V/Line Incidents/Disruptions

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
More fun and games on the Bendigo line this evening as the ubiquitous "track fault" rears it's head again, this time near Castlemaine.

I lucked in, my train is running but there are cancellations and delays all over the shop.

BG

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
More fun and games on the Bendigo line this evening as the ubiquitous "track fault" rears it's head again, this time near Castlemaine.

I lucked in, my train is running but there are cancellations and delays all over the shop.

BG
BrentonGolding

Track faults are a fortnightly occurrence on the Ballarat line...twice in the past two weeks track faults around Caroline Springs or Rockbank.

The trouble is, things go wrong then trains stop everywhere waiting for the fitters to arrive.

40 mins late this morning...just as well it doesn't matter when I eventually turn up at work.

Mike.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The more I see of track faults, signal faults and faulty trains, the more I wonder whether V Line's Board and Managers believe these faults to be standard operating procedure. Both groups are totally unqualified to run a railway system and, given their abysmal performance, none of their collective thought processes would surprise me.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Wouldn't have stopped due to severe overcrowding.
Valvegear unfortunantly if your not a 457 holder from the uk you have no hope.
Current management removing 30+ year experianced guys for 457 visa holders generally from extremly poorly run uk companys probably employed as they cut costs so well back home.
But as long as the geelong trains run there is little interest in any other line how many months was/is the 30km/h speed restriction in geelong? Unfortunantly as much as people dislike matthew guy what is happening at vline is pathetic so could quite possibly see him in office in november this is all happening on jacintas watch and its surprising they can run a train at all.(not that I expect him to actually do half the projects he promises)
scumcock
Public Transport has always been pathetic in this state, truly in the toilet with no coherent plan whatsoever. We are at least 20 years behind NSW and everything is dumbed down to a budget. If you think that this will improve under the Coalition, I ve news. Jacinta Allan is better than David Davis.

Michael
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Are there trains to places other than Geelong?Smile

Just heard a snippet on TV rambling about something or other about appointing a 'competence based board'.

What a novel idea where would we get such a thing?

Simple, just advertise for someone with a 457 visa.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Apparently "Major delays" on all of the RRL Lines, plus the S/G "due to a person struck by a train near Footscray".
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I was looking for something else and stumbled across this in the GWR annual report for this year.

This has not been a good year for performance. Part of this is a direct result of the amount of upgrade work and rolling stock changes being made over a short period of time on the Great Western. Next year customers will see the benefit but this year has been very difficult. We recognise we need to do better. Some of the most painful delays and cancellations have been through availability of trained drivers. Customers ask why we did not think ahead and recruit more staff. We did, and we now have by far the biggest driver population GWR has seen in this or any franchise. However, Intercity Express Train (IET) and Class 387 electric driver training started later than planned due to electrification delays. Availability of the track and trains for training issues gave us less time to complete the training and also meant that Thames Valley 387 training and IET training had to be done over the same time period. This was also the same time that drivers were being trained to drive turbo trains over new routes in our Central and Wales region. Training is now well underway and delays for drivers are starting to ease as training completes. However, our transformation from the oldest UK train fleet to the newest, means every route sees a new or upgraded train, and that means every one of our 1369 drivers needs to be trained. One of the ways we responded to the compression in training time was by getting drivers to work rest days for training. This helped with the training, but reduced drivers’ availability to work at other times, which has impacted weekend services in particular, and our biggest outstanding risk remains the reliance on voluntary Sunday working by drivers and the level of Rest Day Working we need to complete our training programme. We are trying to address both these issues through discussions with ASLEF.
Great Western Railway


I am genuinely stunned by the accountability and honesty in this report of a privately franchised company to its stakeholders. There is no reason that V/Line should not be held to the same standards – indeed, since it is a state-owned corporation, there is a strong argument its report should be even more frank. The example set overseas is a damning indictment of railway administration in this country and this state, where we are constantly fed cat food about "staff sickness" and "track faults".

The entire report is well worth a read for an example of what a well-run railway franchise can look like. My phone is not letting me add the link, sorry, but it can be easily found by searching.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
' There is no reason that V/Line should not be held to the same standards – indeed, since it is a state-owned corporation, there is a strong argument its report should be even more frank.'

Of course Vline should be held to honesty and accuracy but the State owned bit is the very reason for the spin and cover up - it is a vain attempt to cover Jacinta Allan and the government's backside. Metro is also there to some degree as a buffer between reality and the government whilst Vline 'is the government'.

Metro is, perhaps, improving albeit ever so slowly, whereas Vline continues to lurch from crisis to crisis.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

I'd rather see V Line advertising for a few engineers who know how to maintain rolling stock, signals, and track.

Get them working properly, and there's a lot less need for communications with passengers ( sorry, customers.)
Valvegear
Ill give you the tip, even if such positions were advertised, there would be no way in hell the positions would be successful given the environment.  A bit more needs a clean out to create a 'success and belonging' culture.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I hope this doesn't drag on:
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I hope this doesn't drag on:
Carnot
Nope, on the 16.25 Up from Castlemaine as we speak and just crossed a Dn service on the loop at Elphi.

It shows how little faith V/Fail have in their own people, SC to Clarkie is 40 minutes minimum but they hold the train at SC just in case there is a problem with the LX?

***edit made excellent time to Sunbury after losing time at Taradale due to a late running cross, arrived around 2 minutes early. Then lost 10 minutes around Calder Park, red lighted on the Dn side of the Melton Hwy bridge, missed path into SC, spent some time stuck on the flyover and eventually arrived into Southern Cross 15 minutes late. Pathetic.***

BG
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Big mess between Deer Park and Ardeer.  Looks like an abandoned car on the tracks has been hit.  Ballarat V/Lo evacuated:
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5537138/ballarat-train-evacuated-after-crashing-into-car/
  Carnot Minister for Railways

And after 2 hours V/Line are struggling to get coaches:
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

V/Line (and Metro, for that matter) have enough trouble without ferals doing feral things.

An accident like this could have caused multiple fatalities had the train derailed, and from the passenger reports it sounds like it very nearly did. (Is there also a suggestion debris fouled the other running line?)

It is just so frustrating and frightening and I sincerely hope justice is dispensed.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
V/Line (and Metro, for that matter) have enough trouble without ferals doing feral things.

An accident like this could have caused multiple fatalities had the train derailed, and from the passenger reports it sounds like it very nearly did. (Is there also a suggestion debris fouled the other running line?)

It is just so frustrating and frightening and I sincerely hope justice is dispensed.
potatoinmymouth
It isn't the first time the ferals have left cars on the track in that area. Wasn't there a spate in the last few years?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And after 2 hours V/Line are struggling to get coaches:
Carnot

Yeah they ran out of fairy dust that makes all the nasty thing go away.

Next time David Hyland can lend them his Harry Potter magic kit to conjure up some buses and drivers out of thin air.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

getting additional buses / coaches after 18 30 is a big ask , as peak traffic and peak bus driver numbers who are available are all out there driving a bus / coach . Come 2030 and a lot of those bus drivers are at the end of their shift.

As buses / coaches WITH drivers are not on standby , at certain times an ability to get a scratch bus service from a depot through heavy road traffic and in place takes up tp 2 hours ( as I know from first hand experience with Metro ) before the first bus / coach is available.

Sometimes you can be lucky, sometimes you are not , there is not much one can do about it , and in my experience both the railway and the bus companies do their best to supply a scratch service , but unless drivers and buses are available, you just have to wait until they do become available.

Worse case scenario, you require buses at 1700 on a Saturday or Sunday when the temperature is 40 decrees C day in January. The early shift is home , the late shift is working and the booked off shift , like the early shift is at a BBQ with their family , enjoying a nice cold beer , therefore those possibly available may be countable on one hand if you are lucky !

Regards, Radioman
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

About 1000 school bus drivers in the region finish their shift at 1700.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Currently on the Ghost Train, 17.07 Up from Castlemaine. When I arrived at the station all the PIDS displays said Listen For Further Announcements. I thought that was a bit weird but the road was set for the train so I jumped on the V/Line app.

Sure enough the service was listed as cancelled. So I touched off again and wandered off in the direction of The Railway Hotel when suddenly the train rolled in!

One passenger says the VLocity cut out completely around Harcourt somewhere and it doesn't sound like a connie making the on train announcements, sounds more like the driver, they are not being made as we approach a station rather as we leave.

Whatever the case is it is a big relief to all of the footy supporters heading to the Tigers / Saints game at Etihad stadium including a family in the seat behind me who drove from NSW to Bendigo to get the service to the match, we get quite a few footy fans on this service but that is hard core!

One question, are V/Line services allowed to run without a conductor or would they be cancelled? Whatever the answer V/Line has made a lot of people very happy this evening and the people themselves don't even realise how lucky they are. Good Job.

BG
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

V/Line (and Metro, for that matter) have enough trouble without ferals doing feral things.

An accident like this could have caused multiple fatalities had the train derailed, and from the passenger reports it sounds like it very nearly did. (Is there also a suggestion debris fouled the other running line?)

It is just so frustrating and frightening and I sincerely hope justice is dispensed.
It isn't the first time the ferals have left cars on the track in that area. Wasn't there a spate in the last few years?
Jack Le Lievre
It used to be that the penalty for endangering the lives of passengers on a railway was imprisonment for life, maybe it should still be.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It used to be that the penalty for endangering the lives of passengers on a railway was imprisonment for life, maybe it should still be.
Lockspike
250 counts (or however many pax + crew there were on board) of attempted murder I reckon. Plus a bill for EVERY SINGLE CENT of the cost of damage, emergency services, replacement coaches etc etc etc.

But is will end up with a slap on the wrist and the perpetrator claiming they had a bad upbringing or some rubbish.

BG
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

The car was not deliberately left on the tracks. A dodgy GPS led to a wedging between tracks. The driver's decision to jump clear saved their life and reduced the stress enormously for the crews involved.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The car was not deliberately left on the tracks.
DalyWaters
In this case!

But that is intriguing info, Radio was reporting it as an abandoned vehicle, was this at Mt Derrimut Rd crossing?

Do you know any more specifics about where and why (ie where were they trying to go) it occured?

BG
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

The car was not deliberately left on the tracks. A dodgy GPS led to a wedging between tracks. The driver's decision to jump clear saved their life and reduced the stress enormously for the crews involved.
DalyWaters
Thanks for the further info, DW.
I'll refrain from comment re undue reliance on GPS while motoring

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