Just wandering as SZ7 will be pulled from service to be stored at Newport and that it is unlikely to see service again with V/Line if there will be another BS car farewell tour like the that was organized back in June 2006 by Matt Julian.
Farewell SZ7
RogersM
Locomotive Fireman
alstom_888m
Chief Commissioner
Location:
It has been mentioned that SZ7 will be broken up and it's cars placed to make all N sets 5 car.
However, I will miss the 4:55 Marshall and we know it and as I travel on it daily I will of course be on the farewell tour, although I may not make myself known.
However, I will miss the 4:55 Marshall and we know it and as I travel on it daily I will of course be on the farewell tour, although I may not make myself known.
Deanodriver
Chief Train Controller
Location: Melbourne
If they are to be placed on other sets permanently, does this mean they'll be repainted (if not fully refurbished), to fit in with other carriages? Would look kinda silly with a fresh red/yellow/grey V/Line set and locomotive with a knackered VLINE carriage in it.
I personally can see BCZ257 and BCZ259 refurbished and converted to BZN/BTN carriages, and the BS sets will be used as fifth cars in sets. Once all new VLocities have arrived in service, I can see one of the existing N sets being broken up with its carriages used as fifth cars in place of the BS cars, perhaps making another N set N-only.
Of course, I might be talking a whole load of old carriages
I personally can see BCZ257 and BCZ259 refurbished and converted to BZN/BTN carriages, and the BS sets will be used as fifth cars in sets. Once all new VLocities have arrived in service, I can see one of the existing N sets being broken up with its carriages used as fifth cars in place of the BS cars, perhaps making another N set N-only.
Of course, I might be talking a whole load of old carriages
alstom_888m
Chief Commissioner
Location:
The two BCZ cars were always going to be rebuilt into BZN or BTN cars. 257 was placed into SZ7 which meant that it was needed as a conductors van, but I don't know why they held back on 259.
Deanodriver
Chief Train Controller
Location: Melbourne
The two BCZ cars were always going to be rebuilt into BZN or BTN cars. 257 was placed into SZ7 which meant that it was needed as a conductors van, but I don't know why they held back on 259.
Return of Z sets using all BZN/BTN cars? If a couple of additional N-only sets are created (including new BDN cars to replace the BZNs), it's possible.
Why does one need a buffet section for Geelong services (which currently see quite a lot of N sets in use in peak)?
alstom_888m
Chief Commissioner
Location:
Well... the buffets are closed on Geelong services, so you may have a point.
davesvline
Chief Commissioner
Location: 1983-1998
It just proves the fact that journalists don't always = accuracy/fact.
Nice thing called editorial spin. This makes headlines, causes grief, but most importantly - sells papers. Sometimes, such spins results in someone being labelled a 4 letter word, seemingly because of lack of action, wrong decisions, etc etc.
Probably done deliberately so, such that the people using the service are led to believe that its a bucket-o-crap, and that what they're going to get instead is the creme de la creme. Predominantly the passenger just wants to get from a - b, on time. VLO, or N with S set is semantic.
Alternatively, the journalist clearly has no idea what they're on about. Like that never happens either
Regards
Nice thing called editorial spin. This makes headlines, causes grief, but most importantly - sells papers. Sometimes, such spins results in someone being labelled a 4 letter word, seemingly because of lack of action, wrong decisions, etc etc.
Probably done deliberately so, such that the people using the service are led to believe that its a bucket-o-crap, and that what they're going to get instead is the creme de la creme. Predominantly the passenger just wants to get from a - b, on time. VLO, or N with S set is semantic.
Alternatively, the journalist clearly has no idea what they're on about. Like that never happens either
Regards
wongm
GEEWONG
Location: Geelong, Victoria
I saw the following in the Geelong Advertiser on the weekend:
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2010/07/17/192351_news.html
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2010/07/17/192351_news.html
Notorious old 4.55pm train to be replaced
Alex Oates
July 17th, 2010
The 4.55pm locomotive, built in the 1950s, will be pulled from the tracks in August to make way for a five-carriage VLocity train on the Geelong-Southern Cross line.
V/Line spokesman James Kelly yesterday confirmed the locomotive would spend its final few weeks on the tracks.
"It's going into storage at Newport and it's unlikely it will be used again," he said.
wongm
GEEWONG
Location: Geelong, Victoria
The two BCZ cars were always going to be rebuilt into BZN or BTN cars. 257 was placed into SZ7 which meant that it was needed as a conductors van, but I don't know why they held back on 259.
Part of the issues is the bogies are getting knackered, with the BTN/BZN cars running around white patches on the bogies so the cracking can be monitored, and some cars are out of service at Newport awaiting repairs. IIRC S cars use a different bogie design to the Z cars - pulling the Z cars out to place the bogies under existing refurbished cars might be a possibility.
tardis142000
Chief Train Controller
Location: Sandhurst, Victoria
Hold on...the article keeps referring to a locomotive built in the '50s. Isnt this service usually hauled by an N?
alstom_888m
Chief Commissioner
Location:
It sure is, and the S cars actually are from the 40s. The only vehicle in the consist that dates from the 50s is the BCZ.
kuldalai
Chief Commissioner
The plan is to have the 55 remaining strictly N cars of 1980's building to be made up into 11 x 5 car sets for use on Inter-City services. The first 3 sets are for sg to run the Albury services, leaving 5 sets on bg Inter City services with some peak hour cross working to/from Geelong also .
The N cars ex Z cars being monitored for bogie fatigue (re the white paint on the bogies) to be formed into 6 car commuter sets strictly for peak hour Weekday use on Geelong line to minimize kms run daily .
Having been retired once already, and only resurrected out of necessity account stock damaged in Kerang lx incident - the 5 S cars should dissapear shortly and finally, from regular service to storage . The on going delivery of 3 x car Velocity sets allows the S cars set to be withdrawn from its peak hour Weekday return trip and replaced by a 3 + 2 VL sety from late August .
The N cars ex Z cars being monitored for bogie fatigue (re the white paint on the bogies) to be formed into 6 car commuter sets strictly for peak hour Weekday use on Geelong line to minimize kms run daily .
Having been retired once already, and only resurrected out of necessity account stock damaged in Kerang lx incident - the 5 S cars should dissapear shortly and finally, from regular service to storage . The on going delivery of 3 x car Velocity sets allows the S cars set to be withdrawn from its peak hour Weekday return trip and replaced by a 3 + 2 VL sety from late August .
RATLSNAKE
Chief Train Controller
Hold on...the article keeps referring to a locomotive built in the '50s. Isnt this service usually hauled by an N?
I noticed this straight away, and it's not the first time the Addy has made this invalid statement.
Bunch of idiots at that paper, like most papers, although they take stupidity to a whole new level. Btw, how is rolling stock changing "a new service"? pfft lol
vlinecars
V/Man - "Yeah!"
Location: Here, there, everywhere!
Just wandering as SZ7 will be pulled from service to be stored at Newport and that it is unlikely to see service again with V/Line if there will be another BS car farewell tour like the that was organized back in June 2006 by Matt Julian.
Ideally the whole train would be chartered for another similar event (gee, it was four years ago!); however, this is out of the option now operationally and cost wise.
The future isn't all doom and gloom for the S cars.....
I'm thinking next time I'm in Melbourne in the arvo peak though, I'll take a ride on them to Lara and then head back to Melbourne in time for the footy!
R 761
Chief Commissioner
Location: In A House At My Computer
Hold on...the article keeps referring to a locomotive built in the '50s. Isnt this service usually hauled by an N?Sometimes a A class locomotive handles that service. Yes the A class is a rebuild from a B class, which means they where built in the 50s, The N class was built in the early 80s. Speaking about the 80s sometime the B class or an X class handle that service. As years went by as more N class locomotives was being built. The Bs and Xs was starting to vanish from that service and the Ns was taking over.
Z1_BOY
Chief Train Controller
Location: Essendon, Vic (ex Wollongong)
I don't think i have ever seen an A class on that service, which i do see, on a regular basis! Not sating it never has of course during a loco shortage.
Will be sad to see these cars gone.
Will be sad to see these cars gone.
ML2
Locomotive Driver
Sounds like they have confused the 15.28 South Geelong service with the 15.53 Geelong, hauled by an N class. Interesting that one A could be stored at Newport when surely it could be utilized elsewhere? If they are talking about carriages that article makes no sense at all.
vlocity160
V/Gunzel
V/Line made a specific news release about Z57 today: [quote="V/Line"]New carriages coming to Geelong line
Tuesday, 20 July
One of V/Line’s oldest carriage sets will be replaced in August following the addition of more carriages and seats to the network.
The 16:55 Southern Cross Station to Marshall will be replaced with a five-car VLocity train after delivery was taken of the newest three-car VLocity last week.
The addition of the newest three-car VLocity brings the number of additional seats added to the rail network to 7400 in four years.
Featuring a new livery and other safety features the new carriages are the first of 11 new trains (32 carriages) to be in service by October next year adding a further 2360 seats.
Works have also finished to extend Marshall Station car park, adding a further 400 spaces.
For more information visit V/Line media centre to read the release.[/quote]
Tuesday, 20 July
One of V/Line’s oldest carriage sets will be replaced in August following the addition of more carriages and seats to the network.
The 16:55 Southern Cross Station to Marshall will be replaced with a five-car VLocity train after delivery was taken of the newest three-car VLocity last week.
The addition of the newest three-car VLocity brings the number of additional seats added to the rail network to 7400 in four years.
Featuring a new livery and other safety features the new carriages are the first of 11 new trains (32 carriages) to be in service by October next year adding a further 2360 seats.
Works have also finished to extend Marshall Station car park, adding a further 400 spaces.
For more information visit V/Line media centre to read the release.[/quote]
Deanodriver
Chief Train Controller
Location: Melbourne
[quote="V/Line"]
the first of 11 new trains (32 carriages)
That's interesting - 11 x 3 car sets would be 33 carriages. Is one of them going to be a 2 car set?[/quote]
I believe so, 2VL00.
tardis142000
Chief Train Controller
Location: Sandhurst, Victoria
[quote="V/Line"]
the first of 11 new trains (32 carriages)
That's interesting - 11 x 3 car sets would be 33 carriages. Is one of them going to be a 2 car set?
I believe so, 2VL00.[/quote]
Maybe something to do with filling the gap caused by the Sprinters being leased the Metro for the Stony Point service?
alstom_888m
Chief Commissioner
Location:
Maybe when they did the maths they realised they wanted another 5 or 7 car set.
ML2
Locomotive Driver
V/Line spokesman James Kelly yesterday confirmed the locomotive would spend its final few weeks on the tracks.
Is this spokesman really employed by V/Line? I hope he misses out on his yearly bonus - to not know the difference between a carriage and a locomotive is absolutely ridiculous.
vlinecars
V/Man - "Yeah!"
Location: Here, there, everywhere!
V/Line spokesman James Kelly yesterday confirmed the locomotive would spend its final few weeks on the tracks.
Is this spokesman really employed by V/Line? I hope he misses out on his yearly bonus - to not know the difference between a carriage and a locomotive is absolutely ridiculous.
It appears that only the Geelong Advertiser are referring to the train as a 'locomotive' as opposed to carriages - he could have simply confirmed that yes, the trains being replaced, and they took it as 'locomotive'.
Going by V/Line's official release referring to the set properly as a carriage set, I'd doubt the spokesmand would have said 'locomotive'.
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