PIDS going bonkers

 
  Michaelje Chief Commissioner

The assumption is of course one lot of ... equals one station. Ain't necessarily so. Razz

Remember that route is the only line in Melbourne where there's more than one way to get to the terminating location. When an express run is loaded into PRIDE, Seaholme Altona and Westona simply don't exist at all, because it's a different run.

The two lines are simply spacers designed to fill up the screen, nothing more.

Everywhere else, it's different. The ... does signify a missing station, because it's the same run - say a down Belgrave SAS versus the down Belgrave express versus the doen Belgrave "Puffing Billy special"

The route is the same but stations are deleted from the PRIDE listing to comply with a specific runs stopping conditions.
"heisdeadjim"


I don't believe thats correct, the "..." indicates a skipped station. Two "..." means two skipped stations.

In this case it indicates that Paisley and Galvin are skipped.

I don't believe its just to fill the screen, it doesn't work like that anywhere else.

Sponsored advertisement

  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

meh. Razz
  Murasaki Chief Train Controller

Location: Going sideways... in carriage DET-9216 (>ω<)
When Altona had its own branch, there was no Westona station, right? (ó_ò)?
(Don't know if it mattered at the time of the software's development and use, though.)
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
When Altona had its own branch, there was no Westona station, right? (ó_ò)?
(Don't know if it mattered at the time of the software's development and use, though.)
"Murasaki"


Newport to Werribee was done in 1982 (Same time we'd started getting the Comengs, We also have the Nike Air Force One design from that year!)

Altona line was extended to Westona and further onto Laverton in 1988 (Keeping with the theme, Comeng order was was being fulfilled and Air Jordan III's came out)

Does that work for you, Murasaki? ^_^
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I had Comeng trains arriving in 1981, the Werribee line getting sparked in 1983, Westona opening in mid 1985, and Paisley, Galvin and Mobiltown closing in early 1985.

I completely forgot about Williamstown Racecourse station (1860-1940) until I checked here.
http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/line/werribee

After contemplating the situation I'm convinced the spaces represent Galvin and Paisley because I've never seen PIDs at Richmond displaying

Next Train FLINDERS STREET
- - -
- - -
- - -
---
Flinders Street
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I had Comeng trains arriving in 1981, the Werribee line getting sparked in 1983, Westona opening in mid 1985, and Paisley, Galvin and Mobiltown closing in early 1985.

I completely forgot about Williamstown Racecourse station (1860-1940) until I checked here.
http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/line/werribee

After contemplating the situation I'm convinced the spaces represent Galvin and Paisley because I've never seen PIDs at Richmond displaying
"Gauntlet"


The numbers were off the top of my head.

Back on topic. I do prefer seeing spaces between Newport and Laverton -- Whether it's 3, 2 or 1. It's just nice to see the space broken up between the two for a quick glance at the PID you know it's an express (and nothing runs express between Newport and Westona)

Seeing the below confuses me, I always stop and have to check carefully, for people with less than perfect vision, It'd also be a bit annoying arriving at Laverton when you were off to Altona because it looked "all stations"

WERRIBEE

SOUTHERN CROSS
NORTH MELBOURNE
SOUTH KENSINGTON
FOOTSCRAY
SEDDON
YARRAVILLE
SPOTSWOOD
NEWPORT
LAVERTON
AIRCRAFT
HOPPERS CROSSING
WERRIBEE

Personally, I'd be happy if they just listed all three altonas as "express" to dictate it. I do understand it's using a different line but I think there should be an easier way to read it quickly.
(Stopping pattern letters are a whole 'nother kettle of fish)
  spottyrahr Chief Commissioner

I had Comeng trains arriving in 1981, the Werribee line getting sparked in 1983, Westona opening in mid 1985, and Paisley, Galvin and Mobiltown closing in early 1985.

I completely forgot about Williamstown Racecourse station (1860-1940) until I checked here.
http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/line/werribee

After contemplating the situation I'm convinced the spaces represent Galvin and Paisley because I've never seen PIDs at Richmond displaying

Next Train FLINDERS STREET
- - -
- - -
- - -
---
Flinders Street
"Gauntlet"


And what stations would this train be skipping? Flinders St is the next station from Richmond? What would be skipped?

The ".." don't represent every station. The Frankston express and the Pakenham express don't have "..." for every station missed.

And does it really matter that much?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I had Comeng trains arriving in 1981, the Werribee line getting sparked in 1983, Westona opening in mid 1985, and Paisley, Galvin and Mobiltown closing in early 1985.

I completely forgot about Williamstown Racecourse station (1860-1940) until I checked here.
http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/line/werribee

After contemplating the situation I'm convinced the spaces represent Galvin and Paisley because I've never seen PIDs at Richmond displaying

Next Train FLINDERS STREET
- - -
- - -
- - -
---
Flinders Street
"Gauntlet"


And what stations would this train be skipping? Flinders St is the next station from Richmond? What would be skipped?

The ".." don't represent every station. The Frankston express and the Pakenham express don't have "..." for every station missed.

And does it really matter that much?
"spottyrahr"

It would skip Parliament, Melbourne Central, Flagstaff  and Southern Cross, (but not Princes Bridge.)

If the Werribee train was running express via Altona there would have been three sets of dashes.
  spottyrahr Chief Commissioner

I had Comeng trains arriving in 1981, the Werribee line getting sparked in 1983, Westona opening in mid 1985, and Paisley, Galvin and Mobiltown closing in early 1985.

I completely forgot about Williamstown Racecourse station (1860-1940) until I checked here.
http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/line/werribee

After contemplating the situation I'm convinced the spaces represent Galvin and Paisley because I've never seen PIDs at Richmond displaying

Next Train FLINDERS STREET
- - -
- - -
- - -
---
Flinders Street
"Gauntlet"


And what stations would this train be skipping? Flinders St is the next station from Richmond? What would be skipped?

The ".." don't represent every station. The Frankston express and the Pakenham express don't have "..." for every station missed.

And does it really matter that much?
"spottyrahr"

It would skip Parliament, Melbourne Central, Flagstaff  and Southern Cross, (but not Princes Bridge.)

If the Werribee train was running express via Altona there would have been three sets of dashes.
"Gauntlet"

If a train was missing those stations it wouldn't be a Flinders St service it would be a city loop service.
  Speed Minister for Railways

Nonetheless, it would have those gaps there for each of the loop stations.

I agree that two gaps does seem to imply Paisley and Galvin.
  RailwayBus Locomotive Driver

I will settle this once and for all.

City Loop Trains which are altered to run direct, will have - - - shown for each station between Parliament and Southern Cross.

The two gaps between Newport and Laverton ARE Paisley and Galvin. They are in the system and can be displayed at any time.

http://www.vicsig.net/photo/20071029_pids_northmelbourne.jpg
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
There are other closed stations in the system too. For example, a Marshall train is "running express from North Melbourne to Little River, stopping all stations to South Geelong, then running express from South Geelong to Marshall". This implies that Breakwater is still in the system. I *think* General Motors is the same.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I got a friend who was playing around with Photoshop and Helvetica to make me an artificial PID for the Werribee line, express Newport to Laverton.

It's in .PSD at the moment but if I can be bothered installing photoshop, I'll post it as .png for y'all if you like.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
At Flinders Street platform 10 I noticed an odd PID.

It was for the 2:56 Seymour service stopping Donnybrook, Wallan, Heathcote Junction, Wandong, Kilmore East, Broadford, Tallarook and Seymour.
Next Train was the 4:01 Southern Cross.

Was this a real service, I thought all down trains to Seymour started at Southern Cross?
(The PIDs on the concourse also mentioned it.)
  vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
At Flinders Street platform 10 I noticed an odd PID.

It was for the 2:56 Seymour service stopping Donnybrook, Wallan, Heathcote Junction, Wandong, Kilmore East, Broadford, Tallarook and Seymour.
Next Train was the 4:01 Southern Cross.

Was this a real service, I thought all down trains to Seymour started at Southern Cross?
(The PIDs on the concourse also mentioned it.)
"Gauntlet"


Quite interesting, that one.

The train is the arrival of the 1255 up ex Traralgon, due into Flinders Street 1455, out at 1456, and into Southern Cross at 1501. Upon arrival, it forms the 1513 down Seymour.

So technically its correct, however, the train only stops to set down passengers at Flinders Street, not pick up those for onward destinations, making it misleading to passengers who try and board and could be pulled up by the conductor for doing so!

Something they need to look into I guess! Either show up Traralgon/Sale/Bairnsdale services as going through to their destinations beyond Southern Cross if its a passenger service, and let people on, or show it as they used to/still do? - 'Southern Cross - not taking suburban passengers'
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
I have seen (And have a photo somewhere) of a PID at Southern Cross P2 displaying a Flinders St train departing in 35 minutes..
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Here, After a request via PM, I'm sharing this, Just hadda be bothered to install CS5 again.

I think there is a mistake in this, I can't remember what it was, but there's what I think a quite obvious mistake, but It's okay. I'll recognize it if I see it floating around the internet elsewhere and don't have to ruin it with a giant copyright thingy.

As for the information displayed

I accidently ended up on it once after getting to work too early and had to come home, the second time, I was coming home after finishing and managed to realise that if I waited for the train after the next two, I'd get home soonest.
  712M Chief Commissioner

At Flinders Street platform 10 I noticed an odd PID.

It was for the 2:56 Seymour service stopping Donnybrook, Wallan, Heathcote Junction, Wandong, Kilmore East, Broadford, Tallarook and Seymour.
Next Train was the 4:01 Southern Cross.

Was this a real service, I thought all down trains to Seymour started at Southern Cross?
(The PIDs on the concourse also mentioned it.)
"Gauntlet"


Quite interesting, that one.

The train is the arrival of the 1255 up ex Traralgon, due into Flinders Street 1455, out at 1456, and into Southern Cross at 1501. Upon arrival, it forms the 1513 down Seymour.

So technically its correct, however, the train only stops to set down passengers at Flinders Street, not pick up those for onward destinations, making it misleading to passengers who try and board and could be pulled up by the conductor for doing so!

Something they need to look into I guess! Either show up Traralgon/Sale/Bairnsdale services as going through to their destinations beyond Southern Cross if its a passenger service, and let people on, or show it as they used to/still do? - 'Southern Cross - not taking suburban passengers'
"vlinecars"


Same thing happens to the 0450 up Traralgon as well..
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
I'll ruin your fun. The mistake is that the 0746 Werribee doesn't stop at South Kensington.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'll ruin your fun. The mistake is that the 0746 Werribee doesn't stop at South Kensington.
"tomohawk"


South Kensington is correct.
Staff to Tommohawk... Wait, What?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Today (March 31st) while catching a Sandringham train from Flinders Street I noticed that according to  the PID on platform 12 the next train would be the 1:59 Epping via the City Loop (and then the 3:24 Sandringham).

[bigimg]http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/Gauntlet0/epping019.jpg[/bigimg]

RIP Fotopic.
  712M Chief Commissioner

[bigimg]http://i56.tinypic.com/xztyc.jpg[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://i55.tinypic.com/8xljdx.jpg[/bigimg]
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

The new clocks at Windsor will briefly count backwards, skip numbers, and jump forwards.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I've noticed the same thing happening with the platform clocks at Ringwood, Nunawading and even Flinders Street.

Keeping on topic, this one was a beauty from 8/6/2010, at Box Hill:

[img]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2688/20100608piderroratboxhi.th.jpg[/img]
All Flinders Street trains will terminate at Belgrave until further notice. Alternative transport will be arranged.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
I've noticed the same thing happening with the platform clocks at Ringwood, Nunawading and even Flinders Street.

Keeping on topic, this one was a beauty from 8/6/2010, at Box Hill:

[img]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2688/20100608piderroratboxhi.th.jpg[/img]
All Flinders Street trains will terminate at Belgrave until further notice. Alternative transport will be arranged.
"Heihachi_73"
Meh.  Someone set disruption mode the wrong way.

Sponsored advertisement

Subscribers: ShaunClarke, T411

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.