V/Line Incidents/Disruptions

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The 1753 service was reduced plus the 2120 ex bgo was cancelled altogether.
As long as delays for geelong line are minimal its a success in managements eyes.
scumcock
Ah, the good ol' 17.53 culled again, pretty much a daily event ATM.

And of course this morning's Up Echuca is cancelled as well following on from last night's cancellation.

BG

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

And of course this morning's Up Echuca is cancelled as well following on from last night's cancellation.
BrentonGolding

The long-distance situation is like a bad joke - V/Line apparently fail to grasp that reaching for the red button cancels TWO trains and inconveniences far more people than one seriously delayed train.

I’ve been watching this with renewed horror since being on an up Maryborough service which was terminated at Ballarat earlier this year on a warm day because the WOLOed down train might have missed its path back to Melbourne. Which, of course, was a false economy, because a down Wendouree had to be held at Ballarat to meet the coach, which was even slower than a WOLO train would have been... and so it missed its path and arrived 45 mins late back to Southern Cross.

It’s not rocket science - the least frequent trains should get priority, and commuters just have to suck it up as they have always managed to do on the suburban lines.
  scumcock Locomotive Fireman

I doubt much will change they cant even put fuel in trains for some unknown
reason management is fixated on using a completly inadequate fuel point at scs
that has 1 fuel hose while multi million dollar facilities lay idle throuout the day
at country locations.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It’s not rocket science - the least frequent trains should get priority, and commuters just have to suck it up as they have always managed to do on the suburban lines.
potatoinmymouth
They can't even manage to get a priority path for an Express V/Line train to run ahead of a Sunbury / Watergardens all stopper so how in heck are they going to manage anything else!

On a brighter note after running late into SBY this morning due to the above the 09.14 Down Bendigo was almost back to timetable by CME thanks in no small part to the brilliant new Kyneton P2 stopping pattern.

BG
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I doubt much will change they cant even put fuel in trains for some unknown
reason management is fixated on using a completly inadequate fuel point at scs
that has 1 fuel hose while multi million dollar facilities lay idle throuout the day
at country locations.
scumcock
Are you sure it only has 1 hose? Also do you think the current fueling practices actually impact services? If yes, then what would you change and how would you do it? Vehicles are fueled as per roster requirements, which means the vast majority just need to be refueled at night at their country stabling location which is the current practice. Some do need a top-up during the day (particularly sprinters) if their scheduled travel distance is too far, or if they've been swapped around to cover a failed unit etc.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Are you sure it only has 1 hose? Also do you think the current fueling practices actually impact services? If yes, then what would you change and how would you do it? Vehicles are fueled as per roster requirements, which means the vast majority just need to be refueled at night at their country stabling location which is the current practice. Some do need a top-up during the day (particularly sprinters) if their scheduled travel distance is too far, or if they've been swapped around to cover a failed unit etc.
jakar
Got in before me @jakar, I was going to ask you if they had stopped using the fuel point at Bendigo, that would be strange indeed!

BG
  Jack Clark Beginner

I suspect you're arguing semantics, yes Southern Cross has two hoses, but shared between 4 roads. Only 1 road is permitted for VLocity fuels, the remaining 3 being for Sprinters. A 3 car VLocity after being placed has to be moved two more times to fuel the whole unit.

I believe in theory there is only two or so rostered VLocity fuels at Southern Cross, however the 'emergency' fueling, and I use that term loosely as it's really Cars Office incompetence that causes it, often leaves 20+ fuels a day at Southern Cross, particularly on weekends.

The time allowance for a fuel whilst not officially listed in any industrial agreement is generally accepted to be 60 minutes. One can see how the VLocity fueling is often nearly continuous through the day at Southern Cross, where as at regional locations where the fuel points are purpose built and courtesy of 3 hoses able to fuel a VLocity in a single stop. However regional fuel points aren't used during the day and often not at all on a weekend.

It's just another measure of how VLine despite being provided with the resources required, are totally incapable of using them to deliver a service.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I believe in theory there is only two or so rostered VLocity fuels at Southern Cross, however the 'emergency' fueling, and I use that term loosely as it's really Cars Office incompetence that causes it, often leaves 20+ fuels a day at Southern Cross, particularly on weekends
Jack Clark

As always I appreciate the information that our insiders can provide.

If I might drill down a wee bit further, there often seems to be frustration about the performance of Cars. Indeed one of the earliest posts on this thread regards a rostering mistake that led to an overcrowding debacle (which was worthy of comment back in 2009!)

So: where exactly does the incompetence lie? And how could it be addressed?
  Jack Clark Beginner


As always I appreciate the information that our insiders can provide.

If I might drill down a wee bit further, there often seems to be frustration about the performance of Cars. Indeed one of the earliest posts on this thread regards a rostering mistake that led to an overcrowding debacle (which was worthy of comment back in 2009!)
potatoinmymouth

Like any office, some are exceptionally good, going above and beyond what is required.

And others are lazy and just don't care.
  scumcock Locomotive Fireman

I doubt much will change they cant even put fuel in trains for some unknown
reason management is fixated on using a completly inadequate fuel point at scs
that has 1 fuel hose while multi million dollar facilities lay idle throuout the day
at country locations.
Are you sure it only has 1 hose? Also do you think the current fueling practices actually impact services? If yes, then what would you change and how would you do it? Vehicles are fueled as per roster requirements, which means the vast majority just need to be refueled at night at their country stabling location which is the current practice. Some do need a top-up during the day (particularly sprinters) if their scheduled travel distance is too far, or if they've been swapped around to cover a failed unit etc.
jakar
Yes 1 hose is used to fuel as Jack explained there is 2 but each hose services 2 roads.
Yeah the 1657 last night was cancelled due to no fuel units are shuffled daily due to fuel requirments.
a top up doesnt really occur if it goes in the fuel point it is filled completly
vast majority you mean less than half units stabled at some locations? where the other units sit idle for 8hrs get prepped run  to melb then shunt out to fuel?
some weekend days have up to 20 fuels a day rostered(emergency) considering the allocated time is 90 mins per 3 car unit that can only be fuelled in 4 car things are going to get shuffled and cancelled.
I believe outstation fuelling should be expanded so all units stabled there are fuelled each night with the potential to look at day fuelling between services fuel times allowing it is something they should be looking at utilising considering it can take up to 1 hr during peak times trying to shunt a vlo to the fuel point it makes perfect sense too expand outstation fuelling and returning scs fuel point to a true emergency fuel point.
  scumcock Locomotive Fireman

Are you sure it only has 1 hose? Also do you think the current fueling practices actually impact services? If yes, then what would you change and how would you do it? Vehicles are fueled as per roster requirements, which means the vast majority just need to be refueled at night at their country stabling location which is the current practice. Some do need a top-up during the day (particularly sprinters) if their scheduled travel distance is too far, or if they've been swapped around to cover a failed unit etc.
Got in before me @jakar, I was going to ask you if they had stopped using the fuel point at Bendigo, that would be strange indeed!

BG
BrentonGolding
I thought I explained it clear enough that they lay idle throughout the day?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
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