Flexitys stopped by wet weather

 
  Skunk82 Station Staff

I have have heard from a tram driver that they do have sand which is automatically dropped by the tram when it starts to slide. They don't have manual sand which can be operated by the driver.

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  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Time for a sanding modification, then, isn't it? Auto sanding with manual override.
  dvdplaza Chief Train Controller

What's with all the speculation about whether the drivers can or can't squirt sand with the Flexities?  Conlon already admitted the situation yesterday:

Transport Minister Pat Conlon this afternoon said the latest problem was regrettable.

When TransAdelaide bought the trams from Germany, it chose not to purchase an option which allowed drivers to squirt sand on to the tracks while braking in slippery conditions.

That option will now be progressively installed in the trams, starting in two weeks, Mr Conlon said.


Seemed pretty clear cut to me - albeit ridiculous this was not included.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
As Pressman has stated an enquiry should be conducted into who and why the halfwits in the dept that ordered them, cut corners to save money and why. Most probably they are all text book experts with very little experience of actual working conditions down on the tracks! 8)
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Do the flexitys have sanding gear?
"Branchline"


What about a vacuum cleaner to such up the leaves?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Perhaps they need a scrubber car.
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
As Pressman has stated an enquiry should be conducted into who and why the halfwits in the dept that ordered them, cut corners to save money and why. Most probably they are all text book experts with very little experience of actual working conditions down on the tracks! 8)
"David Peters"


Has anyone in Government considered how unsafe this decision was in terms of driver and passenger safety?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
As Pressman has stated an enquiry should be conducted into who and why the halfwits in the dept that ordered them, cut corners to save money and why. Most probably they are all text book experts with very little experience of actual working conditions down on the tracks! 8)
"David Peters"


Has anyone in Government considered how unsafe this decision was in terms of driver and passenger safety?
"Boss"


Well when you have people that don't think sanding equipment was necessary ................
Would they possibly have any clue about safety?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Something got me thinking, from the Adelaide Now site story http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23707706-5006301,00.html

That option will now be progressively installed in the trams, starting in two weeks, Mr Conlon said.

Now if they will be fitting the sanding equipment starting in two weeks time, that would mean that the parts are already on order!!
So........ they have known about the problem, and taken steps already to fix it. Seems a bit hush hush doesn't it??
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Perhaps they need a scrubber car.
"route14"


Good thinking.  The Loftus Museum has such as scrubber car which was used to clean the rails on both the ESR and Sydney Light Rail.  Exclamation
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
I suspect that as the Glenelg line has virtually no signficant grades (correct me if I'm wrong) some brightspark decided there would be no issues with climbing up grades in the wet (the problem that the MLR in Sydney faced). Nobody probably thought there'd be difficulty stopping in the wet!

A few planning mistakes in this light rail to learn from!
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
I suspect that as the Glenelg line has virtually no signficant grades (correct me if I'm wrong) some brightspark decided there would be no issues with climbing up grades in the wet (the problem that the MLR in Sydney faced). Nobody probably thought there'd be difficulty stopping in the wet!

A few planning mistakes in this light rail to learn from!
"tonyp"


Clearly cthey shoud have checked St. Kilda Rd Melbourne trams during autumn when a combination of leaves and rain has been a problem since electric trams started running there.
  409 Minister for Railways

tonyp, the Glenelg line is generally flat with the exception of Goodwood overpass which is on the 9km reserve section and has never really been a problem for the trams (both H and I classes). However, the section in North Terrace is the main issue with a long uphill gradient facing trams (from City West terminus) to the intersection of King William Street. What makes the slipping problem even worse is that the stop at Adelaide Railway Station is on what must surely be the steepest part of the gradient.

Finally, North Terrace is lined from end to end with Plane Trees which are obviously shedding their leaves at the moment.
  sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1
Oh my lord, what a bunch of whinging know it alls.

Draw me up a specification for a tram to operate in Adelaide!!!
1 Rule, you cannot link to a tram already in production, as all the critisism I see around the place places blame on the government getting 'off the self' trams....

Get your pens out experts!
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Oh my lord, what a bunch of whinging know it alls.

Draw me up a specification for a tram to operate in Adelaide!!!
1 Rule, you cannot link to a tram already in production, as all the critisism I see around the place places blame on the government getting 'off the self' trams....

Get your pens out experts!
"sas85"


Specification For Adelaide Trams.

Specification  #1.  Brakes that work effectively under all operating conditions.
Specification # 2.  See Specification #1.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Oh my lord, what a bunch of whinging know it alls.

Draw me up a specification for a tram to operate in Adelaide!!!
1 Rule, you cannot link to a tram already in production, as all the critisism I see around the place places blame on the government getting 'off the self' trams....

Get your pens out experts!
"sas85"


Thats what some people get the big bucks for ....... designing systems and writing specs
Why on earth rule out using "In Production" units, you use existing operational units and systems as your research to guide you to the best solution.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!

(both H and I classes).


"I" class???? Sorry, I'm a bit behind the ball, as I dont browse here that often, but from my recollection of S.A. tram classes, there were; A, A1, A2, B, C, D, E, E1, F, F1, G, H, H1 and I think?? J (allocated to trolley buses??) but "I"? Has a class finally been allocated to the 'Flexity's? Or is this just a typo?

Cheers,
SZ
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
On vicsig it is listed as the S class.
  409 Minister for Railways

The working timetables that are carried in the cab of both classes of trams here list the Flexis as 'I' class.
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
Oh my lord, what a bunch of whinging know it alls.

Draw me up a specification for a tram to operate in Adelaide!!!
1 Rule, you cannot link to a tram already in production, as all the critisism I see around the place places blame on the government getting 'off the self' trams....

Get your pens out experts!
"sas85"


Specification For Adelaide Trams.

Specification  #1.  Brakes that work effectively under all operating conditions.
Specification # 2.  See Specification #1.
"Boss"

What about traction motors working effectively under all operating conditions? And cab controllers? And headlights? And door mechanism? And ticket machines? And how about having actual padding on the seats?
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
And ticket machines?
"mjja"

Why would Adelaide want those on their trams Shocked? They've got something one step better - called a conductor 8)
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
And ticket machines?
"mjja"

Why would Adelaide want those on their trams Shocked? They've got something one step better - called a conductor 8)
"Somebody in the WWW"


Well the Adelaide trams do run under a conductor Razz
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Do the flexitys have sanding gear?
"Branchline"


What about a vacuum cleaner to such up the leaves?
"awsgc24"


Why not? The NRs have millipede blowers...
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Oh my lord, what a bunch of whinging know it alls.

Draw me up a specification for a tram to operate in Adelaide!!!
1 Rule, you cannot link to a tram already in production, as all the critisism I see around the place places blame on the government getting 'off the self' trams....

Get your pens out experts!
"sas85"


Specification For Adelaide Trams.

Specification  #1.  Brakes that work effectively under all operating conditions.
Specification # 2.  See Specification #1.
"Boss"

What about traction motors working effectively under all operating conditions? And cab controllers? And headlights? And door mechanism? And ticket machines? And how about having actual padding on the seats?
"mjja"


And all of those but I still think that "Brakes that work effectively under all operating conditions" is # 1.
  sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1
Pressman, when I said you cannot link to a tram already in production, I meant that we cannot have trams that are off the shelf, as this is always attracting critisism. The tram can draw from something that is in production, but since the 'off the shelf' flexities are evil and need to be removed from service I said that we cannot use off the shelf trams to save another farce when time comes to buy new trams.

mjja, The traction motors do work under all conditions.. Please explain the cab controllers issues as I have not heard of any issues with them. Whats wrong with the door mechs? Surely your haven't forgotten what a conductor is? I thought Melbournites loved them or are you a fan of putting coins in a slot? Whats wrong mjja? never sat on a wooden seat back in school Wink

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