Flexitys stopped by wet weather

 
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
I'm not saying anything about the Flexies, I'm just saying that it's fairly ridiculous to say that the brakes are the #1 most important feature of the tram. The entire mechanical and structural integrity of the design has to be at least 95% of perfect before it goes on the tracks, and that includes the brakes as well as all the other things I mentioned.

And yes, the seats... I give a lot of marks for passenger comfort. But that's just me.

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  Halo Chief Train Controller

The Brakes are fine, but if your sliding along the tracks they will be useless no matter who made them, or what tram it is.

Woodern seats would be fine if they "Looked" like woodern seats. They look soft, so you sit in them as if they are. I almost badly hurt myself the first few times i sat in them forgetting they were rock hard! Exactly what is the point of covering them then, leave them plastic, they'd be easier to clean. the only reason for cloth, would be if there were padding under them.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!

On vicsig it is listed as the S class.


Did I hear somewhere that the Sydney LRT's were allocated 'S' class?

Cheers,
SZ
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The padding is probably something else the DTEI left out of the specification to cheapen the price of the flexities! LaughingLaughing
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
Do the Flexities have wooden seats? I would have thought there would be some resistence to that in Australia (even though "padded" seats are often little more than the textile covering - its all in the comfort of the moulding). This very elegant interior option on the new Skoda ForCity includes very nice looking wooden seats and public surveys reveal strong votes both for and against:



In the end it probably boils down more to perceptions than actual comfort.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Is that a trolley bus?
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
Is that a trolley bus?
"route14"

No a tram - 100% low floor with normal pivoting bogies. Unidirectional in this case as the illustration shows.
  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
That tram illustrated is an IKEA kit tram.  8)
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
That tram illustrated is an IKEA kit tram.  8)
"2001"

Its called design I believe.

Will anybody tell me about the seats in the Adelaide flexis?
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
No, they are padded bus-style seats. Just with very little cushioning! 8)
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
It was wet again today (though not as wet as last week) but the Flexies kept going. Even on the hump over the railway at Goodwood.
  dat581 Chief Train Controller

Location: The Shire
Did I hear somewhere that the Sydney LRT's were allocated 'S' class?


The numbers for Sydney's Variotrams follow on from the old systems R1 trams so it would make sense to call them the S class. Dunno what MLR calls them. They probably just use the numbers because they are the only tram that runs on the line.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

I suspect there is no padding, its carpet (no underlay) over plastic. They "Look" like padded bus seats, but feel like plastic. you can "knock" on them like a door, and they sound like plastic too, if there were any padding, that trick wouldnt work.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Do the Flexities have wooden seats?
"tonyp"


No they have concrete seats !
(well that's what the beeline bus driver called them)

Some idiot who wrote up the specs for the new trams asked for slash resistant seats. Works a little too well I'm afraid. I don't know what they made them out of but its almost like a thin layer of carbon fiber with foam underneath !
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Do the Flexities have wooden seats?
"tonyp"


No they have concrete seats !
(well that's what the beeline bus driver called them)

Some idiot who wrote up the specs for the new trams asked for slash resistant seats. Works a little too well I'm afraid. I don't know what they made them out of but its almost like a thin layer of carbon fiber with foam underneath !
"fabricator"

I'm confused. Surely you don't advocate the seats to be slashable???? And how do you know that there is foam underneath, did you try and slash them??????
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Do the Flexities have wooden seats?
"tonyp"


No they have concrete seats !
(well that's what the beeline bus driver called them)

Some idiot who wrote up the specs for the new trams asked for slash resistant seats. Works a little too well I'm afraid. I don't know what they made them out of but its almost like a thin layer of carbon fiber with foam underneath !
"fabricator"

I'm confused. Surely you don't advocate the seats to be slashable???? And how do you know that there is foam underneath, did you try and slash them??????
"nm39"


He did say "seems" I still recon theres nothing under them, it weels like felt on concrete!
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
Thinking back over this thread, it does seem a typical situation in state transit organisations in Australia - good ideas are compromised by the boofheads in charge who are paid exhorbitant salaries out of our taxes in the hope of ensuring that these sorts of flaws do not arise.

If any of them had lifted their backsides out of their executive chairs for a moment and done some background research they would have easily discovered that the Sydney light rail had this problem right at the outset (slipping on wet leaves on a grade) and had to fit sanding gear. But no, I'm sure no state government has anything to learn from other states or even from their own history. Adelaidians cleanse yourselves - send your state government buffoons to Sydney where we have whole asylums full of them and start again from fresh. This is an offer you can't refuse! Smile
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
From what I understand, the trams we have do have sanding gear, but not Manual sanding gear. Is this correct?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Yes, that's correct.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
So all they really need is for a button to be installed and connected to the software to override the auto system and deposit the sand when the driver needs to. Also, perhaps they should consider magnetic traction devices that provide extra downforce on the rail for the wheels. These are simply an electromagnet mounted near a traction axle just above the railhead. Applying current creates attaction to the rail and hence better braking and accelerating (if needed) capabilities.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Do these really exist? Where?
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

nm39 is describing the track brake. This has been mentioned before. Yes the Flexities have track brakes.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Do they have manually activated track brakes like the Citadis do?
  Halo Chief Train Controller

If they have auto sanders, then the software needs to be fixed, as if they are sliding along the tracks, and no sand is added, when exactly does the software "Think" sand is required!?

I suspect there is no sanders, but am open to correction, will have a look next time, as thy are easy to see near the leading wheels. Also most modern sanders use an air compressor to "Charge" the sand storage tank, this can usually be clearly heard on the tram from time to time, yet I've never heard this on any of the Flexies.

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