Mildura passenger service

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

So we are in furious agreement then.

When I said 'tourist line' it would have been from Woodend not the short stump of a line that it currently is.

My views on the Daylesford line have been mentioned before in these pages and it's a loss to everyone that the line isn't reopened to Trentham at least, with a view of extending to at least Tylden, with a bus to Woodend if connecting to the main line at Carlsrhue is a bridge too far for V/Line.

Mike.
Mike we usually are.

They put a man on the moon 60 years ago but in Victoria we cannot run a project to shift a rail inwards or deliver a rail service back to Woodend for a booming region.  It has become laughable.
bevans
Woodend already has a rail service. Laughing

If you are talking about Daylesford > Woodend or even more bizarrely Tylden > Woodend what form would that service take? Would it be a shuttle running Woodend > Trentham > Tylden etc and back again or would the service run to and from Southern Cross?

If it is a shuttle you are talking about allocating a set or 2 just to run that short trip and then needing to be run back and forth to Melbourne or Bendigo for maintenance. And what about crewing?

If it is going all the way to Melbourne then it could be used as an all stopper enabling other services to and from Bendigo to run Express Woodend > Melbourne with pax for intermediate stations changing at The End however the problem with that is it misses one of the biggest catchment towns on the line in Kyneton which already has it's own short stoppers to cope with the extra load. How would the 2 work together?

Don't get me wrong, I am on record as supporting re-opening to Daylesford but how it would work in reality is a whole different kettle of calamari.

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  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
If the aim was to re-instate a passenger rail service to Daylesford, the simplest option would be to build a new line on the original corridor. Stations would really only be justifiable at Tylden, Trentham & Daylesford. Frankly, even Tylden is stretching the definition of justifiable.

It really would be a stretch to justify adding stations at Lyonville, Bullarto and Musk. Lyonville's population is around the 175 mark and Musk's is around 150. Bullarto meanwhile is bustling along with half that at 73 (according to the 2016 census data). Carlsruhe wouldn't be worth it (there is nothing there aside from a few farms) and any of the other former stations on that line would be even more pointless. In this case, Woodend would be the junction station, even if the physical junction was still located at old Carlsruhe station.

A single Sprinter could probably handle the pass numbers during the average weekday running a shuttle service Woodend - Tylden - Trentham - Daylesford. Maybe with a 3VL running direct to and from Southern Cross on weekends, public holidays and during school holidays when tourist numbers are expected to be higher.

To achieve this of course the entire line would have to be re-built. The track from Daylesford to Bullarto is fine for a vintage railmotor trundling along at 25km/h, but a Vlocity or Sprinter operating a scheduled PTV service would require new track. As for the rest of the formation, that would need significant work, possibly buying back of land as well. This would not come cheap.

Of course, it would likely mean the end of the DSCR, many of the locals might not thank you for that.


If it had never closed in the first place, it likely would not be getting closed today, but re-opening it? That is another tale.


It is very difficult to put the toothpaste back into the tube.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If the aim was to re-instate a passenger rail service to Daylesford, the simplest option would be to build a new line on the original corridor. Stations would really only be justifiable at Tylden, Trentham & Daylesford. Frankly, even Tylden is stretching the definition of justifiable.

It really would be a stretch to justify adding stations at Lyonville, Bullarto and Musk. Lyonville's population is around the 175 mark and Musk's is around 150. Bullarto meanwhile is bustling along with half that at 73 (according to the 2016 census data). Carlsruhe wouldn't be worth it (there is nothing there aside from a few farms) and any of the other former stations on that line would be even more pointless. In this case, Woodend would be the junction station, even if the physical junction was still located at old Carlsruhe station.

A single Sprinter could probably handle the pass numbers during the average weekday running a shuttle service Woodend - Tylden - Trentham - Daylesford. Maybe with a 3VL running direct to and from Southern Cross on weekends, public holidays and during school holidays when tourist numbers are expected to be higher.

To achieve this of course the entire line would have to be re-built. The track from Daylesford to Bullarto is fine for a vintage railmotor trundling along at 25km/h, but a Vlocity or Sprinter operating a scheduled PTV service would require new track. As for the rest of the formation, that would need significant work, possibly buying back of land as well. This would not come cheap.

Of course, it would likely mean the end of the DSCR, many of the locals might not thank you for that.


If it had never closed in the first place, it likely would not be getting closed today, but re-opening it? That is another tale.


It is very difficult to put the toothpaste back into the tube.
Gman_86
Levy the development that occur close to those stations for the next 10 years after the service is reinstated?

Some existing residents along the line might really like the idea of being able to catch the train to Melbourne for the day and others might find the potential new commuter belt makes an already bad situation worse - the existing traffic, strain on water and sewerage etc.

Why not add Lyonsville, Bullarto and Musk as full V/line stops - although let's hope they don't completely ruin the stations as the did at Creswick but I guess DDA compels them to do that. Then again maybe the two can't be done at the same time.

If you didn't want to 'ruin DSCR' then you could maybe fund to 'tourist or historical standards' all the way back to Carlshrue the same as the one that runs from Castlemaine as it happens. That's an altogether different business proposition. I could understand that side too, a lot of time and community money already put into that very successful group, a lot of good preserved infrastructure there in addition to new storage that's been built since they've been there.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Prefer if you Mexicans would stay away permanently!!!
changer
Why are you so hostile? By the way it is Melbourne, not Mexico. Just to correct you.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Prefer if you Mexicans would stay away permanently!!!
Why are you so hostile? By the way it is Melbourne, not Mexico. Just to correct you.
Duncs
"South of the River" = Mexico in both US and Australia
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Prefer if you Mexicans would stay away permanently!!!
Why are you so hostile? By the way it is Melbourne, not Mexico. Just to correct you.
"South of the River" = Mexico in both US and Australia
RTT_Rules
Both of which are a long way from Dubai!
  changer Station Master

Prefer if you Mexicans would stay away permanently!!!
Why are you so hostile? By the way it is Melbourne, not Mexico. Just to correct you.
Duncs
No hostil Senor Fawlty!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Prefer if you Mexicans would stay away permanently!!!
Why are you so hostile? By the way it is Melbourne, not Mexico. Just to correct you.
"South of the River" = Mexico in both US and Australia
Both of which are a long way from Dubai!
Duncs
Which is a good thing as I have no desire to visit either as similar problems with both.

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