time basis- it is the quietest station between Coburg and Jewell and in any case Moreland or Anstey would be more deserving of at least part-time manning, as they are both far busier.



My other concerns in this regard:

- no premium status for Watsonia, Fairfield, Northcote, Noble Park, Hoppers Crossing, Mentone, Yarravile, Altona, Burnley, Prahran, Balaclava, Chelsea and one of Tooronga or Gardiner.  Some of these (namely Watsonia, Mentone and Burnley) are, like Upfield, slated to become premium soon anyway.


Also just noticed- no station at Hampton Park? Or is your proposed Lyndhurst station in that area? (the old Lyndhurst station/siding is quite some way from Hampton Park the suburb, however)
"Alphabet"



1. Paisley station  is still in good condition so i thought why not use it and we need a Campellfield station.

2. I,m not sure about the situation in roxbourough park (Somerton) I don't come from that part of melbourne so i'm purely guessing from maps and wikipedia.

3. Again, when you don't come from areas you it's hard to find patronage statistics so i wouldn't know what stations to upgrade. But thanks for your suggestions.

4. Despite Lyndhurst and Lynbrook stations only going to be about 1km away from each other. People in the new estates on the west side can't access lynbrook station easily. And lyndhurst is already built just not in use anymore.

5. As for hampton park. They may use either Hallam or lyndhurst but the 2 lines just don't go close enough to the actual suburb.

Thanks for your comments.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Oh. I forgot to mention that I'm 13. Please take that into consideration before commenting
  Michaelje Chief Commissioner

Route wise, this looks pretty good. And good to see that stations such as Campbellfield and Paisley have been included. One question however, samtrezise- do you plan to utilise the Upfield-Somerton link at all? It's not very clear from your map whether it is intended to be utilised or not.


My main grapple with this is your allocation of premium station status.

For example, on the Upfield line, Merlynston and Jewell should in my opinion be the two stations premiumised. Also, you don't appear to have premiumised Upfield station itself. If Upfield is the terminus, it needs to be premium. In fact, it is becoming premium soon anyway, from what I last heard anyway. I see little need for Brunswick station to be manned on even a part-time basis- it is the quietest station between Coburg and Jewell and in any case Moreland or Anstey would be more deserving of at least part-time manning, as they are both far busier.



My other concerns in this regard:

- no premium status for Watsonia, Fairfield, Northcote, Noble Park, Hoppers Crossing, Mentone, Yarravile, Altona, Burnley, Prahran, Balaclava, Chelsea and one of Tooronga or Gardiner.  Some of these (namely Watsonia, Mentone and Burnley) are, like Upfield, slated to become premium soon anyway.


Also just noticed- no station at Hampton Park? Or is your proposed Lyndhurst station in that area? (the old Lyndhurst station/siding is quite some way from Hampton Park the suburb, however)
"Alphabet"


a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
b) Altona should not be premium - its a tiny little fart of a station. I should know, I lived in Altona for 25 years.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne

a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
b) Altona should not be premium - its a tiny little fart of a station. I should know, I lived in Altona for 25 years.
"Michaelje"


1. it is near the large and popular Pailey Park.

2. There are many houses to the north of the station.

3. It is still in good condition so it wouldn't cost much to reopen.
  Metro Transit Minister for Railways

Location: Error.
Altona should not be premium - its a tiny little fart of a station.
"Michaelje"

I reckon it should, i mean look at how far the next Premium station is, how many would want to go all the way to either Newport or Laverton just for something they cant get at Altona.

Given that Altona is very central to the main street is another reason to make it a premium station, or at least make it a host station.


Metro II.
  phin Station Master

I think one of the long term challenges for the Melbourne rail system is to get beyond being a radial suburban network with low frequencies vis-a-vis a metro system (but reasonably high frequencies compared with international commuter rail). That means running higher frequency services (minimum 10 minutes off peak), and creating better opportunities for cross-town travel. This is why extending the Alamein line to Chadstone, Oakleigh, Monash and beyond to Rowville should be such a priority.

I drew up a 5 year plan for what I think the system needs medium term - you can view it at http://melbpt.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/melbourne-rail-system-5-year-plan//url
  Alphabet Train Controller

Location: Moonee Ponds
Route wise, this looks pretty good. And good to see that stations such as Campbellfield and Paisley have been included. One question however, samtrezise- do you plan to utilise the Upfield-Somerton link at all? It's not very clear from your map whether it is intended to be utilised or not.


My main grapple with this is your allocation of premium station status.

For example, on the Upfield line, Merlynston and Jewell should in my opinion be the two stations premiumised. Also, you don't appear to have premiumised Upfield station itself. If Upfield is the terminus, it needs to be premium. In fact, it is becoming premium soon anyway, from what I last heard anyway. I see little need for Brunswick station to be manned on even a part-time basis- it is the quietest station between Coburg and Jewell and in any case Moreland or Anstey would be more deserving of at least part-time manning, as they are both far busier.



My other concerns in this regard:

- no premium status for Watsonia, Fairfield, Northcote, Noble Park, Hoppers Crossing, Mentone, Yarravile, Altona, Burnley, Prahran, Balaclava, Chelsea and one of Tooronga or Gardiner.  Some of these (namely Watsonia, Mentone and Burnley) are, like Upfield, slated to become premium soon anyway.


Also just noticed- no station at Hampton Park? Or is your proposed Lyndhurst station in that area? (the old Lyndhurst station/siding is quite some way from Hampton Park the suburb, however)
"Alphabet"


a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
b) Altona should not be premium - its a tiny little fart of a station. I should know, I lived in Altona for 25 years.
"Michaelje"


Nothing even there? Paisley is practically right in the middle of Altona North. A re-opened Paisley would not only serve the whole suburb of Altona North, it could also have use as a Park'n' Ride station.

And also disagree about Altona- it may be a "tiny little fart of a station" in the sense that it has a single platform, but it's patronage at all times of the day is now very reasonable, and in peaks very high. It's patronage would be higher than Westona and Seaholme combined. So if not full premium status, it should at least have some part-time manning.
  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Friendly note to samtrezise. If you make a mistake with posting a link, you can edit the link at any time.

Just click post then edit

There's no need to start another thread Wink
  Hitachi_Man Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne.
a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
"Michaelje"
Altona North (Paisley) has a large park and ride, if you saw this station reopened it is likely that this would be filled every day...
b) Altona should not be premium - its a tiny little fart of a station. I should know, I lived in Altona for 25 years.
"Michaelje"
Altona is a busy station that should've been made premium along time ago. Hoppers Crossing as well.
  EvanC Chief Plonker

Location: Bayswater, Victoria
a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
"Michaelje"
Altona North (Paisley) has a large park and ride, if you saw this station reopened it is likely that this would be filled every day...
"Hitachi_Man"
Though with the current bus services there, you're lucky if you see a handful of cars parked there!
  Alphabet Train Controller

Location: Moonee Ponds
a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
"Michaelje"
Altona North (Paisley) has a large park and ride, if you saw this station reopened it is likely that this would be filled every day...
"Hitachi_Man"
Though with the current bus services there, you're lucky if you see a handful of cars parked there!
"EvanC"
That's because the bus takes too long to get to the city from there. It's quicker at the moment to drive to any of the train stations around there, park, and get the train.
  EvanC Chief Plonker

Location: Bayswater, Victoria
a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
"Michaelje"
Altona North (Paisley) has a large park and ride, if you saw this station reopened it is likely that this would be filled every day...
"Hitachi_Man"
Though with the current bus services there, you're lucky if you see a handful of cars parked there!
"EvanC"
That's because the bus takes too long to get to the city from there. It's quicker at the moment to drive to any of the train stations around there, park, and get the train.
"Alphabet"
Yes, exactly. It's really not very far (only a couple of KM from Seaholme; a few minutes by car!)
  Alphabet Train Controller

Location: Moonee Ponds
a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
"Michaelje"
Altona North (Paisley) has a large park and ride, if you saw this station reopened it is likely that this would be filled every day...
"Hitachi_Man"
Though with the current bus services there, you're lucky if you see a handful of cars parked there!
"EvanC"
That's because the bus takes too long to get to the city from there. It's quicker at the moment to drive to any of the train stations around there, park, and get the train.
"Alphabet"
Yes, exactly. It's really not very far (only a couple of KM from Seaholme; a few minutes by car!)
"EvanC"
Yes, from Paisley station to Seaholme station would be a little less than 3 kilometres I would think, straight down Millers Road.

However, they are far enough apart to discourage most walk up patroage at Seaholme from Altona North residents. It is a walk of at least 30 minutes from Seaholme to Paisley. So therefore, Altona North should have its own station, and of course that station should be Paisley.

Of course, without the splitting of the Werribee line into a two-tier service, this isn't really possible.
  joffie Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
You know its actually quite good for a 13 year old to make a map like this, compared to the many spammers around his age group.

Keep up the good work.
  Hitachi_Man Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne.
a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
"Michaelje"
Altona North (Paisley) has a large park and ride, if you saw this station reopened it is likely that this would be filled every day...
"Hitachi_Man"
Though with the current bus services there, you're lucky if you see a handful of cars parked there!
"EvanC"
That's because the bus takes too long to get to the city from there. It's quicker at the moment to drive to any of the train stations around there, park, and get the train.
"Alphabet"
Yes, exactly. It's really not very far (only a couple of KM from Seaholme; a few minutes by car!)
"EvanC"
The route 232 bus is actually a fairly quick service. I'd use it if I lived in that area.
  Alphabet Train Controller

Location: Moonee Ponds
a) god knows why you would reopen Paisley - there is nothing there even now
"Michaelje"
Altona North (Paisley) has a large park and ride, if you saw this station reopened it is likely that this would be filled every day...
"Hitachi_Man"
Though with the current bus services there, you're lucky if you see a handful of cars parked there!
"EvanC"
That's because the bus takes too long to get to the city from there. It's quicker at the moment to drive to any of the train stations around there, park, and get the train.
"Alphabet"
Yes, exactly. It's really not very far (only a couple of KM from Seaholme; a few minutes by car!)
"EvanC"
The route 232 bus is actually a fairly quick service. I'd use it if I lived in that area.
"Hitachi_Man"
The main problem with it, however, is that on weekdays it doesn't run after about 9pm. As for Saturdays, it runs on a half-hourly frequency with the last service into the city as early as 5:27pm. Sundays it runs once an hour, with the last departure from Altona North at 5pm.

This isn't really an adequate replacement for a train service.
  Hitachi_Man Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne.
The main problem with it, however, is that on weekdays it doesn't run after about 9pm. As for Saturdays, it runs on a half-hourly frequency with the last service into the city as early as 5:27pm. Sundays it runs once an hour, with the last departure from Altona North at 5pm.

This isn't really an adequate replacement for a train service.
"Alphabet"
Yeah, I can see a problem with that.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
You know its actually quite good for a 13 year old to make a map like this, compared to the many spammers around his age group.

Keep up the good work.
"joffie"


Thanks. I worked very hard on this map.

And can we get the forum away from altona and Paisley. You can start a new forum about that. This should be about my map or one of your maps.

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