Albury V/Line services after conversion?

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
In part I agree with your sentiments however what is overlooked is not so much the population of Swan Hill which is about 8000 people but the true end of the line with a population is about 60000 people and the local MP has just gone from a National Party to an independent in part on a platform pun intended of improving VLine public transport to Melbourne.
That will not be utilising clapped-out 40-year-old unreliable rolling stock.
This message has been written , voice-to-text without my glasses on as I travel to cobblebank... there for errors and omissions must be accepted please.

Mike

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The above comments with a proviso...that they do not include the proposal for the outback Victoria tourist train, probably an ex standard gauge N set which the Member for Mildura has submitted as a proposal to Treasurer Tim Pallas.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Guys I was just talking with @Duncs and wanted to confirm here what is the max carriage number for a passenger service available on the North East Line to Albury?

We thought

Seymour
Benalla
Wangaratta
Albury

could have 8 carriages?
  NimbleJack Locomotive Fireman

Guys I was just talking with @Duncs and wanted to confirm here what is the max carriage number for a passenger service available on the North East Line to Albury?

We thought

Seymour
Benalla
Wangaratta
Albury

could have 8 carriages?
bevans
Seymour, Benalla and Wangaratta could each fit eight carriages - nine if you're feeling especially brave and leave off both the locomotive and power van.

Albury's back platform could accommodate at least a dozen, though you wouldn't be able to do a runaround. The main platform is almost half a kilometre long.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Guys I was just talking with @Duncs and wanted to confirm here what is the max carriage number for a passenger service available on the North East Line to Albury?

We thought

Seymour
Benalla
Wangaratta
Albury

could have 8 carriages?
bevans
In the 70's and prior to introduction of N sets  trains on the Albury service were actually set up to cover ticket sales on the down or for the return journey. Plenty of spare cars. In fact we had to come off the train on a few occasions when Carriage Foreman decided to add additional cars. Mark Bau lists this consist in 1977
7.20am ex Albury "Albury Express" due at 11.55, arrived 11.49 am

S 304 - B 69 - VP 125 - BP 74 - VP 114 - 69 BW - 7 AW - 6 BZ - 3 MBS - 1 AZ - 6 CE


In fact I remember an S Class as  my main engine, two VP's (one for Mann's super market and second for Arnotts biscuits) a BP for extra luggage, three steel cars (one  a mini buffet) and three red wooden cars (w or E cars) and always a blue CE about 6 pass cars up until 1980 or so.
Then along came the N sets. They tried 3 cars and a van, very quickly went to two sets and then went back to 1 set after increasing the sets to 4 cars and refused ticket sales from there after because they lost capacity. The new norm was 4 cars with a D van. This was the reality up until the SG 5 car sets plus power / luggage van
  NimbleJack Locomotive Fireman

This was the reality up until the SG 5 car sets plus power / luggage van
comtrain
Thanks for the informative post.

Note that SG sets nowadays comprise four passenger cars plus a PCJ/PZ.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
One of the reasons I ask is account the persistent notion I have for a Yarrawonga service replacing the slow and rough bus service from Benalla to Yarrawonga.  If and I mean if services could be re-introduced (and they should in my view) I was thinking of a combined 6 car Vlocity service with a two car connected making 8 cars. Once the down arrived at Benalla the two cars at the back could be split off and they could head to Yarrawonga.

A return service could be the reverse where the cars from Yarrawonga arrive at Benalla and are then followed into the platform by the UP Albury Service.
  NimbleJack Locomotive Fireman

You'd be better off splitting the 6-car set or running connecting SG Sprinter shuttles. No one wants orphan two-car VLocity sets floating around.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
You'd be better off splitting the 6-car set or running connecting SG Sprinter shuttles. No one wants orphan two-car VLocity sets floating around.
NimbleJack
The only problem I can see is that a three car set might replace it during maintenance (work that could not be completed overnight)
I believe XPT and Explorer "orphans" were available from first introduction. Although permanently coupled, these things can be switched out if required.
Probably not done on BG sets because they have spare sets. However on the SG sets, it could be used to prevent bustitution and save those extra costs?
Talk about running a service each day on to Wagga has been around for some time. A local "wag" suggests the two 3 car sets were being built to allow the North end set to continue on to Wagga and return and be recombined with the other three cars returning on the up. If delays occurred to the Wagga set, they still could run a reduced service.
Well if that was true, but I doubt it, at least one possible reason for this stupidity does possibly exist.
Cheers
Rod
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You'd be better off splitting the 6-car set or running connecting SG Sprinter shuttles. No one wants orphan two-car VLocity sets floating around.
NimbleJack

Would they be floating around?

Do you think it better to run a separate SG sprinter set and not split at Benalla?

P.S Lots of interesting Yarrawonga images Yarrawonga / Locations / Railpage

Perhaps we should move Yarrawonga discussion to here Yarrawonga passenger service (Page 1) / Victoria / Forums / Railpage
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

You'd be better off splitting the 6-car set or running connecting SG Sprinter shuttles. No one wants orphan two-car VLocity sets floating around.
NimbleJack
I agree. And when the V/Locities have been fully introduced, there will be 18 or so Sprinters spare.


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

In part I agree with your sentiments however what is overlooked is not so much the population of Swan Hill which is about 8000 people but the true end of the line with a population is about 60000 people and the local MP has just gone from a National Party to an independent in part on a platform pun intended of improving VLine public transport to Melbourne.
That will not be utilising clapped-out 40-year-old unreliable rolling stock.
This message has been written , voice-to-text without my glasses on as I travel to cobblebank... there for errors and omissions must be accepted please.

Mike
The Vinelander
Lets hope they introduce new rolling stock if indeed a service to Mildura is reintroduced. However the temptation is there to do what the Government has done for the trams. That is to rebuild Trams that should have been scrapped long ago. Victoria has so much old clapped out crap which will become surplus, that in order to save money . . .


Michael
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is it tine there was a plan for use sprinters on the standard gauge ?

If so where would they be serviced ?
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Is it tine there was a plan for use sprinters on the standard gauge ?

If so where would they be serviced ?
freightgate
I would think that if a Service Facility was to be built in the North East, the ideal place would be the isolated land near Albury Station. Cut off by the Freeway on one side and the Railway and City of Albury on the other. Bombardier Transportation could possibly use this facility to service equipment both sides of the border. This could be more important if they actually get to build NSW's replacement for long distant travel in the future, which was touted during the run up to the last elections there.
For those who say that Victoria would not build in NSW, I would say it would probably be Bombardia, and secondly, don't forget that the Victoria Health Department runs both the Wodonga Hospital and the Albury Hospital as an integrated unit.
As to Sprinters being used up here at Albury? Dont forget it was already tried and failed, a few years back. Three units without connections between cars using aircraft style food carts was rather painful.
Cheers
Rod
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The Sprinters would not be used for long distance runs.  No need for food trolleys.   I presume the Yarrawonga run was the idea.  Even Wangaratta - Albury shorts?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I think the ideal location for a maintenance facility on the North East line would be Seymour as it could also service the BG fleet used for Seymour/Shepparton runs.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Seymour might work is your are basing some sprinters out of the north for Wangaratta and Albury and Benalla and Yarrawonga.

Stabling would be required at Benalla creating jobs there is certainly space available.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I think the ideal location for a maintenance facility on the North East line would be Seymour as it could also service the BG fleet used for Seymour/Shepparton runs.
"railblogger"
Reverting to its roots - Seymour was a railway town in "the good old days." The ideal location for a maintenance facility is fully occupied by SRHC, once a volunteer-based heritage train operator and now a thriving diesel repair, paint, and hire organisation.
I agree with the choice of Seymour, but I wonder where any new facility would be situated.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Seymour might work is your are basing some sprinters out of the north for Wangaratta and Albury and Benalla and Yarrawonga.

Stabling would be required at Benalla creating jobs there is certainly space available.
freightgate

You could stable at Yarrawonga.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I would think that if a Service Facility was to be built in the North East, the ideal place would be the isolated land near Albury Station. Cut off by the Freeway on one side and the Railway and City of Albury on the other. Bombardier Transportation could possibly use this facility to service equipment both sides of the border. This could be more important if they actually get to build NSW's replacement for long distant travel in the future, which was touted during the run up to the last elections there.
For those who say that Victoria would not build in NSW, I would say it would probably be Bombardia, and secondly, don't forget that the Victoria Health Department runs both the Wodonga Hospital and the Albury Hospital as an integrated unit.
As to Sprinters being used up here at Albury? Dont forget it was already tried and failed, a few years back. Three units without connections between cars using aircraft style food carts was rather painful.
Cheers
Rod
comtrain

Where have you been comtrain? NSW has ordered new regional trains from CAF. Bombardier pulled out of that contract long ago. For more information I have posted links below for you.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399690.htm
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=217644533073065
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
To run a Benalla - Yarrawonga service, and even a supplemental Wangaratta - Albury service you would need what? 8 Sprinters in total on the standard gauge? With a total of no more than 4 or 5 in Seymour at any one time? I imagine you wouldn't need a large facility for that, I mean, for any major work they could be gauge converted there and moved on to Melbourne. This would be the main advantage of housing this facility in Seymour, as it has access to both gauges, it would be the primary facility for gauge converting these vehicles. Broad Gauge Sprinters would continue to be maintained in Melbourne like they are today.

There is enough land for the sort of facility that would be required on the North Western Side of the line, directly opposite the SRHC, but that would require a second grade crossing to cross the broad gauge line to Tocumwal. Or maybe you could just gauge convert the Toc and Deni lines at the same time, as none of this is actually happening I don't suppose it really matters.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Use a dual gauge access line so you have access to both the BG and SG lines.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Just to upset @dangerdan707 maybe everything heading on the north east and to shepparton should be converted to SG. This way there isn't a single track SG line and it might promote more connections to older NSWGR lines in southern NSW that currently lie dormant.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Just to upset @dangerdan707 maybe everything heading on the north east and to shepparton should be converted to SG. This way there isn't a single track SG line and it might promote more connections to older NSWGR lines in southern NSW that currently lie dormant.
simstrain
@dangerdan707 won't be upset at all. Too convulsed with laughter, he's wet hisself.

Just take gman's brain fart thru to conclusion.

SG convert Toc. That means all the way up to SCS.
Just re-scoped the Shepparton upgrade.
Oops - Metro share to Craigieburn.  Gunna quad some tracks as well ??
Re-build the Albion loop to support frequent 2 way passenger.? Oops2 Airport rail need the corridor.

SG convert Deni. That means all the way to SCS.
Oops - Swan Hill as well.
Oops2 - Metro share to Sunbury. More quads.
Oops3 - Sunbury will be a run thru to Pakenham, via MM1. That multi $$bill project just got re-scoped, so did Airport  rail.
Oops4 - Pakenham keeps going to Bairnsdale. Yet more conversion.
ALL FOR A LINE THAT HAS NOT SEEN A TRAIN IN ONE YEAR.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Just to upset @dangerdan707 maybe everything heading on the north east and to shepparton should be converted to SG. This way there isn't a single track SG line and it might promote more connections to older NSWGR lines in southern NSW that currently lie dormant.
@dangerdan707 won't be upset at all. Too convulsed with laughter, he's wet hisself.

Just take gman's brain fart thru to conclusion.

SG convert Toc. That means all the way up to SCS.
Just re-scoped the Shepparton upgrade.
Oops - Metro share to Craigieburn.  Gunna quad some tracks as well ??
Re-build the Albion loop to support frequent 2 way passenger.? Oops2 Airport rail need the corridor.

SG convert Deni. That means all the way to SCS.
Oops - Swan Hill as well.
Oops2 - Metro share to Sunbury. More quads.
Oops3 - Sunbury will be a run thru to Pakenham, via MM1. That multi $$bill project just got re-scoped, so did Airport  rail.
Oops4 - Pakenham keeps going to Bairnsdale. Yet more conversion.
ALL FOR A LINE THAT HAS NOT SEEN A TRAIN IN ONE YEAR.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
justarider
Sounds complicated.  How about  we just convert all the Vic SG back to BG, and convert NSW while we're at it?

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