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X'Trapolis test run to Craigieburn

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      wongm GEEWONG

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    Early this morning (after the last train of Wednesday January 19th) X'Trapolis set 33M-34M + 35M-36M went to Craigieburn. I only followed it from Kensington to Strathmore, by 1 am I was keen to go home!
    http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/

    I'm told it went there in order to allow X'Trapolis trains to use the line, the trigger was new train wash being built at Craigieburn Yard.

    Passing through the platform at Kensington: XTrapolis trains have already been cleared as far as the racecourse, so they didn't need to check this platform.

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/image/595/E108_4078.jpg[/img]

    Crawling along at walking pace at Ascot Vale: staff following alongside checking the platform clearances.

    At each station the train would stop short of the platform, then let the staff out. The train would then crawl along to check the clearances until they reached the departure end, then they would pick up the staff again.

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/image/595/E108_4089.jpg[/img]

    Inspecting the platform at Strathmore

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/image/595/E108_4148.jpg[/img]
    Posted: 20 Jan 2011 19:41

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      Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

    Location: Lilydale, Vic
    Out of curiosity, how much would the slow speed have an effect on clearance? I'm just wondering that a train at walking speed might not show any problems. But arriving at normal speed or even running express, would it be bouncing around a little more? Especially on curved platforms where centrifugal force is more pronounced...
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 10:49
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Out of curiosity, how much would the slow speed have an effect on clearance? I'm just wondering that a train at walking speed might not show any problems. But arriving at normal speed or even running express, would it be bouncing around a little more? Especially on curved platforms where centrifugal force is more pronounced...
    "Ballast_Plough"


    Perhaps that would be the subject of further testing? I understand exactly what you mean, although probably better to go slow and make sure the thing fits at slow speed before slowly running faster tests until you're up to track speed. Better result than slamming into a big of overhanging platform at speed, methinks.
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 11:03
      RailwayBus Locomotive Driver

    Out of curiosity, how much would the slow speed have an effect on clearance? I'm just wondering that a train at walking speed might not show any problems. But arriving at normal speed or even running express, would it be bouncing around a little more? Especially on curved platforms where centrifugal force is more pronounced...
    "Ballast_Plough"


    I guess we'll find out today, another X'trapolis ran down to Craigieburn mid morning at line speed.
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 19:22
      ChoooChoo Chief Train Controller

    From my understanding then:

    -X-Trapolis trains don't run on the Craigeburn line?

    -This testing is thus a sign they will be introduced as the fleet grows?

    -Any hope of these trains being introduced on other lines?
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 19:30
      RailwayBus Locomotive Driver

    From my understanding then:

    -X-Trapolis trains don't run on the Craigeburn line?

    -This testing is thus a sign they will be introduced as the fleet grows?

    -Any hope of these trains being introduced on other lines?
    "ChoooChoo"


    Testing was done on Wednesday night to enable empty car running on the Craigieburn line, in preperation of todays trip down there to test the new wash plant. In service running is still not permitted.

    There are absolutely no plans at all to introduce X'trapolis revenue running on this line.
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 19:46
      Lance-Fieldline Train Controller

    Location: Stalybridge Station Buffet
    Talking about platform clearences, It reminds me of the days in the late '70s when the 1714 Kyneton was cancelled and they ran the 1704 Bendigo in it's path with an additional stop at Sunbury.

    "Taggerty" was packed with Sunbury passengers having a chance to enjoy  a beer on the train home, It scraped the platform at Middle Footscray due to the amount of people at the bar.  Laughing

    As far as I know nothing was ever said about these incidents.

    Cheers
    Lance
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 19:47
      Westernport Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Not In Service
    I guess we'll find out today, another X'trapolis ran down to Craigieburn mid morning at line speed.
    "RailwayBus"

    By "line speed", I assume the train travelled at 90km/h whilst on the 115km/h sections of track?
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 20:02
      wongm GEEWONG

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    I guess we'll find out today, another X'trapolis ran down to Craigieburn mid morning at line speed.
    "RailwayBus"

    By "line speed", I assume the train travelled at 90km/h whilst on the 115km/h sections of track?
    "Westernport"

    I could pull the EXIF timestamps from my photos, count the number of stanctions passed, measure the distance between then, and then work out the velocity? Laughing

    18M was the leading M car today, between Broadmeadows and Coolaroo on the down at 1040:

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/image/595/e108_4220.jpg[/img]

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/image/595/e108_4228.jpg[/img]

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/image/595/e108_4234.jpg[/img]

    I couldn't stick around to wait for the up trip. The XTrap was gone from Craigieburn by 1830 this evening.
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 20:30
      wongm GEEWONG

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    Out of curiosity, how much would the slow speed have an effect on clearance? I'm just wondering that a train at walking speed might not show any problems. But arriving at normal speed or even running express, would it be bouncing around a little more? Especially on curved platforms where centrifugal force is more pronounced...
    "Ballast_Plough"

    I assume they already know how much an X'Trapolis will bounce around, and the minimum clearance between train and platform required. From there, you run through each platform at 5 km/h, and confirm the minimum clearance exists. From there you can be pretty sure a full speed run will be safe.
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 20:30
      ChoooChoo Chief Train Controller

    Thanks RailwayBus
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 20:59
      Craig Chief Commissioner

    Location: Edithvale, VIC
    I got some shots at Roxburgh Park.

    I definitely would say the train wasn't going more than 90km/h as it passed through.







    Kind Regards


    Craig Smile
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 22:38
      Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

    Location: Banned
    by 1 am I was keen to go home!
    "wongm"
    Wuss.  I used to chase work trains way later than that when I were your age.
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 23:10
      heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

    Yes but, STB you're a rabid gunzel. Wongm is a photographer Razz
    Posted: 21 Jan 2011 23:16
      davesvline Chief Commissioner

    Location: 1983-1998
    I like the first photo in Wongms post 21 Jan at 1930.
    If you look at the middle track profile - it looks roohooted. Nice bounce to be had on that with an Xtrap  8)
    I doubt its a peculiarity with Wongms camera either.........

    Regards
    Posted: 22 Jan 2011 08:55
      electric Chief Train Controller

    Location: Ist mir egal
    Sorry to be off topic here  Embarassed

    I like the first photo in Wongms post 21 Jan at 1930.
    If you look at the middle track profile - it looks roohooted. Nice bounce to be had on that with an Xtrap  
    I doubt its a peculiarity with Wongms camera either.........


    How is that "damage" caused? And how bad is something like that? (as in, what speed restriction would be on that track, will it be fixed as a matter of urgency, or when metro get around to it?)
    Posted: 22 Jan 2011 15:00
      Michaelje Chief Commissioner

    From my understanding then:

    -X-Trapolis trains don't run on the Craigeburn line?

    -This testing is thus a sign they will be introduced as the fleet grows?

    -Any hope of these trains being introduced on other lines?
    "ChoooChoo"


    Testing was done on Wednesday night to enable empty car running on the Craigieburn line, in preperation of todays trip down there to test the new wash plant. In service running is still not permitted.

    There are absolutely no plans at all to introduce X'trapolis revenue running on this line.
    "RailwayBus"


    Well I don't think you can say there are "absolutely no plans at all". There just may be none right this minute.
    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 07:51
      wongm GEEWONG

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    If you look at the middle track profile - it looks roohooted. Nice bounce to be had on that with an Xtrap  8)
    I doubt its a peculiarity with Wongms camera either.........
    "davesvline"

    It isn't something 'broken' as such, but a side effect of the focal length I was using.

    [img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/xtrap-craigieburn-test/image/595/e108_4220.jpg[/img]

    That photo was a 200mm on my lens, on a Canon 50D it works out to be a 320mm lens on a film body.

    The use of a telephoto lens compresses everything, making a dip in the rail that is 20 metres long look like one that is just a metre long. In the photo, it is almost 1000 metres between the front of the train, and the curve right at the back.

    A bit more about the effect here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_%28photography%29
    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 09:21
      combino3508 Locomotive Driver

    Spotted one of the x-trapolis stabled at craigieburn tonight around 3:30
    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 18:12
      tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

    Location: Banned
    Went past there at each of these times, and I did not find any in there.

    **Friday, on the 13:30 From Southern Cross to Seymor
    **Saturday, Seymour to Geelong service, I say around 8 am,
    **Sunday, I would say 11:30 heading from Seymour to Melbourne on a V/Line service

    I was also on the S.R.H.C. Geelong to Seymour service, but was on very late on Saturday.
    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 19:32
      712M Chief Commissioner

    Wouldn't the X'trapolis have been inside the train wash shed?
    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 20:08
      09express Junior Train Controller

    It was at Craigieburn today being tested through the wash.
    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 20:08
      The Vinelander Minister for Railways

    Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
    Talking about platform clearences, It reminds me of the days in the late '70s when the 1714 Kyneton was cancelled and they ran the 1704 Bendigo in it's path with an additional stop at Sunbury.

    "Taggerty" was packed with Sunbury passengers having a chance to enjoy  a beer on the train home, It scraped the platform at Middle Footscray due to the amount of people at the bar.  Laughing

    As far as I know nothing was ever said about these incidents.

    Cheers
    Lance
    "Lance-Fieldline"


    Ahh...Taggerty(tragedy), an adventure on rails on the 2+ hours Friday night journey to Castlemaine.  

    2 Z cars, Taggerty, a CE van, a louvre van and at least 3 non-aircon cars behind a struggling B Class. The Friday night 'express' NEVER arrived on time at Castlemaine.

    BTW the 5:40 often stopped at the signal on the downside of Sunbury having caught up to the 5:14 Kyneton  before the Kyneton departed Clarkefield.
    Therefore with a standing start from Rupertswood, the down Bendigo may as well have stopped at Sunbury as the B Class struggled under full power all the way to Woodend Exclamation

    All LONG before RFR of course.

    Mike.  
    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 20:13

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