Albury V/Line services after conversion?

 
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Maryborough patronage levels are nothing to gloat about.

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  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
40 people per daily services (of which there are two) therefore 20 people / 11000 people = 0.02% of the population using the train.

Wow.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Not quite 11000 as claimed by the previous poster.

http://www.australiantowns.com.au/2010/09/06/maryborough-victoria/

Maryborough
Is a city in Victoria, Australia, located on the Pyrenees Highway, 80 kilometres (50 mi) north of Ballarat, 168 kilometres (104 mi) north-west of Melbourne, in the Shire of Central Goldfields. At the 2006 census, Maryborough had a population of 7,692.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
So 0.04%.  Again, wow.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


Maryborough
Is a city in Victoria, Australia, located on the Pyrenees Highway, 80 kilometres (50 mi) north of Ballarat, 168 kilometres (104 mi) north-west of Melbourne, in the Shire of Central Goldfields. At the 2006 census, Maryborough had a population of 7,692.
"The Vinelander"


Try 68 km's North of Ballarat, via rail, less via road
  Michaelje Chief Commissioner

40 people per daily services (of which there are two) therefore 20 people / 11000 people = 0.02% of the population using the train.

Wow.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


Wow, are you for real? This should clearly that  they should never have received the train back

Vinelander will be sobbing to hear that
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Now is everyone paying attention as questions will be asked latter  WinkWink

We are not talking about Maryborough in this context but reintroducing trains as early as possible, I used Maryborough to illustrate that a town with a population of less than 8000 was producing say 20/40 passengers a day on a service running only once at 75 KPH. As I said Benalla, Yarrawonga and Wangarratta could easily come to 70,000 population at that rate that is something like half a train load. Albury Wodonga with a population 60,000 ish would likely give the rest of the train a good shake.

Woodford
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
As I said Benalla, Yarrawonga and Wangarratta could easily come to 70,000 population at that rate that is something like half a train load. Albury Wodonga with a population 60,000 ish would likely give the rest of the train a good shake.

Woodford
"woodford"


If you had used this regularly, as I did from time to time when I had to do several courses in Canberra several years ago, the services used to pull up at Benalla, Wangaratta and Wodonga, and there would be people everywhere on the platform and it would take at least 2-5 to get away from stops, sometimes. Some smokers even had it down to a fine art, getting out at Wang or Benalla.

It was a well-patronised service, in my limited experience.

The Wangaratta Buses are a helluva lot better than Dysons, by the way. Better seats and better legroom. Dysons, take a hint.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Maryborough patronage levels are nothing to gloat about.
"ZH836301"


It is early days however.

It is interesting to note that I read Albury V/line services were heavily patronised on BG, I wonder if they will rebound at the same rate as Maryborough?

Regards
Brian
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
.........and reduced the ability of customers to consign freight on rail out of Albuy/ Wodonga........
Brian
"bevans"

Wasn't this a choice made by the people of Wodonga?
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

40 people per daily services (of which there are two) therefore 20 people / 11000 people = 0.02% of the population using the train.


Err  20 out of 11000  is  0.2%   not  0.02%
  zindello Train Controller

Location: Outer South West of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
40 people per daily services (of which there are two) therefore 20 people / 11000 people = 0.02% of the population using the train.


Err  20 out of 11000  is  0.2%   not  0.02%
"michinyon"


Yep..

(20/11000) * 100  = 0.181818.....
  PClark Chief Commissioner

Sorry!

That's 0.2% of the population using the train on ONE DAY.

But are they the same people every day?

If they were different individuals every day then, over the course of a year, nearly three-quarters of the population would have used the service (0.2% x 365 = 73%) although one train trip per annum hardly constitutes a "revolution" in travel habits.

As the actual patronage probably includes quite a few daily students or workers then the "penetration" of rail use would be substantially less.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
.........and reduced the ability of customers to consign freight on rail out of Albuy/ Wodonga........
Brian
"bevans"

Wasn't this a choice made by the people of Wodonga?
"bingley hall"


The people of Wodonga are hardly subject matter experts. I would have focused on the freight and removed the passenger service.  It would appear however, that ARTC have done this for them!

The Victorian Government committed to building a new terminal at Barnawartha.  This was cancelled in usual Brumby style.

Regards
Brian
  Salty21 Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
So when is this project going to be finished so that the rest of the Victorian Country lines can be converted to Standard Gauge after all it only make's sense in a maintenance view and the costs involved running two separate networks

Salty  8)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
So when is this project going to be finished so that the rest of the Victorian Country lines can be converted to Standard Gauge after all it only make's sense in a maintenance view and the costs involved running two separate networks

Salty  8)
"Salty21"


Idea  How long is a piece of string Question

Also, do you expect the RFR lines to also be converted to SG, if so, I imagine you'll be waiting beyond the term of the remainder of your life.

Mike.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
So when is this project going to be finished so that the rest of the Victorian Country lines can be converted to Standard Gauge after all it only make's sense in a maintenance view and the costs involved running two separate networks

Salty  8)
"Salty21"


It might be fair to say that after the debacle of NE gauge standardisation, the cause of converting of the rest of the regional rail network has been set back by a generation.

SM
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

It might be fair to say that after the debacle of NE gauge standardisation, the cause of converting of the rest of the regional rail network has been set back by a generation.


It would be very fair to say that.    At least in the case of the NE line,   you accomplish a dual-track railway  which has several times the capacity of two single track railways.  You don't gain this benefit by converting the RFR lines.
  Veyron407 Junior Train Controller

Now is everyone paying attention as questions will be asked latter  WinkWink

We are not talking about Maryborough in this context but reintroducing trains as early as possible, I used Maryborough to illustrate that a town with a population of less than 8000 was producing say 20/40 passengers a day on a service running only once at 75 KPH. As I said Benalla, Yarrawonga and Wangarratta could easily come to 70,000 population at that rate that is something like half a train load. Albury Wodonga with a population 60,000 ish would likely give the rest of the train a good shake.

Woodford
"woodford"


Actually, Albury-Wodonga has a population of over 100,000  Surprised
  Tom66 Assistant Commissioner

It was very short sighted of the government to not have put dual gauge concrete sleepers on the RFR upgraded lines. At least then they would have the option to gauge convert with out replacing the existig sleepers.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
It was very short sighted of the government to not have put dual gauge concrete sleepers on the RFR upgraded lines. At least then they would have the option to gauge convert with out replacing the existig sleepers.
"Tom66"


That's V/Line management for you, they only care about their passenger trains on the broad gauge.
I'm sure If they had their way they would keep Seymour - Albury services on the the road
  MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

It was very short sighted of the government to not have put dual gauge concrete sleepers on the RFR upgraded lines. At least then they would have the option to gauge convert with out replacing the existig sleepers.
"Tom66"


That's V/Line management for you, they only care about their passenger trains on the broad gauge.
I'm sure If they had their way they would keep Seymour - Albury services on the the road
"Nightfire"


Actually, the RFR upgrade work was conducted while Freight Victoria/Australia/Pacific National owned the track. It had nothing to do with V/Line.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
So when is this project going to be finished so that the rest of the Victorian Country lines can be converted to Standard Gauge after all it only make's sense in a maintenance view and the costs involved running two separate networks

Salty  8)
"Salty21"


When they resolve the following issues

: running trains on unsignalled track with opposing moves

: closure and

**(rebuild) or
**(re-railing) and/or
**(resignalling) of the East line section by section

: installation of signalling on West line

: qualification of train operating staff on both lines

Say, July or October next year....
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Just checking something I read (perhaps in another thread) that the N class locos were being adjusted so they can run at 130 kph. Is that actually possible for them to do this?

How stable would the N loco's be at that speed? How stable would the carriages be?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Just checking something I read (perhaps in another thread) that the N class locos were being adjusted so they can run at 130 kph. Is that actually possible for them to do this?

How stable would the N loco's be at that speed? How stable would the carriages be?
"Duncs"


I think the N Classes lack of engine power could pose a problem for 130 km/h running ?

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