South Coast Line steam era Southport Tweed Heads

 
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper


What I'd like to find out is where the line ran in relation to Coolangatta Airport as I've been trying to medel the line in MSTS.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I used to work for the QATB & then QAS,  older staff from the  Griffith St QATB station  told me the the grass strip between Coolangatta Rd & the Gold Coast Hwy was the old railway line.

The current ambulance & fire stations stations are on the airport side of it.

This parcel of land seems to  continue from Kirra up to Tugun lights.

Aussie boys photo shows it's southern site, tried Google earth for comparison, but can't for the life of me place it south of the airport.
"NRR"


Thanks very much for that NRR!

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  NRR Locomotive Fireman

Location: Murwillumbah NSW
Litttle bit off topic but anyways thought it interesting.

The Condong sugar mill has about 100m of track & points corner of Tweed Valley Way & Cane Rd, a couple of weeks ago, a bobcat was busy covering them with dirt.

Can still see the end of the points, but still a sad reminder this is just a memory of the past  Sad
  scubs Chief Commissioner

Location: Geebung, Brisbane
Litttle bit off topic but anyways thought it interesting.

The Condong sugar mill has about 100m of track & points corner of Tweed Valley Way & Cane Rd, a couple of weeks ago, a bobcat was busy covering them with dirt.

Can still see the end of the points, but still a sad reminder this is just a memory of the past  Sad
"NRR"


Yes the line out to there look worse every school holidays, every time there are more trees growing over the line and more driveways built over it, I always thought that it might me used again, now I don't
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Litttle bit off topic but anyways thought it interesting.

The Condong sugar mill has about 100m of track & points corner of Tweed Valley Way & Cane Rd, a couple of weeks ago, a bobcat was busy covering them with dirt.

Can still see the end of the points, but still a sad reminder this is just a memory of the past  Sad
"NRR"


Did the line at Condong meet up with sugar cane lines?
  davemail66 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Brisbane North and Sunshine Coast
Litttle bit off topic but anyways thought it interesting.

The Condong sugar mill has about 100m of track & points corner of Tweed Valley Way & Cane Rd, a couple of weeks ago, a bobcat was busy covering them with dirt.

Can still see the end of the points, but still a sad reminder this is just a memory of the past  Sad
"NRR"


Did the line at Condong meet up with sugar cane lines?
"GeoffreyHansen"

I didn't think the Condong sugar mill ever had a cane train tramway network  Question
HERE is a photo (courtesy NSWrail.com) of the old 4ft 8½in (1435mm) siding into the Condong sugar mill.
  phil_48 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Wynnum North
Most likely showing my age a bit here, but this thread has revived memories of childhood trips to Southport and Tweed Heads by train as we had no car in the 50's.

   Some trips to Southport were mostly by rail motor, the 1800 class I think, as I recall they were blue coloured, and the Tweed Heads trips always by steam. The Sunday Tweed Heads trips were heavily patronized with seat bookings essential.  

    The last trip I took was in 1957 and am interested here if what my receding memory recalls is fact. So maybe those with a bit of historical knowledge of these workings could advise if I am right.  The return trip on that last occasion left Tweed Heads about 4.00 p.m. and when we got to Ernest Junction I noticed we were then being shunted backwards.  On looking out the window I noted we were being added to the front of another train waiting there, most likely from Southport.  Another engine ( a PB15 presumably from the Southport set ) was then added to ours and both sets proceeded double headed to South Brisbane.  

    Would this have been a normal  occurrence or a one off.  Maybe someone could assist here.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Most likely showing my age a bit here, but this thread has revived memories of childhood trips to Southport and Tweed Heads by train as we had no car in the 50's.

   Some trips to Southport were mostly by rail motor, the 1800 class I think, as I recall they were blue coloured, and the Tweed Heads trips always by steam. The Sunday Tweed Heads trips were heavily patronized with seat bookings essential.  

    The last trip I took was in 1957 and am interested here if what my receding memory recalls is fact. So maybe those with a bit of historical knowledge of these workings could advise if I am right.  The return trip on that last occasion left Tweed Heads about 4.00 p.m. and when we got to Ernest Junction I noticed we were then being shunted backwards.  On looking out the window I noted we were being added to the front of another train waiting there, most likely from Southport.  Another engine ( a PB15 presumably from the Southport set ) was then added to ours and both sets proceeded double headed to South Brisbane.  

    Would this have been a normal  occurrence or a one off.  Maybe someone could assist here.
"phil_48"


Phil what sort of carriages did you travel in? Were they compartment cars or end platform cars?
  phil_48 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Wynnum North
Compartment cars.  I think they were referred to as " Southport Cars " and were mostly lightweight around the 20 ton or a bit less mark.  After the closure of the Southport line in 1964 a few of these remained for use on the normal southside passenger services.  Car No. 893 spings to mind as it was short in length and the seating higher than usual in relation to the windows so that one could just about fall out the windows ( slight exaggeration ) when seated..
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Has a easement been reserved for the extension of the Gold Coast line to Coolangatta (airport) ?

Or Is there any provision been built Into the Pacific Motorway at Tugun to accommodate any new line ?
  SM247 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Cavill Avenue Station
Has a easement been reserved for the extension of the Gold Coast line to Coolangatta (airport) ?

Or Is there any provision been built Into the Pacific Motorway at Tugun to accommodate any new line ?
"Nightfire"


There won't be any problem with this when the time comes.  The Bypass was designed to allow for the railway to be constructed and there is enough room for it between Varsity Lakes and Currumbin Creek.
  scubs Chief Commissioner

Location: Geebung, Brisbane
Has a easement been reserved for the extension of the Gold Coast line to Coolangatta (airport) ?

Or Is there any provision been built Into the Pacific Motorway at Tugun to accommodate any new line ?
"Nightfire"


There won't be any problem with this when the time comes.  The Bypass was designed to allow for the railway to be constructed and there is enough room for it between Varsity Lakes and Currumbin Creek.
"SM247"


I must admit that I think the state government has actually started planning for once by leaving plenty of room for expansion or additions or extensions. By when is the next extension of the Varsity Lakes/Gold Coast line expected to start, I would think the economic climate may affect any more expansion within the next 5-10 years.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Has a easement been reserved for the extension of the Gold Coast line to Coolangatta (airport) ?

Or Is there any provision been built Into the Pacific Motorway at Tugun to accommodate any new line ?
"Nightfire"


There won't be any problem with this when the time comes.  The Bypass was designed to allow for the railway to be constructed and there is enough room for it between Varsity Lakes and Currumbin Creek.
"SM247"


Will the Coolangatta line loop around the Southern boundary of Coolangatta Airport before terminating at the Airport Terminal
(dipping Into NSW territory) or will It tunnel under the airport runways
  scubs Chief Commissioner
  ButFli Chief Train Controller

Location: New Farm, Qld
Will the Coolangatta line loop around the Southern boundary of Coolangatta Airport before terminating at the Airport Terminal
(dipping Into NSW territory) or will It tunnel under the airport runways
"Nightfire"
They say that when the put the road tunnel under the runways they made provision for a railway. I don't know whether they actually fully made a railway tunnel or whether they just left space to dig a new tunnel in the future.

But I guess that means they plan to take the railway under the runway.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
They say that when the put the road tunnel under the runways they made provision for a railway. I don't know whether they actually fully made a railway tunnel or whether they just left space to dig a new tunnel in the future.

But I guess that means they plan to take the railway under the runway.
"ButFli"


Nothing sticks out that my look like a railway easement as part of the Tugun Bypass, when looking at a satellite view of Coolangatta.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Has a easement been reserved for the extension of the Gold Coast line to Coolangatta (airport) ?

Or Is there any provision been built Into the Pacific Motorway at Tugun to accommodate any new line ?
"Nightfire"


There won't be any problem with this when the time comes.  The Bypass was designed to allow for the railway to be constructed and there is enough room for it between Varsity Lakes and Currumbin Creek.
"SM247"


Will the Coolangatta line loop around the Southern boundary of Coolangatta Airport before terminating at the Airport Terminal
(dipping Into NSW territory) or will It tunnel under the airport runways
"Nightfire"


I thought the line was going to briefly pass through NSW before terminating at Coolangatta airport.
  ButFli Chief Train Controller

Location: New Farm, Qld
I thought the line was going to briefly pass through NSW before terminating at Coolangatta airport.
"GeoffreyHansen"
The Southern half of the main runway and the motorway tunnel are in NSW. I don't think it's a question of whether the line will cross the border it's more a question of whether it go will under the runway or around it.
  bunza Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast
http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/web/AttachStore.nsf/allobjects/Tugun%20Bypass%20map/$file/Tugun_Bypass_map.pdf

Railway crosses to eastern side of the motorway at the hospital, and then travels under the runway.

As for whats been done, the EIS says that all they planned to do was lay a concrete slab where they expect a single railway track to be, so that tunneling could be conducted at a later date without impacting the runway above.

Having said that, what is planned and what is done is often never the same.
  qredge Deputy Commissioner

Location: Marsden Qld
Another bad planning decision

Why not tunnel directly under the runway and end up at the airport terminal and then continue to head south if extension happens
The current plans means another Cleveland fiasco in that the line cannot be extended father easily
  SM247 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Cavill Avenue Station
Rather than exacerbate the speculation, I suggest we all take a look at page 18 of this document for an indication of what is planned - this is the best diagram I have found anywhere so far.

http://www.goldcoastairport.com.au/pdf/Master_Plan_2006.pdf

Red is heavy rail, which is fairly likely to be what ultimately happens.  The green coming in off the GC Hwy is an indicative light rail route, which will be subject to detailed planning but of course will have to fit in with the airport's plans as well.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Another bad planning decision

Why not tunnel directly under the runway and end up at the airport terminal and then continue to head south if extension happens
The current plans means another Cleveland fiasco in that the line cannot be extended father easily
"qredge"


It deepens, Coolangatta Airport would become a major transport destination for many travelers In the region, a extension South Into Tweed Heads could still happen by the track back tracking a 1km and following the Pacific Highway.
As to what type of track this line could be ? that Is always going to be debated, If It Is QR 1067mm Gold Coast line standard, 1435mm light rail standard or NSWGR 1435mm heavy rail (diesel) standard.

A Tweed Heads extension by far won't come cheap so going South of Coolangatta may very well remain a pipe dream for the foreseeable future.
  Aussie Bhoy Junior Train Controller

Location: Brisbane
In a perfect world it would be dual guage down to Ballina, and linking with the rest of the NSW network at Byron Bay.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I still think that it would be better to tunnel under the runway to the airport and then head further south.
  ar31 Chief Commissioner

Location: Elimbah, Queensland
In a perfect world it would be dual guage down to Ballina, and linking with the rest of the NSW network at Byron Bay.
"Aussie Bhoy"


Problem with that is states don't want to subsidise other state's Public Transport.  Hence the Gold Coast Bus Network is split into 2 fare systems at the border.

Even if rail went past Coolangatta, south of that won't be integrated, hence 2 tickets and invalidating the point of "integrated PT".

A suggestion is that an Australian-wide PT organisation (similar to the form of TransWA, or QldConnect) could oversee a "integrated PT" nation-wide.
  Xgentric Chief Commissioner

Thanks for the site plans, guys - they are excellent!

A few years ago, QR had expressed interest in maybe extending their line further south, to Kingscliff, at least.

Ideally, I would like to see the line come down to the east of the airport, which would make any extension to the south a lot easier. But there is Coolangatta Creek, and also a lot of infrastructure already in place, and it would require a lot of engineering and disruption to existing services to do it that way. I think they don't really have much choice to do it other than by their plans, with the line approaching west of the airport in a 'J'. A shame, though.

The land west of the airport, or even south, might make an excellent air/rail/road freight interchange if the SG tracks ever came that far. Economically, it would take freight to make the Mur'bah line viable, and provide a freight entry to the Gold Coast from both directions, and remove a lot of trucks from the highways. It could also give SG access to the airport station, linking with QR, and which would make an SG passenger service to the south more viable as well.

I thought that the line to the airport would be double track, though this is a bit ambiguous from the plans. Can anybody confirm this or otherwise?

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