Yarrawonga passenger service

 
  lisa1 Banned

Location: Banned
Why is there no passenger service to Yarrawonga? Is there a plan for one?

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  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
People weren't interested in it even though the VR spent some cash redoing the guts of a DERM up in the 1970's.

And no. It's not viable, it's not really that possible and quite frankly the money is better spent on real projects.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why is there no passenger service to Yarrawonga? Is there a plan for one?
"lisa1"


V/Line ruled out a passenger train service to Yarrawonga a few years ago

What rolling would run the service and how would the rolling stock be worked (would trains be through worked to and from Melbourne)
  vanessa Locomotive Driver

Location: Banned

What rolling would run the service and how would the rolling stock be worked (would trains be through worked to and from Melbourne)
"Nightfire"


Surely a Vlocity single car might be the right way to delivery a service such as this.

When you say V/Line ruled this out, do we know for what reason?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
In my opinion Yarrawonga is a smaller version of Echuca, 6,000 people compared to around 13,000 in the Echuca / Moama district, so any ideas V/Line may have had 'years ago' are most likely well out of date.

Kuldalai 's recently reporting of the amazing pax figures on the slow VLocity service from Echuca, speaks volumes for the potential of several other lines, Yarrawonga being just one.

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


When you say V/Line ruled this out, do we know for what reason?
"vanessa"


Cost of track upgrade

Cost of building rolling stock to run the service

Cost of maintaining the service

Predicted lack of use

Better off upgrading the Melbourne Shepparton service and running a connection coach servce to and from Yarrawonga form Shepparton.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Why is there no passenger service to Yarrawonga? Is there a plan for one?
"lisa1"


Well, I took a close look at Yarrawonga Station last week.

Pretty derelict, I say.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line


When you say V/Line ruled this out, do we know for what reason?
"vanessa"


Cost of track upgrade

Cost of building rolling stock to run the service

Cost of maintaining the service

Predicted lack of use

Better off upgrading the Melbourne Shepparton service and running a connection coach servce to and from Yarrawonga form Shepparton.
"Nightfire"


Idea   The mere mention of the word 'bus' and you lose over 50 % of your potentail catchment. See my above post.

Perhaps you should get a job with Agent Mulder, he's always looking for anti-rail supporters.. Rolling Eyes  
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
There already *is* a connection coach from Yarrawonga-Mulwala to Shepparton. Leaves Albury, early morning, daily.  Was on that service about 2 months ago.  Bus fills up too, nearly full by Cobram.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland



The mere mention of the word 'bus' and you lose over 50 % of your potentail catchment. See my above post.  
"The Vinelander"


Totaly agree with you there but V/Line doesn't see things from this side of the fence

Running a passenger train to Yarrawonga Is a little bit more trickier then running a passenger train from Bendigo to Echuca, More so since the Yarrawonga line Is to be standard gauge
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Yarrawonga used to be served up till the early 1980's by a twice daily DERM service (each way) Mon to Sat, One each way Sunday Yarrawonga - Benalla connecting each way with bg passes to/from Melbourne.   In the late 1970's the VR upgraded DERM 56  to provide a re-furbished interior with lay back seats and improved heating .  Despite intensive local promotion patronage increased by only 10 % and the experiment was withdrawn .

Subsequently road coaches replaced the DERM and the current timetable has three each way on Weekdays, two each way on Saturdays, and one each way on Sundays .

There would be no compelling argument for restoration of rail passenger services given the existing and prospective patronage, especially as additional rollingstock would be required .  The other complication is standard gauge, as VLP would not want orphan sg railcars .

In the case of both the current Echuca and planned Maryborough rail services they are done within existing rollingstock resources as extensions of Bendigo and Ballarat services . That situation would not apply with Yarrawonga .
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
When the question was asked in parliament re: Yarrawonga, it was a little more than 'ruling out' Yarrawonga.

In fact, the question from the opposition wasn't even asking of Yarrawonga, it was asked as part of a potential extension of Shepparton services to Cobram.

The government blurred the lines a little, with a response that it would not be feasible to return passenger trains to Rutherglen/Wahgunyah, Yarrawonga, and Numurkah/Cobram.

I am well and truly aware these are three individual railway lines, but that was the response.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
When the question was asked in parliament re: Yarrawonga, it was a little more than 'ruling out' Yarrawonga.

In fact, the question from the opposition wasn't even asking of Yarrawonga, it was asked as part of a potential extension of Shepparton services to Cobram.

The government blurred the lines a little, with a response that it would not be feasible to return passenger trains to Rutherglen/Wahgunyah, Yarrawonga, and Numurkah/Cobram.

I am well and truly aware these are three individual railway lines, but that was the response.
"toxation"


I know from past experience that a bureaucrat I'm very well acquainted with in the DOI put a case to the Minister that a particular line could be re-vamped, with a low budget over a period of time. This line has proven to be the success story that is now the Echuca line.

My acqaintance has other plans as well, though with the Great Recession, they may have to be put on hold for a while.

Ministers can be persuaded if a comprehensive and economical business case is submitted.

Mike.    
  PClark Chief Commissioner

A very big difference between Echuca and Yarrawonga is that a lot of the traffic from the former is going into the large regional city of Bendigo for a variety of reasons.

Benalla is not Bendigo!
  transplan Locomotive Fireman

Location: Hiding in New Zealand
The  buses run by both Vline and Countrylink are both well patronised from Yarrawonga, although there is a difference between that and what you would get for a train.

When I was up in and around Yarrawonga earlier this year it was more convent to drive to Seymour to get a Vline service to Melbourne than to bus for me personally as the lack disgraceful lack of services (given the potential or extending Seymour services) to the city of Shepparton.

The direct bus from Yarrawonga already goes to Seymour at the moment due to NE SG project. Increasing train services to Shepparton and the bus links to the surrounding centres would be far more effective than re-instating trains to the now SG Yarrawonga/ Oakland's line.

The only reason why it hasn't already been closed when the NE line was converted is the seasonal grain traffic and the Strategic Defence purpose this line serves (there is a rather large and currently being re-fitted ADF/ Thales Propellants factory in Mulwala, thus why I was in Yarrawonga from December- February)
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
If a trains were to go back to Yarrawonga, i would suggest a weekend service. I rekon you would get some business that way, and over the holiday periods you would get alot more revenue! Over the easter period, Yarrawonga gets a huge influx of people to the town, in excess of 20,000 people!!!

I dont think an every day service would be viable.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales

Running a passenger train to Yarrawonga Is a little bit more trickier then running a passenger train from Bendigo to Echuca, More so since the Yarrawonga line Is to be standard gauge
"Nightfire"


Why? We either make the leap to SG and provide services or we don't. Please let's not start a culture where the "SG" network is now reserved for freight?

With SG going through, this is a good time to review passenger services in the area and assess potential services.  The public are looking forward to better services (except the people of Wodonga. If I had my way we wouldn't be stopping at Wodonga from Albury)

--Bill
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Running a passenger train to Yarrawonga Is a little bit more trickier then running a passenger train from Bendigo to Echuca, More so since the Yarrawonga line Is to be standard gauge
"Nightfire"


Why? We either make the leap to SG and provide services or we don't. Please let's not start a culture where the "SG" network is now reserved for freight?

With SG going through, this is a good time to review passenger services in the area and assess potential services.  The public are looking forward to better services (except the people of Wodonga. If I had my way we wouldn't be stopping at Wodonga from Albury)

--Bill
"freightgate"


Why ? the reason why Is that V/Line only will have enough standard gauge rolling stock to run the Albury - Melbourne - Albury run
(3 train sets) so another train set would be needed, "So someone might ask why don't V/Line order a standard gauge V'locity for the Yarrawonga run" ? Well at something like $7 Million per train set,
With orvercrowding on V/Line's main trunk lines any new V'locity train sets would go to these lines before Yarrawonga would have the slitest chance of getting a V'locity.

Back when the line all the way to Yarrawonga was all broad gauge running a train to Yarrawonga would of been a lot easier because a local Seymour service could of been extended to Yarrawonga, but that Is now Impossible.

Also If additional trains were to be added from Melbourne to Banella to serve Yarrawonga, there would be a better business case for V/Line to send the train onwards to Albury (where there are more people)
and not up North to Yarrawonga (Where there are less people)
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

Better to push for 160km/hr running to Warrnambool, Swan Hill and Echuca first...

...or get the Overland to run south of the grampians Wed/Thur. It could do with a push/pull arrangement like the XPT, changing directions at Maroona & Portland!

(It would also need a bit of gauge conversion, some weed pulling, 3 extra hours in the timetable and 200km extra of diesel a day.)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Found this thread.

CPH's to Yarrawonga in 2013

621-721 / Photos / Railpage
  Altona Loopy Station Master

Visited Yarrawonga back in December 2020 for the first time in many years. Was surprised at the growth and new estates spreading east along the Murray. Its now a very vibrant town of 10,000 (2016 census, combined population with Mulwala).

Its growing at 2% pa, higher than the National average. Fair to assume the 2021 census will show further growth.

I think, in time, the return of passenger services will need to be considered, although logistical issues exist.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Crewing a 3 x daily branch service would be expensive. The bus runs from Mulwala.
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
This thread must be high in the rankings for resuscitation after a long hiatus (hernia). 12 years!
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Before replying to this earlier I tried to find another thread on this topic but could not do I will post here.

Yarrawonga and mulwala have been growing for decades now and will grow faster now with the ability to work from home. It is a lovely spot on the river.

Echuca has a better service for about the same amount of people why not have a comfortable rail service as the track is in place and there is capacity on both the branch and the north east line.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Also why would crewing be expensive for 6 trips ? All that is a required is a driver for the train no conductor necessary ?

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