Narre Warren Carpark

 
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
With the lack of car spaces available during weekdays at Narre Warren I am baffled at why they haven't built a car park on the south side of the railway line in the now vacant land (the photo is a year old.) Not only would this slightly ease congestion but it would stop some people who are catching the train from Narre Warren South having to cross the level crossing.

This is an image of where the car park should be.

http://imajr.com/Original.aspx?Id=nwcp-635427

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  fogcv Chief Train Controller

Location: Platform 11 Flinders Street
With the lack of car spaces available during weekdays at Narre Warren I am baffled at why they haven't built a car park on the south side of the railway line in the now vacant land (the photo is a year old.) Not only would this slightly ease congestion but it would stop some people who are catching the train from Narre Warren South having to cross the level crossing.

This is an image of where the car park should be.

http://imajr.com/Original.aspx?Id=nwcp-635427
"samtrezise"


1. Look up Narre Warren South here ...

http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/electorateswing.html

2. Not enough room on the trains for more commuters in peak periods esp. from this far out of town.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
That's listed as Public Use Zone - Local Government

Do you know what it is used for?
  ian cook Some railfan on the Pakky Line

At the moment nothing. They have put a fence fence around to stop people from parking there.
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
The site would be better used for a four or five storey apartment block rather than even more car parking.
  lunacyfringe Train Controller

Location: Now arriving at... Kensington.
When I am sitting at Nazza Wazza waiting for my 8.05 express express express to the city watching people circle around for parking i think that it would be better as parking, not apartments
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
When I am sitting at Nazza Wazza waiting for my 8.05 express express express to the city watching people circle around for parking i think that it would be better as parking, not apartments
"lunacyfringe"

Do you seriously think it would be better used to hold empty cars for 8 to 10 hours a day?

Do you seriously think it would be better used lying empty at night?

The full car parks at Narre Warren are not a new thing, even prior to the expansion of Zone 2 it was full to capacity on a regular basis. The change of zones changed that from regular to permanent.

There are countless alternatives to driving your car to a railway station: get dropped off, catch a bus, ride a bike, walk and so on and so forth.

I think it would be much better used to provide housing for commuters, low-income earners who cannot afford a car, the disabled, students etc.

I think it would help the retail precinct at Webb Street and surrounds much more to have more people living in and around the railway station and activity centre, rather than devoting that space to commuter car parking.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne


1. Look up Narre Warren South here ...

http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/electorateswing.html

2. Not enough room on the trains for more commuters in peak periods esp. from this far out of town.
"fogcv"


1. I don't understand how an electoral swing is relevant

2. Thats because we need more trains. And its not that far out of town. Pakenham is the current metropolitan boundary
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
The site would be better used for a four or five storey apartment block rather than even more car parking.
"PalmerEldritch"


Are you serious. You'd build an apartment block in Narre Warren. And what do you mean by even more parking. At the moment there is no where near enough parking and your saying even more as if their is currently to much.
  jfan Chief Train Controller

The site would be better used for a four or five storey apartment block rather than even more car parking.
"PalmerEldritch"


Are you serious. You'd build an apartment block in Narre Warren. And what do you mean by even more parking. At the moment there is no where near enough parking and your saying even more as if their is currently to much.
"samtrezise"


I think PE is saying that people should not be "encouraged" to drive to the station by providing car parks that have a high cost/low benefit in the grand scheme of things (only used for the daytime, 5 days a week). The government should encourage using PT for the whole trip to work, not to "park and ride." This can only happen when there are frequent bus services (or secure bike storage facilities, etc) to allow people to get to/from the station when they want, both during and outside the peaks.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
When I am sitting at Nazza Wazza waiting for my 8.05 express express express to the city watching people circle around for parking i think that it would be better as parking, not apartments
"lunacyfringe"

Do you seriously think it would be better used to hold empty cars for 8 to 10 hours a day?

Do you seriously think it would be better used lying empty at night?

The full car parks at Narre Warren are not a new thing, even prior to the expansion of Zone 2 it was full to capacity on a regular basis. The change of zones changed that from regular to permanent.

There are countless alternatives to driving your car to a railway station: get dropped off, catch a bus, ride a bike, walk and so on and so forth.

I think it would be much better used to provide housing for commuters, low-income earners who cannot afford a car, the disabled, students etc.

I think it would help the retail precinct at Webb Street and surrounds much more to have more people living in and around the railway station and activity centre, rather than devoting that space to commuter car parking.
"PalmerEldritch"


Empty Cars. Thats what we call a car park. And empty at night. The fact is currently its empty at night and empty during the day as well anyway.

Yes. The car park at Narre Warren has being full for a long time. It started getting more crowded in 1995 when they relocated the station to the other side of the road. The made a mistake then by demolishing the original car park which ended up being rebuilt in 1999.

Your alternatives of getting dropped off, catching a bus, riding a bike or  walking are not convenient.

1. Some people don't have other people to drop them off.

2. The buses in "Casey" (Narre Warren area) are infrequent, indirect and don't connect to train timetables.

3. Riding a bike used to be on of the best options but is now baned during peak hour and their are very few functioning bike lockers at Narre Warren another topic which needs to be looked at.

4. Walking is also a good option but it is to far for most people. Personally I often walk to the station, but it is around 3-4 km. Most the houses in Narre Warren are located on the North side of the Hallam Bypass (Monash Freeway)  and the main residential developments in Narre Warren South are also a fair distance from the station. You also have problems with weather ie: Rain or severe heat. Another thing (this applies to bikes aswell) is their are many major roads you have to cross. Almost everyone  who lives in Narre Warren would have to cross the Princess Highway at some time and other major roads like Narre Warren North Road, Magid Drive and other smaller roads around the Fountain Gate area all need to be crossed at some time.

5. And what do you mean by so on and so forth. I am almost certain that they are the only alternative methods to taking a car.

Couldn't low-income earners who cannot afford a car, the disabled, students etc use your other methods of getting to the station. Our couldn't they because of all the inconveniences i just stated.

The retail precinct at Webb Street and surrounds doesn't suffer much competition. The main competition is between different stores within the street. Fountain Gate Shopping Centre sells different things to Webb Street. Webb Street is made up of take away stores and Real estate agents. If you built an apartment block on the vacant land most of those people would use Fountain Gate for most of their shopping and would get small things and takeaway from the local IGA and takeaway stores.

Look I might just be a 13 year old kid but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work this out.

Vacant, Disused land. Not enough car parks.

And one last thing. I'm relatively new to Railpage so could someone tell me how to put more than one persons quote in a single post.  Thanks
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
The site would be better used for a four or five storey apartment block rather than even more car parking.
"PalmerEldritch"


Are you serious. You'd build an apartment block in Narre Warren. And what do you mean by even more parking. At the moment there is no where near enough parking and your saying even more as if their is currently to much.
"samtrezise"


I think PE is saying that people should not be "encouraged" to drive to the station by providing car parks that have a high cost/low benefit in the grand scheme of things (only used for the daytime, 5 days a week). The government should encourage using PT for the whole trip to work, not to "park and ride." This can only happen when there are frequent bus services (or secure bike storage facilities, etc) to allow people to get to/from the station when they want, both during and outside the peaks.
"jfan"


I in no way encourage taking a car to the station. But like i said in my last post, the other options are quite inconvenient. It is unlikely that these services like buses and bike lockers are going to be improved, so this means people are going to continue using their cars. Therefore this car park needs to be built.
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
whats wrong with taking a car to the station ?

You can only ever use PT for the journeys that suit your ( travellers) purpose.. all others essentially require private transport in this country and that situation isnt going to change overnight or anytime soon; just reality
  fogcv Chief Train Controller

Location: Platform 11 Flinders Street


1. Look up Narre Warren South here ...

http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/electorateswing.html

2. Not enough room on the trains for more commuters in peak periods esp. from this far out of town.
"fogcv"


1. I don't understand how an electoral swing is relevant

2. Thats because we need more trains. And its not that far out of town. Pakenham is the current metropolitan boundary
"samtrezise"


1. [politician speaking]No votes needed in Narre Warren South (or Narre Warren North) because they are not marginal seats therefore no more car parks for Narre Warren.[/politician speaking] "Need" and "Understanding" has little to do with it I am afraid.

2. Need trains AND pathways to run them on. By town, I meant Melbourne CBD, that place that all of the trains go to so it must be important.

The site would be better used for a four or five storey apartment block rather than even more car parking.
"PalmerEldritch"


Are you serious. You'd build an apartment block in Narre Warren. And what do you mean by even more parking. At the moment there is no where near enough parking and your saying even more as if their is currently to much.
"samtrezise"


I'd build some nice shops, a post office and a bank at Narre Warren just like stations precincts used to be in the olden days. Make it a pedestrian only precinct and add some cafes. Convert Fountain Gate to apartments and run a FREE shuttle bus between the two. Convert station carpark to 2 hour parking. "Park and Ride" moves to Fountain Gate where land is less valuable. Simple.


Look I might just be a 13 year old kid but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work this out.

Vacant, Disused land. Not enough car parks.
"samtrezise"


Just built two giant "moving car parks" in the guise of the Pakenham Bypass and Monash Freeway Widening projects at HUGE cost and now you say you want car parks with that?

"I'd like to help you son but you're too young to vote."


And one last thing. I'm relatively new to Railpage Australia™ so could someone tell me how to put more than one persons quote in a single post.
Thanks
"samtrezise"


Open different posts in different widows/tabs and copy and paste between windows/tabs. Rocket Science 101.
  jfan Chief Train Controller

You can only ever use PT for the journeys that suit your ( travellers) purpose.. all others essentially require private transport in this country and that situation isnt going to change overnight or anytime soon; just reality
"SPSD40T2"


I in no way encourage taking a car to the station. But like i said in my last post, the other options are quite inconvenient. It is unlikely that these services like buses and bike lockers are going to be improved, so this means people are going to continue using their cars. Therefore this car park needs to be built.
"samtrezise"


That's the problem, SPSD40T2. To paraphrase a well known shampoo ad, It isn't going to improve overnight, but it will happen IF they (DOI, Transport Minister, Premier, etc) want it to happen. How do they know that people want it to happen?

First step would be to participate (and get as many people as possible to participate) in the  Service Reviews. It's an "in" into the process that will hopefully get changes to benefit everyone. It's far better to have tried and failed rather than not tried at all.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
I'd build some nice shops, a post office and a bank at Narre Warren just like stations precincts used to be in the olden days. Make it a pedestrian only precinct and add some cafes. Convert Fountain Gate to apartments and run a FREE shuttle bus between the two. Convert station carpark to 2 hour parking. "Park and Ride" moves to Fountain Gate where land is less valuable. Simple.
"fogcv"


Making Webb Street a "Pedestrian only precinct" is not a bad idea. Do you mean like the ones in St. Kilda and Southbank (near Crown Casino.) But are you saying that you would turn the whole of Fountain Gate shopping centre into apartments. Where would we shop? Fountain gate is so big and has so many shops a conversion wouldn't be worth the money that could be better spent on more trains, car parks or bike lockers. The idea of a free shuttle services isn't bad, but i also had an idea of a tram (light rail) line around Fountain Gate and Webb street much the same as melbournes City Circle.

Open different posts in different widows/tabs and copy and paste between windows/tabs. Rocket Science 101.
"fogcv"


And thanks for that tip.
  73LJWhiteSL Deputy Commissioner

Location: South East Melbourne Surburbs
I thought that area was privately owned?

Making webstreet a pedestrian only area would make it a nighmare for parking. You turn that into no cars allowed, where are the cars ment to park?

Steve
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
Are you serious. You'd build an apartment block in Narre Warren. .
"samtrezise"

Yes I am serious. I would not personally build an apartment block in Narre Warren as I don't have the money to do so, but if I was an urban planner in the City of Casey I would look favourably on a proposal to build one on this particular site.

But hey, if my proposal is so outlandish, what would you say to the crack-smokers who are willing to invest $90 million behind this proposal?


http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11678-0-asc-s570.htm

And what do you mean by even more parking. At the moment there is no where near enough parking and your saying even more as if their is currently to much
"samtrezise"


By "even more" parking, I am talking about the sea of car parks in the Narre Warren Major Activity Centre, including those at the railway station, the Webb Street retail precinct, Fountain Gate Shopping Centre and the Narre Warren Homemaker Centre.

So yes, on that basis there is too much car parking in Narre Warren.


When I am sitting at Nazza Wazza waiting for my 8.05 express express express to the city watching people circle around for parking i think that it would be better as parking, not apartments
"lunacyfringe"

Do you seriously think it would be better used to hold empty cars for 8 to 10 hours a day?

Do you seriously think it would be better used lying empty at night?

The full car parks at Narre Warren are not a new thing, even prior to the expansion of Zone 2 it was full to capacity on a regular basis. The change of zones changed that from regular to permanent.

There are countless alternatives to driving your car to a railway station: get dropped off, catch a bus, ride a bike, walk and so on and so forth.

I think it would be much better used to provide housing for commuters, low-income earners who cannot afford a car, the disabled, students etc.

I think it would help the retail precinct at Webb Street and surrounds much more to have more people living in and around the railway station and activity centre, rather than devoting that space to commuter car parking.
"PalmerEldritch"


Empty Cars. Thats what we call a car park. And empty at night. The fact is currently its empty at night and empty during the day as well anyway.
"samtrezise"

A car park is a waste of space regardless of whether it is day or night, or full or empty.

The fact is it is empty of people for about 95% of the day. I'd rather the site be used to house people than park cars.

Yes. The car park at Narre Warren has being full for a long time. It started getting more crowded in 1995 when they relocated the station to the other side of the road. The made a mistake then by demolishing the original car park which ended up being rebuilt in 1999.
"samtrezise"
Narre Warren hasn't been full for that long, I remember only a few years back it was quite easy to rock up at 10am and there would still be plenty of car parking in the car park on the west side of Webb Street.

Times have changed and building more car parking is not going to solve anything. Demand will outstrip supply.

Your alternatives of getting dropped off, catching a bus, riding a bike or walking are not convenient.
"samtrezise"

Depends how close you live to a railway station.

1. Some people don't have other people to drop them off.
"samtrezise"

Bad luck, catch a bus there, catch a taxi, ride a bike or walk.

2. The buses in "Casey" (Narre Warren area) are infrequent, indirect and don't connect to train timetables.
"samtrezise"

The buses are like this because people don't use them. If people used them the bus companies would provide better services.

3. Riding a bike used to be on of the best options but is now baned during peak hour and their are very few functioning bike lockers at Narre Warren another topic which needs to be looked at.
"samtrezise"

You get what you pay for. If there is a demand from people wanting to park their bikes at a railway station, maybe they should start paying for it. This might, you know, fund the cost of putting in bike lockers.

4. Walking is also a good option but it is to far for most people. Personally I often walk to the station, but it is around 3-4 km.
"samtrezise"
Which is only around 40 minutes, I used to walk to Hallam station over a similar distance on a regular basis.

Most the houses in Narre Warren are located on the North side of the Hallam Bypass (Monash Freeway) and the main residential developments in Narre Warren South are also a fair distance from the station.
"samtrezise"
There are numerous bus routes that pass by Narre Warren station from most of the nearby suburbs, pick one and patronise it.

You also have problems with weather ie: Rain or severe heat.
"samtrezise"

These are not year-round phenomena, wear a hat, and sunscreen, and clothes when its hot, and carry an umbrella and wear a raincoat if its raining.

People in Narre Warren like Corey Worthington (or Delaney whatever his name is on his Centrelink form this fortnight) who walk around topless, wearing bed sheets over their legs, and whose only acknowledgement of the heat are a pair of oversized sunglasses, are plain stupid.

Another thing (this applies to bikes aswell) is their are many major roads you have to cross. Almost everyone who lives in Narre Warren would have to cross the Princess Highway at some time and other major roads like Narre Warren North Road, Magid Drive and other smaller roads around the Fountain Gate area all need to be crossed at some time.
"samtrezise"

I take it pedestrian crossings and signalised intersections are non-existent?

5. And what do you mean by so on and so forth. I am almost certain that they are the only alternative methods to taking a car.
"samtrezise"

Rollerblade, roller skate, ride a rickshaw. Would you like me to go on?

Couldn't low-income earners who cannot afford a car, the disabled, students etc use your other methods of getting to the station. Our couldn't they because of all the inconveniences i just stated.
"samtrezise"

So what you're saying is, these people don't deserve to live near the railway station, and that space is better used for all the Kath and Kim wannabes in their McMansions in Nazza Wazza Norf and Souf to park their 4WD or hummer in?

The retail precinct at Webb Street and surrounds doesn't suffer much competition. The main competition is between different stores within the street. Fountain Gate Shopping Centre sells different things to Webb Street. Webb Street is made up of take away stores and Real estate agents. If you built an apartment block on the vacant land most of those people would use Fountain Gate for most of their shopping and would get small things and takeaway from the local IGA and takeaway stores.
"samtrezise"

Who cares where these people shop. If there was an apartment block at this site there they wouldn't need to drive a car to shop at Webb Street or Fountain Gate, they are close enough to walk to both, or catch a bus if they really need to, to get to Fountain Gate.

Look I might just be a 13 year old kid but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work this out.
"samtrezise"

OK, my 13 years of school education, two years of TAFE (Building Design), four years of university (Urban Planning), and two years working in a municipal urban planning department don't count for much when compared to your prestigious primary school education.

I will defer to your expert opinion.
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
Are you serious. You'd build an apartment block in Narre Warren. .
"samtrezise"

Sounds like a good idea to me.

The buses are like this because people don't use them. If people used them the bus companies would provide better
services.
"PalmerEldritch"

It's a catch 22 situation - DOI won't fund more buses (apart from the minimum standards upgrades) unless more people start using them, and people won't use services until they are improved. Not winding circuits of side streets like routes in those areas (ie 834/835) Twisted Evil.

Look I might just be a 13 year old kid but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work this out.
"samtrezise"

I'm not a "rocket scientist" but I can figure out your idea is crap, for the reasons posted by Palmer above.

Also, because of your avatar I confuse your posts with xxxlbear's. Could you please make it something more original?
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
It's a catch 22 situation - DOI won't fund more buses (apart from the minimum standards upgrades) unless more people start using them, and people won't use services until they are improved. Not winding circuits of side streets like routes in those areas (ie 834/835) Twisted Evil.
"Somebody in the WWW"

The buses have to deal with not only winding routes but narrow streets and numerous roundabouts. It's a shame that planning regulations weren't as strict about catering for buses in large residential subdvisions such as Narre Warren South a few years back as they are today.

These days, any proposal for a large residential subdivison has to be externally referred by the relevant council to Jim Betts and his crew.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Are you serious. You'd build an apartment block in Narre Warren. .
"samtrezise"

Yes I am serious. I would not personally build an apartment block in Narre Warren as I don't have the money to do so, but if I was an urban planner in the City of Casey I would look favourably on a proposal to build one on this particular site.

But hey, if my proposal is so outlandish, what would you say to the crack-smokers who are willing to invest $90 million behind this proposal?


http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11678-0-asc-s570.htm

And what do you mean by even more parking. At the moment there is no where near enough parking and your saying even more as if their is currently to much
"samtrezise"


By "even more" parking, I am talking about the sea of car parks in the Narre Warren Major Activity Centre, including those at the railway station, the Webb Street retail precinct, Fountain Gate Shopping Centre and the Narre Warren Homemaker Centre.

So yes, on that basis there is too much car parking in Narre Warren.


When I am sitting at Nazza Wazza waiting for my 8.05 express express express to the city watching people circle around for parking i think that it would be better as parking, not apartments
"lunacyfringe"

Do you seriously think it would be better used to hold empty cars for 8 to 10 hours a day?

Do you seriously think it would be better used lying empty at night?

The full car parks at Narre Warren are not a new thing, even prior to the expansion of Zone 2 it was full to capacity on a regular basis. The change of zones changed that from regular to permanent.

There are countless alternatives to driving your car to a railway station: get dropped off, catch a bus, ride a bike, walk and so on and so forth.

I think it would be much better used to provide housing for commuters, low-income earners who cannot afford a car, the disabled, students etc.

I think it would help the retail precinct at Webb Street and surrounds much more to have more people living in and around the railway station and activity centre, rather than devoting that space to commuter car parking.
"PalmerEldritch"


Empty Cars. Thats what we call a car park. And empty at night. The fact is currently its empty at night and empty during the day as well anyway.
"samtrezise"

A car park is a waste of space regardless of whether it is day or night, or full or empty.

The fact is it is empty of people for about 95% of the day. I'd rather the site be used to house people than park cars.

Yes. The car park at Narre Warren has being full for a long time. It started getting more crowded in 1995 when they relocated the station to the other side of the road. The made a mistake then by demolishing the original car park which ended up being rebuilt in 1999.
"samtrezise"
Narre Warren hasn't been full for that long, I remember only a few years back it was quite easy to rock up at 10am and there would still be plenty of car parking in the car park on the west side of Webb Street.

Times have changed and building more car parking is not going to solve anything. Demand will outstrip supply.

Your alternatives of getting dropped off, catching a bus, riding a bike or walking are not convenient.
"samtrezise"

Depends how close you live to a railway station.

1. Some people don't have other people to drop them off.
"samtrezise"

Bad luck, catch a bus there, catch a taxi, ride a bike or walk.

2. The buses in "Casey" (Narre Warren area) are infrequent, indirect and don't connect to train timetables.
"samtrezise"

The buses are like this because people don't use them. If people used them the bus companies would provide better services.

3. Riding a bike used to be on of the best options but is now baned during peak hour and their are very few functioning bike lockers at Narre Warren another topic which needs to be looked at.
"samtrezise"

You get what you pay for. If there is a demand from people wanting to park their bikes at a railway station, maybe they should start paying for it. This might, you know, fund the cost of putting in bike lockers.

4. Walking is also a good option but it is to far for most people. Personally I often walk to the station, but it is around 3-4 km.
"samtrezise"
Which is only around 40 minutes, I used to walk to Hallam station over a similar distance on a regular basis.

Most the houses in Narre Warren are located on the North side of the Hallam Bypass (Monash Freeway) and the main residential developments in Narre Warren South are also a fair distance from the station.
"samtrezise"
There are numerous bus routes that pass by Narre Warren station from most of the nearby suburbs, pick one and patronise it.

You also have problems with weather ie: Rain or severe heat.
"samtrezise"

These are not year-round phenomena, wear a hat, and sunscreen, and clothes when its hot, and carry an umbrella and wear a raincoat if its raining.

People in Narre Warren like Corey Worthington (or Delaney whatever his name is on his Centrelink form this fortnight) who walk around topless, wearing bed sheets over their legs, and whose only acknowledgement of the heat are a pair of oversized sunglasses, are plain stupid.

Another thing (this applies to bikes aswell) is their are many major roads you have to cross. Almost everyone who lives in Narre Warren would have to cross the Princess Highway at some time and other major roads like Narre Warren North Road, Magid Drive and other smaller roads around the Fountain Gate area all need to be crossed at some time.
"samtrezise"

I take it pedestrian crossings and signalised intersections are non-existent?

5. And what do you mean by so on and so forth. I am almost certain that they are the only alternative methods to taking a car.
"samtrezise"

Rollerblade, roller skate, ride a rickshaw. Would you like me to go on?

Couldn't low-income earners who cannot afford a car, the disabled, students etc use your other methods of getting to the station. Our couldn't they because of all the inconveniences i just stated.
"samtrezise"

So what you're saying is, these people don't deserve to live near the railway station, and that space is better used for all the Kath and Kim wannabes in their McMansions in Nazza Wazza Norf and Souf to park their 4WD or hummer in?

The retail precinct at Webb Street and surrounds doesn't suffer much competition. The main competition is between different stores within the street. Fountain Gate Shopping Centre sells different things to Webb Street. Webb Street is made up of take away stores and Real estate agents. If you built an apartment block on the vacant land most of those people would use Fountain Gate for most of their shopping and would get small things and takeaway from the local IGA and takeaway stores.
"samtrezise"

Who cares where these people shop. If there was an apartment block at this site there they wouldn't need to drive a car to shop at Webb Street or Fountain Gate, they are close enough to walk to both, or catch a bus if they really need to, to get to Fountain Gate.

Look I might just be a 13 year old kid but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work this out.
"samtrezise"

OK, my 13 years of school education, two years of TAFE (Building Design), four years of university (Urban Planning), and two years working in a municipal urban planning department don't count for much when compared to your prestigious primary school education.

I will defer to your expert opinion.
"PalmerEldritch"


Firstly, the "Casey Towers Proposal" is not for an appartment block, it's for a hotel. it is also located in what you have called the Narre Warren Major Activity Centre. Within this area there are only 3-4 houses which are located on the Fountain Gate side of Webb street no where near the proposal. Because their are no houses near by you don't have problems with shadow or access. Having people access your proposed development would defeat one of the main benefits I stated in my first post. It would force people to cross the level crossing to access their apartment.

http://imajr.com/Original.aspx?Id=fountain-gate-area-642240

A question for you, Have you ever tried getting a park around Fountain Gate shopping centre at Christmas. If you believe that their are to many parking spaces at Fountain Gate, I highly doubt it.

You say it is empty of people 95% of the day. Again, this is the sole purpose of a car park. A place for cars to park while people catch the train.

Yes, times have changed and building more car parking will not going solve everything but a few extra car spaces will provide a little bit of relief for a handful of commuters.

I never said it was full in '95-'99. I said that was when it started getting more crowded.

Like I said, most people in Narre Warren live north of the Monash Freeway. Agree that if you don't have a car and don't have anyone to drop you off that is bad luck but I personally use the bus very often. It is infrequent and indirect. Often it is late which causes me to miss connecting buses which leaves me stranded for around 50 min. I would be happy to pay for the hire of a bike locker. But when you look at the state of them when your on the station you think otherwise.

Again, I said I often walk to the station which is fine for me and you as presumably we are both fully fit. But what about elderly people, disabled or injured even unfit people. These people could probably no make the distance or if they did it would take to long.

There are currently 4 bus routes that come through the Narre Warren station.

Corey is cool. Haven't you always wanted to wear your little sisters fairy blanket and dye your hair cat pee yellow.

Pedestrian crossings and signalised intersections are not non-existent but have you ever crossed at the main crossing in Webb street near IGA. Many cars speed up and make it hard for you to cross.

Most people can't roller blade/skate well and even if you can where are you meant to store your skates. If you wore a suit to work how stupid would you look wearing knee and elbow guards and a helmet with a backpack on.

And a rickshaw? I looked it up in the dictionary it said a light 2 wheeled hooded vehicle drawn by one or more people, used chiefly in ASIA. Much the same as a Becak. When was the last time you saw a rickshaw driving around Narre Warren for your convenience. Please, thats just being stupid.

Taxi's are an option but are very expensive.

I'm not saying, these people don't deserve to live near the railway station, but your saying it as if their all living on the streets and if we don't build this apartment block there all going to starve and die.

And I'm sick of your antics. Your 13 years of brilliant education is being tested by a 13 years of living child. Would you have known i was a kid until I told you. No. And I think my opinion is just as valued as everyone else's if not more because I give a different perspective to the topics being discussed.
  fogcv Chief Train Controller

Location: Platform 11 Flinders Street
I'd build some nice shops, a post office and a bank at Narre Warren just like stations precincts used to be in the olden days. Make it a pedestrian only precinct and add some cafes. Convert Fountain Gate to apartments and run a FREE shuttle bus between the two. Convert station carpark to 2 hour parking. "Park and Ride" moves to Fountain Gate where land is less valuable. Simple.
"fogcv"


Making Webb Street a "Pedestrian only precinct" is not a bad idea. Do you mean like the ones in St. Kilda and Southbank (near Crown Casino.) But are you saying that you would turn the whole of Fountain Gate shopping centre into apartments. Where would we shop? Fountain gate is so big and has so many shops a conversion wouldn't be worth the money that could be better spent on more trains, car parks or bike lockers.
"samtrezise"


Make Webb Street whatever you want it to be, I don't live there or ever need to go there. Talk to your mayor about it.

Of course you can leave some shops at Fountain Gate. Apartments could go ABOVE Fountain Gate and UP another 10 stories if the market down there will pay the asking price. Development would be by the private sector so there is no cost to the government and they reap stamp duty on the sale of each apartment which is the main reason they like them so much. I was trying to say that I prefer that apartments are a built a short walk away from a station than built right next door to a station. Station precincts should be for trains, people (on foot) and nice useful shops. Real estate agents, undertakers, petrol stations etc. can move to Berwick or Dandenong for all I care. Most people never need their services that often in their lifetime, especially if you put in a nice train service.


The idea of a free shuttle services isn't bad, but i also had an idea of a tram (light rail) line around Fountain Gate and Webb street much the same as melbournes City Circle.
"samtrezise"


Start with a bus and when you start to get capacity problems let's talk again.

Most people are going to be driving cars down that way for some time yet, I'm afraid. Also, I'd like to see some more trains happening down that way before looking at trams. There are a few tram routes that already need a bit of attention that are well head of Narre Warren in the tram queue.
  samtrezise Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Just found this old Railpage thread. Interesting reading

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t2211.htm
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
A question for you, Have you ever tried getting a park around Fountain Gate shopping centre at Christmas. If you believe that their are to many parking spaces at Fountain Gate, I highly doubt it.
"samtrezise"

Righto?  That's peak season for car park usage - invalid comparison

You say it is empty of people 95% of the day. Again, this is the sole purpose of a car park. A place for cars to park while people catch the train.
"samtrezise"

And you think this is a productive use of land?

Again, I said I often walk to the station which is fine for me and you as presumably we are both fully fit. But what about elderly people, disabled or injured even unfit people. These people could probably no make the distance or if they did it would take to long
"samtrezise"

It is misleading to use minority groups to try and enhance your argument

If you did a survey of the owners of the cars parked in NazzWazza, this group would be fairly low


Your argument that the bus is smeg, therefore we must expand the car park, makes no sense.

The obvious conclusion, is that we instead upgrade the bus services
  PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton
Firstly, the "Casey Towers Proposal" is not for an appartment block, it's for a hotel.
"samtrezise"

Same difference, they are both high rise proposals, a hotel is the commercial equivalent of an apartment.

Because their are no houses near by you don't have problems with shadow or access.
"samtrezise"

So what if there are houses near that block of land next to Narre Warren station? The site is highly accessible, as it is bounded by roads on three sides and a railway station and railway line on the other. Overshadowing can be overcome by setting back the upper levels of the building from the street.

Having people access your proposed development would defeat one of the main benefits I stated in my first post. It would force people to cross the level crossing to access their apartment.
"samtrezise"

So having people being able to access a site is not a benefit is it? Oh I forgot, the empty cars are more important. People cross the Webb Street level crossing regardless of what is or isn't there at the moment, they are already forced to do so, and an apartment building isn't going to make a difference in that regard.

A question for you, Have you ever tried getting a park around Fountain Gate shopping centre at Christmas. If you believe that their are to many parking spaces at Fountain Gate, I highly doubt it.
"samtrezise"

I live in Hampton Park, so Fountain Gate is my closest large shopping centre. I have driven there to shop on numerous occasions all year round to shop, including at Christmas. I have never had a problem finding parking there. In fact, finding parking at Fountain Gate at Christmas time is easy compared to Chadstone for instance.

I couldn't care less whether or not you doubt that I believe there are too many parking spaces at Fountain Gate, fact is, most of the year there are way too many. Picking a high-peak time like Christmas does little for your argument.

Yes, times have changed and building more car parking will not going solve everything but a few extra car spaces will provide a little bit of relief for a handful of commuters.
"samtrezise"

That "little bit of relief for a handful of commuters" costs around $10,000 a space. Do you think they will be paying for it?

I never said it was full in '95-'99. I said that was when it started getting more crowded.
"samtrezise"
You said it has been full for a long time. If it has, specify when this occurred. It can't be that long ago, because I remember as recently as 4 years ago it was still possible to rock up at 10am and get a parking space.

but I personally use the bus very often. It is infrequent and indirect. Often it is late which causes me to miss connecting buses which leaves me stranded for around 50 min.
"samtrezise"

Having a bus is better than having nothing at all. They are not taxis or cars, they cannot be direct just for your benefit, the bus companies have to consider the whole community when deciding on a route.

I would be happy to pay for the hire of a bike locker. But when you look at the state of them when your on the station you think otherwise.
"samtrezise"

This is a statement, not a fact. What is it about the state of them that makes you think otherwise?

Again, I said I often walk to the station which is fine for me and you as presumably we are both fully fit. But what about elderly people, disabled or injured even unfit people. These people could probably no make the distance or if they did it would take to long.
"samtrezise"

You are having your cake and eating it too. On one hand you don't want this site used for an apartment building that could potentially house the elderly, disabled or injured, and on the other you are saying that these people can't walk to the station. So what is it going to be?

There are currently 4 bus routes that come through the Narre Warren station.
"samtrezise"

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Corey is cool. Haven't you always wanted to wear your little sisters fairy blanket and dye your hair cat pee yellow.
"samtrezise"

You think Corey is cool do you? Would you think it cool if what happened in his street happened in yours? Would you think it cool if your father felt compelled to stand at the front door with a cricket bat because 500 youths are smashing cars, letterboxes etc?

Pedestrian crossings and signalised intersections are not non-existent but have you ever crossed at the main crossing in Webb street near IGA. Many cars speed up and make it hard for you to cross.
"samtrezise"

If you are crossing at a signalised pedestrian crossing with the green man, or a zebra crossing, it is against the law for cars to not give you way. Only an idiot would speed up while a pedestrian is walking through one of these crossings.

Most people can't roller blade/skate well and even if you can where are you meant to store your skates. If you wore a suit to work how stupid would you look wearing knee and elbow guards and a helmet with a backpack on.
"samtrezise"

Women in office jobs wear runners rather than heels sometimes despite it looking somewhat stupid. Many people work office jobs, and ride a bike wearing cycling gear, and then change into a suit when they get to work.

It is not inconceivable that someone might do the same with roller skates or blades.

And a rickshaw? I looked it up in the dictionary it said a light 2 wheeled hooded vehicle drawn by one or more people, used chiefly in ASIA. Much the same as a Becak. When was the last time you saw a rickshaw driving around Narre Warren for your convenience. Please, thats just being stupid.
"samtrezise"
I was being sarcastic, but making a point that there are many ways to convey oneself from Point A to Point B. A car is not the only option to get yourself to a station.

Taxi's are an option but are very expensive.
"samtrezise"

Not if you are travelling from your house to a station in the same suburb. They are more expensive than other options, but not very expensive.

I'm not saying, these people don't deserve to live near the railway station, but your saying it as if their all living on the streets and if we don't build this apartment block there all going to starve and die.
"samtrezise"

I never said such a thing.

And I'm sick of your antics.
"samtrezise"

Nice dummyspit. What antics are you talking about? Remember, made up ones don't count.

As for you, it is not good net etiquette to drag threads that are months or even years old back from the dead, just to post inane one or two line posts that may or may not be relevant to the original thread.

But I suppose RP regulars like myself are used to this sort of nonsense whenever school holidays come around.

Your 13 years of brilliant education is being tested by a 13 years of living child.
"samtrezise"

You flatter yourself to think you are testing me. You did not even read what I wrote properly. 13 years of school education, 2 years of TAFE, 4 years of Uni. That adds up to 19 years of education.

Would you have known i was a kid until I told you. No.
"samtrezise"

I initially responded to a post by lunacyfringe. You brought yourself to my attention. I responded in a civilised fashion and countered your arguments. You were not satisfied with my response and proceeded with your argument.

You are the one that brought age into this thread. You should not expect any sympathy because of it. I reserve the right to point out what is wrong with your argument whether you are 13 or 93.

And I think my opinion is just as valued as everyone else's if not more because I give a different perspective to the topics being discussed.
"samtrezise"

No one has disputed that. Once again you are attributing something that you think to other people.

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