Sydney Light Rail Extension

 
  snowy446 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Somewhere on a train
From what i hear they are going ahead with the Dulwich Hill & Circular Quay Expansion
http://lightrailextension.metrotransport.com.au
PDF Report
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/file/rail/Sydney-Light-Rail-Inner-West-Extension-Draft-Report.pdf

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  trainfreak8495 Banned

Location: Banned
I dont know whats happening there, it states in wikipedia that:

Norton Street  
Allen Street  
Marion Street  
Kegworth  
Lewisham-Summer Hill (Interchange Lewisham Station)
Old Canterbury Road  
Waratah  
Constitution Road  
Dulwich Hill Shops (New Canterbury Road)  
Dulwich Hill (Interchange Dulwich Hill Station)
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I can't see it being much of an interchange with the station, as the current goods line is at the bottom of the hill, quite a decent walk from the station...
  trainfreak8495 Banned

Location: Banned
IS it really? i never go down there anyway.
  slacker Train Controller

The document states that the Lewisham station entrance is "approx 300m" from the proposed tram stop (p. 36).

Not really an ideal interchange, but it's a great place for a tram stop with all those houses there and also with easy access to the line.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
How would the Dulwich Hill interchange work out, as a light rail station on the curve of the triangle is some distance from the railway station?
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
How would the Dulwich Hill interchange work out, as a light rail station on the curve of the triangle is some distance from the railway station?
"awsgc24"


Some distance yeah right its barely 5 mins walk.
  UrbanMyth Locomotive Fireman

We really need a CBD loop. This is the only thing that will make a future tram network in Sydney successful and the only thing that will push out this chaotic mess of buses that converge on the city centre.

I hope they will run them up and down George Street as proposed.  8)
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Down Pitt street from Sydney Terminal forecourt stop all the way to Cicular Quay and return back up George street would make a lot of sense.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
We really need a CBD loop. This is the only thing that will make a future tram network in Sydney successful and the only thing that will push out this chaotic mess of buses that converge on the city centre.
"UrbanMyth"


Here! Here!
  Speed Minister for Railways

I know that the Lord Mayor is trying to get the buses out of the CBD. I hope that it doesn't eventuate.

Buses are likely to remain the way that many people get to the city. Streets like York Street and George Street have been aligned with buses in mind. If the buses get sent elsewhere, other streets will need to be widened and realigned to suit buses. Making northern beaches passengers all alight at North Sydney for example would add time to the journey and increase crowding on trains crossing the Bridge.

A CBD loop could use Pitt Street or Kent Street (returning via Elisabeth Street) just as well while retaining the buses. It's not like every passenger is going to George Street.

Running trams along George Street would also mean that you'd have to close the tram line on parade days like Melbourne does Swanston Street.
  dat581 Chief Train Controller

Location: The Shire
Streets like York Street and George Street have been aligned with buses in mind.


Rubbish! George and York Streets were not aligned for buses in the slightest, they have been around for much longer than buses have. If anything George Street started out like most streets in the CBD as a dirt road starting at the harbour end and heading south. The only modification from tram to bus was to rip up or tar over the tram tracks and to paint a bus lane in more recent times.

As for closing the tram line on a day such as ANZAC day who cares? Once the parade has passed it can open again.
  dat581 Chief Train Controller

Location: The Shire
George St has NEVER ben re aligned. Do you notice those rather large buildings along each side? Quite alot of them are older than buses too and would have been knocked down to re-align the street. I don't know where you get this re-alignment idea from but it really is complete rubbish. The street has not been moved at all since the tram tracks where removed so it can't have been re-aligned for buses.

As for closing the street for a parade it happens now. So what? The buses get stopped but the trains running underground are not affected so what's your point?  Rolling Eyes
  4001firstdiesel Chief Commissioner

Location: GONE!!!! TIRED OF THE ABUSE AND PERSONAL ATTACKS
George Street: 1 or 2 tracks?

Thanks,
Ben
  dat581 Chief Train Controller

Location: The Shire
What do you mean? It had two tracks before 1960 and if tracks are relaid for the MLR it who be two as well. Can't see them putting only one track in George st.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I know that the Lord Mayor is trying to get the buses out of the CBD. I hope that it doesn't eventuate.

Buses are likely to remain the way that many people get to the city. Streets like York Street and George Street have been aligned with buses in mind. If the buses get sent elsewhere, other streets will need to be widened and realigned to suit buses. Making northern beaches passengers all alight at North Sydney for example would add time to the journey and increase crowding on trains crossing the Bridge.

A CBD loop could use Pitt Street or Kent Street (returning via Elisabeth Street) just as well while retaining the buses. It's not like every passenger is going to George Street.

Running trams along George Street would also mean that you'd have to close the tram line on parade days like Melbourne does Swanston Street.
"Speed"


what a load of rubbish. As can be seen at this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Trams) the entire bus network runs on what used to be the tram network. So anybody who says that trams won't work in sydney have no idea of sydneys past. Sydney used to live by the trams before they were unceremoniously ripped from the city they served.

bring them back the more the better.
  dat581 Chief Train Controller

Location: The Shire
After the Dulwich Hill and Baragaroo extensions are completed the next logical addition is of course George St but where to from there? I'd rebuild the line down ANZAC Pde to Maroubra Junction. The right of way is still there, in use buy buses at the northern end and unused at the southern end.

The station at the end of the line can be designed so a bus can drive up to the platform to drop off passengers, then a tram from the city can pull in, drop it's passengers off on one side then open the other side doors to pick up city bound passengers. Simple and quick. Extend the carpark on the southern side of Maroubra Rd in such a way so that the line can be extended south in the future.
  bobharris2002 Train Controller

Haven't seen it anywhere on this site yet, but just a little info in this morning's Herald, that the NSW state government is not going to include the Sydney Light Rail into the integrated ticketing system. This state government goes from worse to worser if there is such a word.
  Speed Minister for Railways

Here you are:
As the government prepares to lodge the project application for additional tram lines between Dulwich Hill and Circular Quay, the new Transport Minister, John Robertson, said no change was expected to present ticketing arrangements.

Under the MyZone ticketing system commuters can combine their travel on public buses, trains, ferries and private buses under a single ticket. Light rail is excluded.

The convener of the advocacy group Eco Transit, Gavin Gatenby, said Mr Robertson's stance was a departure from that of his predecessor, David Campbell, who resigned in May.

''Under Campbell, we got the strong impression there would be serious negotiations with Metro Light Rail to work out details of MyZone integration,'' Mr Gatenby said. ''We got the feeling negotiations would proceed quickly.''

In a letter from Mr Roberston to the Labor MP Linda Burney, the minister explained why private buses, but not light rail, had been included in the MyZone system. ''Private bus operators provide a service on the NSW Government's behalf in areas where Sydney buses does not operate,'' Mr Robertson wrote.  ''The Metro Light Rail is a service that provides a transport alternative to bus and CityRail services.''
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/integrated-ticketing-optimism-crushed-20100712-107yz.html

That would apply also to the monorail.
  Veyron407 Junior Train Controller

Here you are:
As the government prepares to lodge the project application for additional tram lines between Dulwich Hill and Circular Quay, the new Transport Minister, John Robertson, said no change was expected to present ticketing arrangements.

Under the MyZone ticketing system commuters can combine their travel on public buses, trains, ferries and private buses under a single ticket. Light rail is excluded.

The convener of the advocacy group Eco Transit, Gavin Gatenby, said Mr Robertson's stance was a departure from that of his predecessor, David Campbell, who resigned in May.

''Under Campbell, we got the strong impression there would be serious negotiations with Metro Light Rail to work out details of MyZone integration,'' Mr Gatenby said. ''We got the feeling negotiations would proceed quickly.''

In a letter from Mr Roberston to the Labor MP Linda Burney, the minister explained why private buses, but not light rail, had been included in the MyZone system. ''Private bus operators provide a service on the NSW Government's behalf in areas where Sydney buses does not operate,'' Mr Robertson wrote.  ''The Metro Light Rail is a service that provides a transport alternative to bus and CityRail services.''
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/integrated-ticketing-optimism-crushed-20100712-107yz.html

That would apply also to the monorail.
"Speed"


Dosn't the Monorail have it's own smartcard system already?
  bobharris2002 Train Controller

Thanks, that seems to cover it completely.
  Speed Minister for Railways

It has the Metrocard, which is reloadable. It's cheaper than a single ticket if you're a regular traveller.

The point with the lobbying above is not what technology is available. Most of the technology used by MyZone was supposed to be replaced in time for the 2000 Olympics.

The point is more:
  • that the trams don't attract the same subsidies that government buses do and are thus more expensive
  • that there are no multi-modal tickets whereby you can switch from bus-to-tram or train-to-monorail without additional ticket purchase
  bobharris2002 Train Controller

That's fine as far as it goes, but it still does not address how dumb the government is for not implimenting the light rail, and maybe the mono rail to the ticketing system.

But then again, I don't think that this government will be around when the extensions are finished.
  4001firstdiesel Chief Commissioner

Location: GONE!!!! TIRED OF THE ABUSE AND PERSONAL ATTACKS
Here you are: the new Transport Minister, John Robertson, said no change was expected to present ticketing arrangements.
"Speed"


Rolling EyesRolling Eyes.

Cheers,
Ben
  Tonymercury Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Botany NSW
If yoou must insist in believing what you see in the media, please don't read the following-

Tuesday, 13 July 2010
LIGHT RAIL TO BE PART OF ELECTRONIC TICKETING NETWORK
Minister for Transport John Robertson today said the NSW Government expects light rail to be part of Sydney’s electronic ticketing network, along with trains, government buses and ferries, and private buses.

“Electronic ticketing will allow commuters to tap on and tap off between different modes of transport,” Mr Robertson said. “The new system will make using public transport easier and more convenient for commuters.
“The Government has already signed on the company behind London’s ‘Oyster Card’ system to deliver electronic ticketing system for Greater Sydney.
“We expect light rail to be part of Sydney’s electronic ticketing and Transport NSW will be negotiating agreement on this with the private operator.”

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