Researching Previous Blue Mountains Electric Train Crashes

 
  Comeng Chief Train Controller

I am currently doing research into various things on electric trains.

I am interested in hearing from anybody who has photos of the aftermath and clean up operation of the following train crashes involving V set cars.

I would like to view photos and, if possible, obtain copies of the photos (yes I will pay for copies) from anybody willing to assist.

The accident details are as follows:


DCM 8027

Collided with track machine/ pettibone tractor under/in the vicinity of Macquarie Rd overpass in 15th September 1987.

DIM 8048

Derailed by vandals placing rocks on the track just west of Springwood, causing the leading two cars to end up in a local residents front yard on Macquarie Rd, Springwood on 29th September 1987.

DJM 8107

Ran up the back of a coal train at Lawson in the Up refuge on 21st November 1989, causing major front end damage to the power car.

DIM 8037

Derailed and collided with rock wall at Katoomba on 26th January 1990 causing extensive damage to the power car.

If anybody can assist with photos or can point me in the right direction to someone who has photos of these accidents, I would be pleased to hear from you!

Thanks in advance to anybody can assist me with my interest in these accidents!

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  greenkayaker Minister for Railways

Location: Lithgovian Media Centre
What's the research for?

Depending on what you are doing, I 'may' be able to help.
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Are you not after 2 other accidents:

- January 16, 1976: Goods train ploughs into the back of a stalled passenger train at Glenbrook, NSW. One killed, 10 injured.

- December 2, 1999: Six passengers killed and 51 injured when a commuter train slams into the back of the Indian Pacific near Glenbrook Station in the NSW Blue Mountains.

(no, I don't have any details)
  trendy Junior Train Controller

Location: Bondi Junction

- January 16, 1976: Goods train ploughs into the back of a stalled passenger train at Glenbrook, NSW. One killed, 10 injured.

(no, I don't have any details)
"johnboy"


I remember seeing this on the 6.30 news way back then. They had removed one of the damaged carriages already, but showed the other car that couldn't be moved by rail being rolled down the side of the embankment / mountain. Not sure how far it went down, but I remember it totalling a few trees on the way.

Can't remember how they recovered the carriage though. Was it by helicopter? I assume the location would have been pretty inaccessible.
  nosecone Chief Commissioner

I remember seeing this on the 6.30 news way back then. They had removed one of the damaged carriages already, but showed the other car that couldn't be moved by rail being rolled down the side of the embankment / mountain. Not sure how far it went down, but I remember it totalling a few trees on the way.

Can't remember how they recovered the carriage though. Was it by helicopter? I assume the location would have been pretty inaccessible.
"trendy"


I saw it on the news too; the footage showed it wiping out massive trees on the way down.  It ended up at the bottom of the valley ... I hiked down to it afterwards, on the following weekend.  I have colour slides of the wreckage somewhere.

The PTC left it there but ater a few months (?) the NP&WS demanded that it be gone. So the Army was brought in to lift it by Chinook.  That was on the news too.
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong


Can't remember how they recovered the carriage though. Was it by helicopter? I assume the location would have been pretty inaccessible.
"trendy"


That's correct. They rolled it off the track into Glenbrook Creek from just west of the tunnel.

The RAAF used a Chinook to recover it and took it to Valley Heights.... in bits. I thought I had same old photos of the recovery somewhere....I will keep searching.
  trendy Junior Train Controller

Location: Bondi Junction

I saw it on the news too; the footage showed it wiping out massive trees on the way down.  It ended up at the bottom of the valley ... I hiked down to it afterwards, on the following weekend.  I have colour slides of the wreckage somewhere.

The PTC left it there but ater a few months (?) the NP&WS demanded that it be gone. So the Army was brought in to lift it by Chinook.  That was on the news too.
"nosecone"


Somehow we've got to get hold of this footage. Hopefully it has been archived. We just need someone with contacts who can get it for us. I'll give it a go. I know someone at the ABC.
  Comeng Chief Train Controller

I had forgotten about the accident involving DCF 8004 in 1976, I am interested in hearing from people with photos of the aftermath and remobval of this carriage as well.

Please private message me for further details regarding this.
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here

That's correct. They rolled it off the track into Glenbrook Creek from just west of the tunnel.

The RAAF used a Chinook to recover it and took it to Valley Heights.... in bits. I thought I had same old photos of the recovery somewhere....I will keep searching.
"johnboy"


That's great, johnboy. Hopefully you will be able to get some old pics of the recovery - helicopters retrieving trains down a terrain sounds very different!


Another accident on the Mountains:
DCM 8030: Scrapped. It was rounding a bend near Glenbrook, when a freight train led by two 86s went past on the opposite line, and a wagon happened to have derailed, protruding quite prominently to the line 8030 was travelling down. The driver and co-driver onboard the interurban jumped the train, and then the wagon struck the front carriage, causing extremely major damage. The front was completely wrecked, the side panelling on the side of the driver's cab was completely torn off, all windows and panelling on the lower deck completely ripped off exposing the underframe, derailed the leading carriage to the extent 8030 landed metres away from a person's backyard, and the wagon also tore off the corner toilet of the next carriage, DIT 9110. The freight train continued to damage every carriage, with a lot more limited damage, such as creasing and shattered windows, until the overhead wiring tripped out as 8030 had pulled the wiring as it derailed.
  NSWRTM123 Chief Commissioner

Location: Looking for my house. Has anyone seen it?
Don't forget this one:
The Cowan rail disaster occurred on 6 May 1990 when a special passenger train hauled by steam locomotive 3801 was rammed by an interurban v-set while attempting to climb the steep gradient from the Hawkesbury River to Cowan, New South Wales, Australia.

The crash occurred 5km south of Brooklyn, New South Wales, near Boronia tunnel. the 3801 loco's driver dumped sand on the track to gain traction up cowan bank. the interurban train was halted on the northern entrance to boronia tunnel, the signal there was fluctuating between colours, until the signal stayed green, the interurban v-set began to proceed thorough the tunnel. seconds later the interurban crashed into the back car of the 3801's consist, the force of the crash guttered the front four cars of the interurban and the last carriage of the 3801 also breaking the couplings on the consist. the driver and a companion of the interurban were killed along with 5 others.

The engine had applied a lot of sand onto the rails in an attempt to improve traction. The sand insulated the wheels from the rails, causing the track circuits to not detect the presence of the train in the block. Consequently, the stationary signal behind the train displayed a clear aspect (green) the following interurban train, resulting in a collision and the loss of several lives.

Contributing factors include:

Old style AC track circuits, which were insensitive.

No indication of track circuit to any signal box which might have alerted signalman on a short term or long term basis to any shunting problem caused by sand.

It is believed that the handbrakes on one of the carriages may had been applied as a stunt.
"Wikipedia"
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Don't forget this one:
The Cowan rail disaster occurred on 6 May 1990 when a special passenger train hauled by steam locomotive 3801 was rammed by an interurban v-set while attempting to climb the steep gradient from the Hawkesbury River to Cowan, New South Wales, Australia.

The crash occurred 5km south of Brooklyn, New South Wales, near Boronia tunnel. the 3801 loco's driver dumped sand on the track to gain traction up cowan bank. the interurban train was halted on the northern entrance to boronia tunnel, the signal there was fluctuating between colours, until the signal stayed green, the interurban v-set began to proceed thorough the tunnel. seconds later the interurban crashed into the back car of the 3801's consist, the force of the crash guttered the front four cars of the interurban and the last carriage of the 3801 also breaking the couplings on the consist. the driver and a companion of the interurban were killed along with 5 others.

The engine had applied a lot of sand onto the rails in an attempt to improve traction. The sand insulated the wheels from the rails, causing the track circuits to not detect the presence of the train in the block. Consequently, the stationary signal behind the train displayed a clear aspect (green) the following interurban train, resulting in a collision and the loss of several lives.

Contributing factors include:

Old style AC track circuits, which were insensitive.

No indication of track circuit to any signal box which might have alerted signalman on a short term or long term basis to any shunting problem caused by sand.

It is believed that the handbrakes on one of the carriages may had been applied as a stunt.
"Wikipedia"
"NSWRTM123"
Huh? That's the Central Coast Line! We're talking about Blue Mountains Line crashes only.
  flathog Chief Commissioner

Location: Central West, NSW
Don't forget this one:
The Cowan rail disaster occurred on 6 May 1990 when a special passenger train hauled by steam locomotive 3801 was rammed by an interurban v-set while attempting to climb the steep gradient from the Hawkesbury River to Cowan, New South Wales, Australia.

The crash occurred 5km south of Brooklyn, New South Wales, near Boronia tunnel. the 3801 loco's driver dumped sand on the track to gain traction up cowan bank. the interurban train was halted on the northern entrance to boronia tunnel, the signal there was fluctuating between colours, until the signal stayed green, the interurban v-set began to proceed thorough the tunnel. seconds later the interurban crashed into the back car of the 3801's consist, the force of the crash guttered the front four cars of the interurban and the last carriage of the 3801 also breaking the couplings on the consist. the driver and a companion of the interurban were killed along with 5 others.

The engine had applied a lot of sand onto the rails in an attempt to improve traction. The sand insulated the wheels from the rails, causing the track circuits to not detect the presence of the train in the block. Consequently, the stationary signal behind the train displayed a clear aspect (green) the following interurban train, resulting in a collision and the loss of several lives.

Contributing factors include:

Old style AC track circuits, which were insensitive.

No indication of track circuit to any signal box which might have alerted signalman on a short term or long term basis to any shunting problem caused by sand.

It is believed that the handbrakes on one of the carriages may had been applied as a stunt.
"Wikipedia"
"NSWRTM123"


Please read the thread title: Researching Previous Blue Mountains Electric Train Crashes

Interesting as it is, its a tad off topic Wink

Tom
  NSWRTM123 Chief Commissioner

Location: Looking for my house. Has anyone seen it?
Don't forget this one:
The Cowan rail disaster occurred on 6 May 1990 when a special passenger train hauled by steam locomotive 3801 was rammed by an interurban v-set while attempting to climb the steep gradient from the Hawkesbury River to Cowan, New South Wales, Australia.

The crash occurred 5km south of Brooklyn, New South Wales, near Boronia tunnel. the 3801 loco's driver dumped sand on the track to gain traction up cowan bank. the interurban train was halted on the northern entrance to boronia tunnel, the signal there was fluctuating between colours, until the signal stayed green, the interurban v-set began to proceed thorough the tunnel. seconds later the interurban crashed into the back car of the 3801's consist, the force of the crash guttered the front four cars of the interurban and the last carriage of the 3801 also breaking the couplings on the consist. the driver and a companion of the interurban were killed along with 5 others.

The engine had applied a lot of sand onto the rails in an attempt to improve traction. The sand insulated the wheels from the rails, causing the track circuits to not detect the presence of the train in the block. Consequently, the stationary signal behind the train displayed a clear aspect (green) the following interurban train, resulting in a collision and the loss of several lives.

Contributing factors include:

Old style AC track circuits, which were insensitive.

No indication of track circuit to any signal box which might have alerted signalman on a short term or long term basis to any shunting problem caused by sand.

It is believed that the handbrakes on one of the carriages may had been applied as a stunt.
"Wikipedia"
"NSWRTM123"
Huh? That's the Central Coast Line! We're talking about Blue Mountains Line crashes only.
"alltrainzfan"


I thought the Cowan Bank was north of Central.
  JoeT Assistant Commissioner

The RAAF used a Chinook to recover it and took it to Valley Heights.... in bits. I thought I had same old photos of the recovery somewhere....I will keep searching.
"johnboy"


Here ya go. Very Happy



  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Excellent photos there JoeT, thanks for sharing them with us. So practically, the carriage was cut up on site, then taken away by helicopter?
  greenkayaker Minister for Railways

Location: Lithgovian Media Centre
WOW Joe!

You have photos!!!
Just kidding!

Would you have any more of Valley Heights Loco or Depots? Razz
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
Huh? That's the Central Coast Line! We're talking about Blue Mountains Line crashes only.
"alltrainzfan"

Most railfans seem the ignore the Blue Mountains line - this is sadly another such example of that Sad
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
That's a shame; a trip up to Katoomba/Lithgow is quite scenic and well worth the money.
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
That's a shame; a trip up to Katoomba/Lithgow is quite scenic and well worth the money.
"3foot6"

Agreed with you there 3foot6 - I went for a trip up there on Tuesday and it is a great ride. I prefer it to the trips  to Gosford or Thirroul which are also quite scenic.

I think it attracts less interest as the only trains running up there in daylight hours are usually just coal trains or V sets. However the scenery is quite good for photography - it would be worth going up there to see the Indian Pacific.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
re photography of the IP over the mountains, there are several locations around Zig Zag and one very favoured area was just west of Marrangaroo Tunnel where the line crosses the old Mudgee road now Castlereigh Highway with the power station in the background.
The line descends from Wallerawang to the Cox's River Colliery line jct then rises quite steeply to the tunnel.
The curve of the line gives an good view of the whole train.
  NSWRTM123 Chief Commissioner

Location: Looking for my house. Has anyone seen it?
Guys, I just got a bit muddled up with names. I would quite like to do the run up the Blue Mountains. Matter of fact, the one time I've been through there (by car Sad ), I had my camera switched on anywhere I could see the railway line.
  3foot6 Minister for Railways

Location: Unknown
That's a shame; a trip up to Katoomba/Lithgow is quite scenic and well worth the money.
"3foot6"


Agreed with you there 3foot6 - I went for a trip up there on Tuesday and it is a great ride. I prefer it to the trips  to Gosford or Thirroul which are also quite scenic.
"Somebody in the WWW"


I have done every line on the CityRail Network with my grandparents by my side, but that was many years ago.

From what I remember, the trip down the South Coast is just as scenic especially around the area around where you got that L Set shot.
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Thanks Joe for finding the photos. My father had similar ones that were in the local Blue Mountains Gazette, so they were only B&W.....
somewhere in a box in my shed....
  Bwana Chief Commissioner

That's a shame; a trip up to Katoomba/Lithgow is quite scenic and well worth the money.
"3foot6"

...
I think it attracts less interest as the only trains running up there in daylight hours are usually just coal trains or V sets. However the scenery is quite good for photography - it would be worth going up there to see the Indian Pacific.
"Somebody in the WWW"

What puts me off is the lack of good spots for photography - spots with no trees or fences in the way, where you're roughly level with the train and can get a longer shot. Even on platforms you tend to end up with something like this:

That isn't to say there are NO spots, just not many.
  greenkayaker Minister for Railways

Location: Lithgovian Media Centre
There are some which can only be accessed with an Orange vest and a work permit.

Not that that will stop some.

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