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      xtrap_heaven Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne's Train Network
    I have heard that there is a recent bus service running from Narre Warren to City during peak hours.

    Does anyone know any information on this?
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 10:14

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      Robbb01 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Shhhh!
    That is really stupid....
    would probly 20 years longer than the train....
    what idiot uses that!
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 10:18
      Westernport Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Not In Service
    That is really stupid....
    would probly 20 years longer than the train....
    what idiot uses that!
    "Robbb01"

    its actually not that stupid at all.. from what you can see with the Eastern Freeway services, that serve railway stations on the Belgrave/Lilydale lines, these services provide a vital link for passengers who live in between railway stations and the city.
    that and they also service people who may not want to travel to the city, it can also act as a local bus service.. similar to route 302 Box Hill to City Queen Street, it runs through Kew, North Balwyn and bits of Mont Albert, prior to hitting the Eastern.

    i remember a couple of years back that there was a plan that Grenda's wanted to begin a city run via the freeway, but the plan got shelved... although i may be wrong.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 10:32
      Robbb01 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Shhhh!
    But wait......
    The areas around the Monash freeway have rail
    and there like 40km from the city.
    You can not compare running buses along the Eastern Freeway to the Monash Freeway.
    And...
    There are no stops along the Eastern after the buses get on...
    So why would there be stops along the Monash....
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 10:40
      Westernport Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Not In Service
    And...
    There are no stops along the Eastern after the buses get on...
    So why would there be stops along the Monash....
    "Robbb01"

    who said that there were gonna be stops placed along the Monash if buses were introduced?

    buses that run along the Eastern Freeway travel through suburbs first, then hit the freeway, run express down the freeway to Hoddle Street where they then begin to stop and pick up again.

    there are no stops along the Eastern Freeway, so i dont see why there would be stops placed along the Monash Freeway in this case.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 10:46
      Robbb01 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Shhhh!
    Lets be serious
    a bus that goes from Narre Warren
    will go onto the freeway
    at he latest..
    at Dandenong...
    The it will be express all the way tot he city...
    What good does that serve?
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 10:50
      Westernport Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Not In Service
    it all depends on where the bus originates from and where it operates prior to entering the freeway, and then exiting the freeway..

    all buses that run along the Eastern Freeway serve suburbs BEFORE they enter the freeway.. for example Route 304 from Ringwood to City Queen Street takes about an hour to get from Ringwood to the Eastern because its spends its time weaving its way around the suburbs, picking up and setting down passengers.

    and in the rare chance of the rail system being closed down because of an accident or the like, passengers then have an alternative way home, instead of having to be piled onto rail replacement shuttles.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 10:54
      drwaddles In need of a breath mint

    Location: Newcastle
    Don't kid yourself, Westernport, a bus from Narre Warren straight to the CBD is nothing but a grossly inefficient use of resources.

    In the time it takes for the bus to reach the city and return it could have done how many suburbs-to-station shuttles?
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 11:11
      Westernport Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Not In Service
    Don't kid yourself, Westernport, a bus from Narre Warren straight to the CBD is nothing but a grossly inefficient use of resources.

    In the time it takes for the bus to reach the city and return it could have done how many suburbs-to-station shuttles?
    "drwaddles"

    i see your point there.. that's probalby the thinking that caused Grenda's to shelve their plan for a S.E. bus route to the City.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 11:13
      xtrap_heaven Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne's Train Network
    Although, after 6:30 most nights it is much quicker to take the freeway then train especially to places like Narre Warren, Cranbourne, Berwick etc.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 11:22
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    it all depends on where the bus originates from and where it operates prior to entering the freeway, and then exiting the freeway..

    all buses that run along the Eastern Freeway serve suburbs BEFORE they enter the freeway.. for example Route 304 from Ringwood to City Queen Street takes about an hour to get from Ringwood to the Eastern because its spends its time weaving its way around the suburbs, picking up and setting down passengers.

    and in the rare chance of the rail system being closed down because of an accident or the like, passengers then have an alternative way home, instead of having to be piled onto rail replacement shuttles.
    "Westernport"

    Route 302/315 take 90 minutes to complete the journey to Box Hill, same as route 304 to Ringwood, piling up for replacement buses would probably be better.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 12:13
      Metro Transit Minister for Railways

    Location: Error.
    If such a bus route does come into effect, it would struggle to stay on time given how bad the traffic jams are during peak times. Unless of course it had a bus lane like on the Eastern FWY.

    But it really depends on what type of time differences there are compared to getting a train from Narre Warren. If its like 5 to 15 minutes then it might not be too bad, but given the traffic of a morning, it could be more.


    Metro.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 16:15
      Camster Chief Commissioner

    Location: Geelong
    The one time I drove from Carlton to Cranbourne, in peak hour, it took me about the same time as it did for the train and tram. So the tollway was not quicker. I imagine it was an average day on the freeway too.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2008 16:28
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    The 304 bus  has a stop on the Eastern Freeway at Middleborough Road. The bus goes up the exit ramp, across the road and stops (maybe) at the stop on the entrance ramp before rejoining the freeway.
    A much less popular bus route does the same thing at Doncaster Road (I don't remember what number).
    Posted: 23 Sep 2008 00:21
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    No route does the same at Doncaster Rd., you are probably thinking of route 307 if not 309, which diverts into the P & R interchange before continueing its journey, same as route 302 during off peak into East Kew interchange.
    Posted: 23 Sep 2008 02:05
      Metlink Chief Commissioner

    Location: Camberwell Station or on Tram 109 or bus 302
    it all depends on where the bus originates from and where it operates prior to entering the freeway, and then exiting the freeway..

    all buses that run along the Eastern Freeway serve suburbs BEFORE they enter the freeway.. for example Route 304 from Ringwood to City Queen Street takes about an hour to get from Ringwood to the Eastern because its spends its time weaving its way around the suburbs, picking up and setting down passengers.

    and in the rare chance of the rail system being closed down because of an accident or the like, passengers then have an alternative way home, instead of having to be piled onto rail replacement shuttles.
    "Westernport"

    Route 302/315 take 90 minutes to complete the journey to Box Hill, same as route 304 to Ringwood, piling up for replacement buses would probably be better.
    "route14"

    The 302 takes just under an hour to complete the journey. 90 mins is slightly exaggerating
    Posted: 23 Sep 2008 02:22
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    The 304 bus has a stop on the Eastern Freeway at Middleborough Road. The bus goes up the exit ramp, across the road and stops (maybe) at the stop on the entrance ramp before rejoining the freeway.
    A much less popular bus route does the same thing at Doncaster Road (I don't remember what number).
    "Gauntlet"



    No route does the same at Doncaster Rd., you are probably thinking of route 307 if not 309, which diverts into the P & R interchange before continueing its journey, same as route 302 during off peak into East Kew interchange.
    "route14"


    Ooops. You're right about that, but I seem to recall that there are bus stops on both freeway entry ramps at Doncaster Road. If this is true then the one for outbound buses is not in use. I might have to double check that.
    Posted: 23 Sep 2008 15:54
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    Route 303, 304 and 306 use the island next to the slip lane to make a stop at Middleborough Rd. and use a "B" light to leave, but that's not Doncaster Rd.  Also route 301 and 305 makes a stop at the slip lane island at Bulleen Rd. before entering the freeway.
    Posted: 23 Sep 2008 16:12
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    Well according to the bus stops at the Doncaster Road exit ramps you can catch routes 307, 309, 316 and 319 to the city, and route 303 to Mitcham.
    Posted: 23 Sep 2008 17:12
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    You mean now route 303 makes a stop at the Doncaster exit before continueing to Middleborough Rd.?  When did that start to happen?
    Posted: 23 Sep 2008 17:46
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    You mean now route 303 makes a stop at the Doncaster exit before continueing to Middleborough Rd.?  When did that start to happen?
    "route14"


    Well the down bus stop looks about the same age as the up one, but apart from that i've got no idea. I just found it odd that there's no mention of the 303 on the up bus stop.  Maybe they couldn't be bothered changing the timetable for two morning peak buses (there's no timetable at all at the down stop - just a route number).
    Posted: 24 Sep 2008 10:48
      jezzap Locomotive Fireman

    There is no Bus lane on the Monash and no chance in hell of one being introduced. Considering that the average speed in peak hour on the Monash is between 21-40km/h (according to the RACV), I can't see how it would be faster than a stopping all stations train.
    Posted: 24 Sep 2008 12:19
      mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melbourne
    Elevated busway in the middle of the monash?
    Posted: 24 Sep 2008 17:59
      Robbb01 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Shhhh!
    elevated busway in the median
    expensive project that will do very, very little!
    Posted: 24 Sep 2008 18:57
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    They can use the emergency stopping lane as bus lane, all you do is to change the sign.
    Posted: 24 Sep 2008 22:10

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