Flexitys stopped by wet weather

 
  BillD Chief Train Controller

According to reports on the radio, heavy rain combined with falling leaves caused braking issues on Adelaide's North Tce this morning.

Trams on the Glenelg line were terminating at Victoria Square when I went to town for a look.

Three Flexitys were parked on North Tce outside the train station awaiting news on their plight.



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  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Gee, I can already imagine the story in tomorrow's Advertiser

Odds on the FIX IT PAT graphic will be plastered somewhere.
  Branchline Junior Train Controller

Do the flexitys have sanding gear?
  2001 The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Do the flexitys have sanding gear?
"Branchline"


No, there is no sanding gear.

TransAdelaide should erect this sign on North Terrace:



FIT CHAINS NOW

  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Memory serves that the H-Class does Smile
  409 Minister for Railways

All the flexis had been removed by midday and a 'sweeper' gang was down by the points near City West. From what I can tell, the problem MAY be because of a lot of 'pollen' from the Plane Trees which has landed in the groove of the rails. When I walked to the railway station stop after TAFE, I noticed that a lot of this pollen was either on the rail surface or atleast close by. May have been washed out by the rain but I am not 100% sure of that.

Provided that the rails are cleaned out reasonably regularly and the flexis are fitted with sanding gear, there shouldn't be any issues with wet weather.
  baytram366 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
Only in Adelaide. The trams can't run in hot weather, they can't run in the rain. My god, why don't they just not run at all... FIX IT PAT!!  Twisted Evil
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
Back in Melbourne, the B2's often struggle to brake cleanly along my local route (Royal Parade) on a wet or windy day with plenty of leaves blowing about and into the grooves.
  BillD Chief Train Controller
  route14 Chief Commissioner

There is one idiot driver at Brunswick who likes to lift the deadman to drop sand on B2 class.
  trolleybusracer Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Albans Sydenham Watergardens Line
Seriously What Fu*kwit Doesnt Get Sanders Put on trams when their built?
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
Seriously What Fu*kwit Doesnt Get Sanders Put on trams when their built?
"trolleybusracer"

Everybody apparently. This also happened with Sydney variotrams on ramp up to Central Station - sanders were then fitted.
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Back in Melbourne, the B2's often struggle to brake cleanly along my local route (Royal Parade) on a wet or windy day with plenty of leaves blowing about and into the grooves.
"fullofrubbish"


But at least tyhey have sanding gear.  Who would design a tram without sanding gear?
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The Fexities have no sanding gear? Why? I thought that was a pretty mundane feature on rail vehicles.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
In a mexican accent, reminiscent of Blazing Saddles:

Sanding Gear, we don need no stinking sanding gear.

Someone made an active choice to not include sanding gear (my view), which I would have considered standard operating equipment for any rail vehicle. At least they are going to be fitted very quickly.
  trainweld Train Controller

DUH but its TA + the trams were done on the cheap buy back the H class and sell the Flexis to China for scrap or resale Smile

what else is missing?
apart from couplings
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
No way! What about the DDA and other modern regulations? More new trams of a different design, this time with sanding equipment.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

They can hire a couple of wheel chair accessible buses and operate to telephone reservation if DDA also applies in SA, just like what happened to St. Kilda and Port Melbourne light rail lines after light rail convertion in 1987.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
No way, those trams are already accessible, why go back to before the low floor tram? Save us from this, hurry up and add sanding equipment, how hard can it be? Besides, the Flexities have other advantages, they have driver's vigilance device, where a stationary tram is imobilised until the drivers hold a pedal down. While moving, the driver must release the pedal and press it again if the controlling function is idle for 20 seconds. I'm told the (refurbished) H class trams also have vigilance control, but last time I was one one, I saw no signs (in driver actions).
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Ain't it amazing, everytime there is a problem someone always has to jump up and say "get rid of them" or "scrap them"
Or maybe "We need an Inquiry" (Yep spend more $$$$ rather than fixing the problem)
I find it unbelievable to hear that any metal on metal vehicle does not have sanding equipment as a standard feature  Shocked
Someone, somewhere in the depths of the department who ordered these trams wrote a specification for them. It seems obvious that those with the power have specified to a price rather than to a need.
A sanding system? a couple of thousand per tram
Suitable airconditioning system, maybe another few grand?
User programmable destination boards? Dayum.... we have them on all the buses!!!
Little items, that to someone were a just a dollar sign,
In two words ........ penny pinching

If people want to scream for another costly inquiry ....... then it should be about the apparent inability of those in our public service to write an proper Specification
Rolling EyesRolling Eyes
  Klink Chief Train Controller

Location: Stalag 13, the toughest POW Camp in all Germany
Pathetic. Absolutely Pathetic.

This is what happens when engines of any kind are ordered/designed by people who have no idea of how a proper train actually works in all conditions. Sanding equipment has been STANDARD wet-weather/slippery track aid since early last century.

Why is it that the 'Modernisation' of our railways has brought in more problems than we had back with the Rattlers and all old tech?

Bureaucrats should not be allowed to muck about with such things for the sake of saving a few bucks.

Of couse, now nobody at TA or whoever wants to come clean and admit that cheapness caused this. Perhaps it would indeed be best to bring back the H Class as 'Weld pointed out.

Of course given the way the new lines were set up they might not be able to turn along the tracks anyway so the point is moot  Evil or Very Mad
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
This is what happens when engines of any kind are ordered/designed by people who have no idea of how a proper train actually works in all conditions. Sanding equipment has been STANDARD wet-weather/slippery track aid since early last century.
"Klink"


By analogy, how about a new car without ABS brakes or power steering?
  Notch_one Station Master

Location: Cutting up
I think that they do drop sand, i have seen sand on the track near the mall stop.  


Notch_one
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I think that they do drop sand, i have seen sand on the track near the mall stop.  


Notch_one
"Notch_one"

But they do NOT have sanding equipment fitted at present ...... so how?
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Might have been an H class.

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