Albury V/Line services after conversion?

 
  Veyron407 Junior Train Controller

Once conversion is complete, how many daily V/Line services will there be on the Albury Line and what types of rollingstock will they consist of?

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  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I might be wrong but I think there will be up to 5 daily services each way. 2 x XPT and 3 x N Sets (regauged).
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
The N sets have already had internal modifications carried out to make them more suitable for the service and will be gauge converted closer to the actual resumption of services date.  Very Happy
  woodford Chief Commissioner

richiebogie posted this on the 2nd of June......

From the ARTC Master Train Plan, there is currently only 1 return trip booked each day on the SG per N-Set, with 2 sets stabled in Albury overnight...

The 5 daily services currently booked from Albury to Melbourne are:

4:15am (XPT 1 up)
6:35am (Vline 1 up)
12:10pm (Vline 2 up)
3:22pm (XPT 2 up)
5:45pm (Vline 3 up)

and the 5 from Melbourne to Albury are:

7:10am (XPT 1 down)
8:30am (Vline 3 down)
12:20pm (Vline 1 down)
6:00pm (Vline 2 down)
7:55pm (XPT 2 down)
  712M Chief Commissioner

The N sets have already had internal modifications carried out to make them more suitable for the service and will be gauge converted closer to the actual resumption of services date.  Very Happy
"L1150"


What internal modifications have been made?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The N sets have already had internal modifications carried out to make them more suitable for the service and will be gauge converted closer to the actual resumption of services date.  Very Happy
"L1150"

What internal modifications have been made?
"712M"

New aircon system, no noisy backup genset under the floor (it is now in the luggage van), and a paper sign on carriage 'C' telling booked seat passengers they are up in car 'E' because the computer system cannot tell the new and old sets apart.
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I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The N sets have already had internal modifications carried out to make them more suitable for the service and will be gauge converted closer to the actual resumption of services date.  Very Happy
"L1150"

What internal modifications have been made?
"712M"

New aircon system, no noisy backup genset under the floor (it is now in the luggage van), and a paper sign on carriage 'C' telling booked seat passengers they are up in car 'E' because the computer system cannot tell the new and old sets apart.
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/vline-bits/image/595/E103_0104.jpg[/img]

I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


We apologies (sic) ..........can't they get anything right or don't they know the difference...
  712M Chief Commissioner

I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


This may be because at the moment VLocities can be occasionally seen running Albury services (but terminating at Seymour of course).
  LegendsofSteam Junior Train Controller

richiebogie posted this on the 2nd of June......

From the ARTC Master Train Plan, there is currently only 1 return trip booked each day on the SG per N-Set, with 2 sets stabled in Albury overnight...

The 5 from Melbourne to Albury are:

7:10am (XPT 1 down)
8:30am (Vline 3 down)

12:20pm (Vline 1 down)
6:00pm (Vline 2 down)
7:55pm (XPT 2 down)
"woodford"

The first two should be the other way round as the XPT still won't arrive in Melb. before 0735Hrs, so no way it could form a 0710Hrs departure out of Melb. for Syd.

0710Hrs Albury Departure will be the VLP service, 0830Hrs departure will be the existing XPT to Syd.
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
The first two should be the other way round as the XPT still won't arrive in Melb. before 0735Hrs, so no way it could form a 0710Hrs departure out of Melb. for Syd.

0710Hrs Albury Departure will be the VLP service, 0830Hrs departure will be the existing XPT to Syd.
"LegendsofSteam"

7:10am is a little bit earlier than any other intercity departure.. the 8:35am is a bit more of a friendly time for most but I wonder which would get the most 'local' (as far as Albury) travellers if they are promoted equally in the V/Line timetable?

Personally I'd go for the V/Line service, apart from my train crank reasons it'd be more reliable.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The first two should be the other way round as the XPT still won't arrive in Melb. before 0735Hrs, so no way it could form a 0710Hrs departure out of Melb. for Syd.

0710Hrs Albury Departure will be the VLP service, 0830Hrs departure will be the existing XPT to Syd.
"LegendsofSteam"

7:10am is a little earli'r than any oth'r int'rcity departure operated by VLP.. personally me thinks I will be getting a sp'rk at 6am or some stupid ho'r as I'd rather sleep in th'n sleep a couple more hours to get a cr'ppy C***nty-miss'ng-link tra'n...  ExclamationSmileSadQuestionIdea
"Somebody in the WWW"


Oh no.
  dkaarma Chief Train Controller

Can anyone remember if that timetable is similar to the pre coach replacement services timetable? Currently the coach departs Albury at 9am


Also, after the coach replacement services finish will V/Line still subsidise seats on the XPT
  vlocity160 V/Gunzel

Not only would it be more reliable no doubt it would be cheaper. V/Line services to Albury were cheaper prior to standardisation then that of the XPT. I'm assuming that it still will be the case after standardisation.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Can anyone remember if that timetable is similar to the pre coach replacement services timetable? Currently the coach departs Albury at 9am


Also, after the coach replacement services finish will V/Line still subsidise seats on the XPT
"dkaarma"


Taken from a post I put up on the 2nd June on the NE to SG thread.

Times for BG from september 2006 timetable

From Albury

6:20am
12:25pm
5:40pm

From Melbourne

8:13am
12:10pm
5:10pm

So very little change apart from the XPT services which I certainly will reserve judgment on till I see how it goes. Hmmm having to be in Benalla before 0600 (late edit, pardon me 0500 as the XPT's time at Benalla is 0526) to hopefully catch a train on time, not that I am being pessimistic or anything but.........
So likely still looking at a packed VLine morning train. Leaving Albury 15 minutes latter unless it is doing more than 110KPH will miss the 0910 Seymour train......blast Sad

An annoucement back in 2008 said that the XPT would be coming under a common ticketing system to allow access. What that meant or means now is anyone guess though
  woodford Chief Commissioner

richiebogie posted this on the 2nd of June......

From the ARTC Master Train Plan, there is currently only 1 return trip booked each day on the SG per N-Set, with 2 sets stabled in Albury overnight...

The 5 from Melbourne to Albury are:

7:10am (XPT 1 down)
8:30am (Vline 3 down)

12:20pm (Vline 1 down)
6:00pm (Vline 2 down)
7:55pm (XPT 2 down)
"woodford"

The first two should be the other way round as the XPT still won't arrive in Melb. before 0735Hrs, so no way it could form a 0710Hrs departure out of Melb. for Syd.

0710Hrs Albury Departure will be the VLP service, 0830Hrs departure will be the existing XPT to Syd.
"LegendsofSteam"


Looks like there may be an error here, 0830 is the current departure time of the north bound XPT and I would say 0710 is way to early for a down pass to Albury. The old departure time of the morning train was 0813. A Time of 0810 in place of 0710 may make a little bit of sense except being a stopping all stations it would have the XPT breathing down its neck by Albury.
  woodford Chief Commissioner



I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


Not some thing I have heard around the Benalla area although it would be fairly safe to say there are plenty of people who will be happy to get any decent  train service back. Every one I have talked does the same as I currently do, that is drive down to Seymour.

The car park at Seymour is currently murder If you are not down there by 0845  you are parking in Goulburn st and there is very little on street parking close to the station. The station staff have told me there are people driving down from as far as Yarrawonga.

Woodford
  Taitset Chief Commissioner

Location: Eltham, (former) vintage safeworking capital of Melbourne


I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


Not some thing I have heard around the Benalla area although it would be fairly safe to say there are plenty of people who will be happy to get any decent  train service back. Every one I have talked does the same as I currently do, that is drive down to Seymour.
"woodford"

I spoke to a couple from Euroa who were sick to death of buses and asked me what the new trains would be like when they finally turned up... They were very suprised when I told them it would be the same type of trains, just a few slight modifications. So the misconception is certainly out there.

Personally I find N sets vastly more comfortable than VLocitys on long distance runs anyway, but that's just my opinion.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

They are more comfortable, just a bit slower.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line


I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


Not some thing I have heard around the Benalla area although it would be fairly safe to say there are plenty of people who will be happy to get any decent  train service back. Every one I have talked does the same as I currently do, that is drive down to Seymour.

The car park at Seymour is currently murder If you are not down there by 0845  you are parking in Goulburn st and there is very little on street parking close to the station. The station staff have told me there are people driving down from as far as Yarrawonga.

Woodford
"woodford"


Yeah funny that, and thanks for the info from a third person without an agenda.

Over on another thread there are those who advocate a bus instead of a train because they believe the return of a train can't or won't attract more pax than a bus.

Mike.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned


I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


Not some thing I have heard around the Benalla area although it would be fairly safe to say there are plenty of people who will be happy to get any decent  train service back. Every one I have talked does the same as I currently do, that is drive down to Seymour.

The car park at Seymour is currently murder If you are not down there by 0845  you are parking in Goulburn st and there is very little on street parking close to the station. The station staff have told me there are people driving down from as far as Yarrawonga.

Woodford
"woodford"


Yeah funny that, and thanks for the info from a third person without an agenda.

Over on another thread there are those who advocate a bus instead of a train because they believe the return of a train can't or won't attract more pax than a bus.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"


Mike dont start here keep the smart comments in your own thread. Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line


I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


Not some thing I have heard around the Benalla area although it would be fairly safe to say there are plenty of people who will be happy to get any decent  train service back. Every one I have talked does the same as I currently do, that is drive down to Seymour.

The car park at Seymour is currently murder If you are not down there by 0845  you are parking in Goulburn st and there is very little on street parking close to the station. The station staff have told me there are people driving down from as far as Yarrawonga.

Woodford
"woodford"


Yeah funny that, and thanks for the info from a third person without an agenda.

Over on another thread there are those who advocate a bus instead of a train because they believe the return of a train can't or won't attract more pax than a bus.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"


Mike dont start here keep the smart comments in your own thread. Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad
"42101"


Ohh, I wasn't aware this is a PRIVATE thread...
  spottyrahr Chief Commissioner



I have heard that many people along the North East line are expecting to see brand new VLocity trains when services return - they are going to love 1980s N sets with a new paintjob, curtains and seat fabric... Exclamation
"wongm"


Not some thing I have heard around the Benalla area although it would be fairly safe to say there are plenty of people who will be happy to get any decent  train service back. Every one I have talked does the same as I currently do, that is drive down to Seymour.

The car park at Seymour is currently murder If you are not down there by 0845  you are parking in Goulburn st and there is very little on street parking close to the station. The station staff have told me there are people driving down from as far as Yarrawonga.

Woodford
"woodford"


Yeah funny that, and thanks for the info from a third person without an agenda.

Over on another thread there are those who advocate a bus instead of a train because they believe the return of a train can't or won't attract more pax than a bus.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"


That wasn't what anyone said Mike. Stop trying to cause arguments so you can cry foul to the mods.

Of course people can not wait until the train returns. The train would most likely provide a more direct route. As opposed to the bus having to leave town, get into the highway, off the highway into the next town, make its way to the station, and then repeat.

Hopefully when the standard gauge track conversion is finished we might be able to see some common use rolling stock in NSW/Vic. Sharing an order for carriages might make buying more cars an attractive option.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Generally agreed Exclamation

My point is potential bus pax who could travel on the V/Line replacement buses, along the Albury line are driving sometimes over 150KM to Seymour to pick up the train, rather than travel by bus.
  spottyrahr Chief Commissioner

Generally agreed Exclamation

My point is potential bus pax who could travel on the V/Line replacement buses, along the Albury line are driving sometimes over 150KM to Seymour to pick up the train, rather than travel by bus.
"The Vinelander"



I think you'll find they travel down because it's quicker then getting on the replacement bus. The logic would seem to be "If I have to change I might as well just drive down"

It's not an issue with the buses. It's an issue of the replacement going on for such a long time. People will accept changing modes of transport during construction, but when it stretches on for a long period of time it becomes to come annoying. Yes they are probably spending money on petrol but it's probably more comfortable for them to drive down and wait at the station then it is to have to go to their own station wait for the bus, journey on and off the highway and through towns which would probably have their own traffic to delay it.

Plus, if they get there earlier they can jump on the train before the buses arrive and get a good seat.
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

After correcting for my error (thanks for spotting that), it appears that the Albury services in the ARTC Master Train Plan could be handled by only 2 SG N-Sets, and the XPTs:

5 daily services currently booked from Albury to Melbourne:

4:15am (XPT 1 up)
6:35am (Vline 1 up)
12:10pm (Vline 2 up)
3:22pm (XPT 2 up)
5:45pm (Vline 1 up)

5 from Melbourne to Albury are:

7:10am (Vline 2 down)
8:30am (XPT 1 down)
12:21pm (Vline 1 down)
6:00pm (Vline 2 down)
7:55pm (XPT 2 down)

The 3rd SG N-Set must be a spare for maintenance.

The ARTC Master Train Plan has the code 'XPT' against all of these passenger services. I have allowed 14 minutes to get from Southern Cross to Tottenham, as 14 minutes is required for the XPT. Also the XPT's are changed and refuelled in Sydney, so at least 3 sets are required from one day to the next:

http://www.artc.com.au/library/MTP_2010-04-25_NSWVIC%20600.pdf
http://www.artc.com.au/library/MTP_2010-04-25_NSWVIC%20700.pdf

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