Albury V/Line services after conversion?

 
  darcycammo Chief Train Controller

Location: cockatoo vic
vline should pinch some of the G class back and use them to albury lol Very Happy

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  712M Chief Commissioner

Generally agreed Exclamation

My point is potential bus pax who could travel on the V/Line replacement buses, along the Albury line are driving sometimes over 150KM to Seymour to pick up the train, rather than travel by bus.
"The Vinelander"



I think you'll find they travel down because it's quicker then getting on the replacement bus. The logic would seem to be "If I have to change I might as well just drive down"

It's not an issue with the buses. It's an issue of the replacement going on for such a long time. People will accept changing modes of transport during construction, but when it stretches on for a long period of time it becomes to come annoying. Yes they are probably spending money on petrol but it's probably more comfortable for them to drive down and wait at the station then it is to have to go to their own station wait for the bus, journey on and off the highway and through towns which would probably have their own traffic to delay it.

Plus, if they get there earlier they can jump on the train before the buses arrive and get a good seat.
"spottyrahr"


Driving to Seymour with an hourly frequency gives them more flexibility to when they want to travel back home.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

I think you'll find they travel down because it's quicker then getting on the replacement bus. The logic would seem to be "If I have to change I might as well just drive down"

It's not an issue with the buses. It's an issue of the replacement going on for such a long time.


There are express buses provided so the slower journey time excuse is nonsense.

"If I have to change, I might as well drive down" could apply to other lines too.  The hourly service frequency from the Regional Centres is probably drawing business into those centres at the expense of the longer journeys.  That may not change now when the train goes back on.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

I think you'll find they travel down because it's quicker then getting on the replacement bus. The logic would seem to be "If I have to change I might as well just drive down"

It's not an issue with the buses. It's an issue of the replacement going on for such a long time.


There are express buses provided so the slower journey time excuse is nonsense.

"If I have to change, I might as well drive down" could apply to other lines too.  The hourly service frequency from the Regional Centres is probably drawing business into those centres at the expense of the longer journeys.  That may not change now when the train goes back on.
"DalyWaters"


I hesitate to get involved in this bus V trains debate as I feel it is a "religous" debate that is the majority of people involved are going on what they believe rather than hard facts but I will put up a couple of points.

First..... What is Woodford getting involved in a religious debate for........ as bad or worse than politics......SmileSmile.

Buses are slower than trains from my expierence of buses in NE Vic this includes the express buses no need to argue the issue. How many passengers rate it as an issue is unknown (by this writer any way). I have also spoken to more than a few passengers that will not travel on buses. A point probably worth mentioning here is that it is very likely that a fair percentage of rail passengers have some sympathy with the service so accusing such people of bias would be the same as accusing say Geelong or St Kilda AFL supporters of bias.

It is highly likely that the frequency of service at Seymour is a draw card as it is a major reason why I started driving down. The other reason is the over crowding. The N sets seating has no leg room when it is "packed to the gunwalls" which was most of the time and one can always get a good seat at Seymour on the sprinters. How long a will maintain this is dependent on the cost of Diesel to the cost of a train fare.


When it comes to the ranking of seating comfort the N sets are OK IF you have some leg room but in a normal day I would rank the seating comfort first the sprinter, number two the VLocity (mainly because of legroom, the seats themselves as is most newer seating designed for short people and I am 184 cms) the last being the N sets.

Woodford
  Alister1 Station Staff

For me I cannot wait for the Train to be back in service.  

I cannot put my bike on the Bus and the XPT is much to difficult (limit of 3 bikes per train, bikes have to be boxed etc).  I have been planning a trip catching the train to Bairnsdale riding to Wang and home on the train.  This trip has been on hold for a year.  As are plenty of other bike trips by others who love the North East of the state.

I am still cannot understand why this conversion has been so open ended with seemingly no fixed milestones.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

For me I cannot wait for the Train to be back in service.  

I cannot put my bike on the Bus and the XPT is much to difficult (limit of 3 bikes per train, bikes have to be boxed etc).  I have been planning a trip catching the train to Bairnsdale riding to Wang and home on the train.  This trip has been on hold for a year.  As are plenty of other bike trips by others who love the North East of the state.

I am still cannot understand why this conversion has been so open ended with seemingly no fixed milestones.
"Alister1"


I am sure there is/was/has/still been fixed milestones along the way. There certainly was for the track work. Its that SIA/ARTC is giving out little to no information and no on else saying anything.
One of the major problems in a project such as this, that is with more than one group with the final say is to get everyone happy with the outcome. An almost IMPOSSIBLE task, a real good way to send you grey early.

Woodford
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

V/line have had paths set aside on the ARTC Master Train Plan for some time.

The new MTP starting July 11, 2010 has the same Melbourne-Albury schedulings as for last April and last January.

The lack of platforms at Broadmeadows and Wodonga (with lack of bypass) and possible commissioning of other new eastern track platforms may be stopping V/Line returning the trains, but lack of paths is not.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Some other random reasons (of doubtful accuracy) I have heard for not returning V/Line services yet:
- Buses are cheaper to run than trains
- If V/Line starts running trains, if they run late due to construction works, the usual performance penalties will still apply
- V/Line want to avoid a partial launch, just to put on buses over and over again when finishing touches are applied
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Some other random reasons (of doubtful accuracy) I have heard for not returning V/Line services yet:
- Buses are cheaper to run than trains
- If V/Line starts running trains, if they run late due to construction works, the usual performance penalties will still apply
- V/Line want to avoid a partial launch, just to put on buses over and over again when finishing touches are applied
"wongm"


Though there's no real electoral advantage for the Government in restoring pax services to Albury before the November poll.
In any event, expect a resumption of services before the election.

Mike.
  Highrailer Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere out on the track......anywhere around the country
I will believe it when i see it !
  woodford Chief Commissioner

It will only take a couple of weeks at the most to finish Broadmedows and the rate they are going now at Wodonga there is a good chance this will be availible by August sometime.

As far as i can gather they can do little on the West line without operational signalling at the switching. Any movements on to the line appears to reguire absolute ocupation and this seems to be cramping everyones style a fair bit.

Commisioning of the signalling at Wodonga is rumored to be end of July and there would be a good chance of some movement after that. SIA have had target dates on all the earlier work and it would be almost certain that there is one on this now though there are fewer workers invloved and it is very difficult to get any good info.

No news means just that no news

Woodford
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Ok team
Have the sets finished being gauge converted yet as the opening date could be as soon as next week.
Thanks
Greg
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

No the three (3) future sg N sets are still on bg .  However the first N class loco (IIRC N453)  has reportedly just gone onto sg bogies, which indicates crew training on the sg West Line is about to start.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
No the three (3) future sg N sets are still on bg .  However the first N class loco (IIRC N453)  has reportedly just gone onto sg bogies, which indicates crew training on the sg West Line is about to start.
"kuldalai"


Thanks mate Very HappyVery Happy
Not that it takes long for bogie changes on Carriges anyway.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

I was of the (erroneous?) impression that one N set was complete?
  ORGANISER79 Beginner

The carriages are already refurbished and ready to converted to new gauge,

they are called as SN sets and consist of 5 cars in the consist and a power van for the backup, hauled by  N class diesel.

the new car is derived from ACN and is called as BDN with a wide door for disability access. they are all painted as per the new livery and fitted with 50 Kw air conditioning systems on each car.(double the capacity on the existing N cars)
  Operater Junior Train Controller

Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Hi Group,                                 Sept 26th, 10, 17:25 Hrs. M.D.T.


                  If Vline is Running 3 Psgr Trains each way between Albury
          and Melbourne in the upcomming monthes once the SG Project is
          completed, what will B the total cars in use for the services on the
          Albury to Melbourne run. At 5 Cars/Train in one Direction that is a
          total of 15 cars if its 3 Tains a Day - Total is Ideally 30 Cars.
                While it sounds ideal 5 Cars/Train will there not also Backup
          of say 10 Extra Cars for add ons if and when the need arrises say
          Christmas Time or other High Travel Events that may take place
          so if extra cars are need, they will B available etc.
                     I don't live in Victoria so I'm looking at the bigger picture
          from a distance. Also as a passing thought on the Sheperaton
          Trains I take it Its also 5 Cars/Train - 3 Trains a Day. Just
          looking at some Comparisions of Trains for the 2 locations.
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  Serviceton_Kev Chief Commissioner

Location: Fecking here!
Last weeks Wangaratta Chronicle reckons we wont have V/Bus...I mean V/Line train until April/May next YEAR! Twisted Evil
  R711 Train Controller

Location: Warrnambool
They could hire excess carriages from GSR lol
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Last weeks Wangaratta Chronicle reckons we wont have V/Bus...I mean V/Line train until April/May next YEAR! Twisted Evil
"Serviceton_Kev"


I don't Brumby would like the sound of that, but I am sure you are right.  The entire projects has been poorly managed and designed from the start and undertaken for completely the wrong reasons.

Regards
Brian
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Last weeks Wangaratta Chronicle reckons we wont have V/Bus...I mean V/Line train until April/May next YEAR! Twisted Evil
"Serviceton_Kev"


I don't Brumby would like the sound of that, but I am sure you are right.  The entire projects has been poorly managed and designed from the start and undertaken for completely the wrong reasons.

Regards
Brian
"bevans"


The track and bridge work had been well thought out and was managed well, this required some rethink and changes in the switching south of Benalla.

The signalling though has been best described as pathetic. The problem apparently being in Australia the states have responibilty for regulations and standards of the installation and operation of railways and ARTC tried to install there own version of signalling without consulting with Victorian authoritys first. This went down like a lead balloon, the signaling safety committee and the Vic regulating Authority breathing major amounts of fire. There after ARTC making it very hard on themselves.

I must admit the ARTC management appears to be suffering from a severe case of at least double standards and has not acquited it self at all well.

One plus though the mudhole  repair work is going ahead at great rates.

Woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

just a minor point While the lack of trains beween Seymour and Albury  (the XPT does not count due to poor time keeping) is a continueing major pain. Woodford for a long while now has driven down to Seymour and taken a train from there. This is done for two reasons the first is prior to the service being suspended one could never get a decent seat at Benalla because the train being so packed. Second the service from Seymour is excellent with trains every hour making that option way more flexible. Also Woodford lives well south of Benalla and Seymour is currently not to expensive to drive to (although you have to get there well before 0900 to get a car park at the station).

Woodford
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Given the recent reports concerning the state of the Melbourne to Sydney line, I think it is about time David Marchant started to take some responsibility for this complete debacle before he launches into any other over priced projects run by ARTC.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news-8313.htm

The state of the Melbourne to Sydney railway line will feature on ABC's 7:30pm report tonight and so it should.  The entire project is  fabulous example of what is a poorly planned and executed project which has cost jobs and investment in rail, driven customers from the rail network and reduced the ability of customers to consign freight on rail out of Albuy/ Wodonga, Wangaratta, and Benalla.  It is just appalling.

Regards
Brian
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
just a minor point While the lack of trains beween Seymour and Albury  (the XPT does not count due to poor time keeping) is a continueing major pain. Woodford for a long while now has driven down to Seymour and taken a train from there. This is done for two reasons the first is prior to the service being suspended one could never get a decent seat at Benalla because the train being so packed. Second the service from Seymour is excellent with trains every hour making that option way more flexible. Also Woodford lives well south of Benalla and Seymour is currently not to expensive to drive to (although you have to get there well before 0900 to get a car park at the station).

Woodford
"woodford"


Would the proposed use of a 5 car N set have enough seats for all the passengers wishing to travel ?

When the new Wodonga Station gets all ticked off and all works on the other standard gauge platforms complete, V/Line should Introduce the morning up and Evening down Albury pass running at what the maximum line speed Is at the moment, even If It's only 80 km/h.
I think passengers would take to the service, even If It's slow.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

just a minor point While the lack of trains beween Seymour and Albury  (the XPT does not count due to poor time keeping) is a continueing major pain. Woodford for a long while now has driven down to Seymour and taken a train from there. This is done for two reasons the first is prior to the service being suspended one could never get a decent seat at Benalla because the train being so packed. Second the service from Seymour is excellent with trains every hour making that option way more flexible. Also Woodford lives well south of Benalla and Seymour is currently not to expensive to drive to (although you have to get there well before 0900 to get a car park at the station).

Woodford
"woodford"


Would the proposed use of a 5 car N set have enough seats for all the passengers wishing to travel ?

"Nightfire"

Probably not, the patronage did vary a bit but the last 4 or 5 times I traveled from Benalla and this is on off peak services, that is between tuesday to thursday there were usually only a couple of dozen seats spare in the whole train and standing from Benalla to Seymour is NOT fun. In Seymour you could get off and catch the 0910 sprinter where at least you could get a comfortable seat.
It was little point in travelling by train between Friday to Sunday during the football season the trains being packed to the rafters.


When the new Wodonga Station gets all ticked off and all works on the other standard gauge platforms complete, V/Line should Introduce the morning up and Evening down Albury pass running at what the maximum line speed Is at the moment, even If It's only 80 km/h.
I think passengers would take to the service, even If It's slow.


Almost certainly look at the patronage levels from Maryborough and this from a town of around 11,000 people. Just Benalla, Yarrawonga and  Wangarratta could marshal 70,000 people and from my expierence a train at 80KPH would not be that much slower than busses and a major site more comfortable.

Mind you it is a distinct possiblity that ARTC would not like another daily service slowing down the track repair work.

Woodford

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