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  ianadunn Locomotive Fireman

Am I the only one who finds the funnel as shown on the drawings too short and squat compared with the many photos available? I know that the original Beyer, Peacock funnel was quite squat (2'8½" high compared to 3' 1 1/8" for a 50 class funnel), but all photos from the 1960s on seem to show a funnel of 50 class proportions (did SMR get spares from the NSWGR?) And I do hope we are not going to get a two- or three-piece funnel à la Trainorama32 and Ixion 32 ...

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  M636C Minister for Railways

Am I the only one who finds the funnel as shown on the drawings too short and squat compared with the many photos available? I know that the original Beyer, Peacock funnel was quite squat (2'8½" high compared to 3' 1 1/8" for a 50 class funnel), but all photos from the 1960s on seem to show a funnel of 50 class proportions (did SMR get spares from the NSWGR?) And I do hope we are not going to get a two- or three-piece funnel à la Trainorama32 and Ixion 32 ...
ianadunn
The drawings match the Beyer Peacock builder's photo quite well.

I'll agree that the photo of 22 shows a taller funnel than the drawings.

It might be that a single drawing was used just to show the colour schemes, although the cab roof was changed.

If you believe the colour scheme drawings completely, Auscision's RUB set will only come with a PHS with twin GM Detroit 71 75kW generator sets. I'm hoping Auscision have included Caterpillar powered PHSs in their later period RUB sets. But we'll find out when they arrive, both for the RUB sets and the SMR 10 Class.

M636C
  a6et Minister for Railways

Am I the only one who finds the funnel as shown on the drawings too short and squat compared with the many photos available? I know that the original Beyer, Peacock funnel was quite squat (2'8½" high compared to 3' 1 1/8" for a 50 class funnel), but all photos from the 1960s on seem to show a funnel of 50 class proportions (did SMR get spares from the NSWGR?) And I do hope we are not going to get a two- or three-piece funnel à la Trainorama32 and Ixion 32 ...
ianadunn
Maybe the funnel is a test from a certain 50cl model. Other good part perhaps is that the 10's have side tanks so wont see the oversized wheel that are so prominent on the 50cl, along with the lunar mysterior oil lines.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

Am I the only one who finds the funnel as shown on the drawings too short and squat compared with the many photos available? I know that the original Beyer, Peacock funnel was quite squat (2'8½" high compared to 3' 1 1/8" for a 50 class funnel), but all photos from the 1960s on seem to show a funnel of 50 class proportions (did SMR get spares from the NSWGR?) And I do hope we are not going to get a two- or three-piece funnel à la Trainorama32 and Ixion 32 ...
ianadunn
I can confirm that at least one D50 class chimney was in use at SMR, and I distinctly recall No.27 sporting one in the late 1970’s. I have photos of this loco double heading with other 10 class, where the chimney height difference is noticeable. However, from some angles it was quite hard to pick. What I can’t tell you, is whether other 10 class locos were so fitted, and when. Most locos were certainly carrying standard 10 class chimneys in that era.



I just checked a photo from May 1979 showing No.27 and No.26 with different height chimneys.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

Having just looked through dozens of my SMR photos, the chimneys always look taller when viewed from a low angle, and rather squat when viewed from above. I am inclined to think that the photo of No.22 on the the Southern Rail web page shows a standard 10 class chimney.



While we’re looking at the 10 class, I’ll point out the following decoration errors for Southern Rail’s attention:



SMR1009 #24 – the number “24” and small “SMR PTY LTD” signage are incorrectly positioned one panel to the right;

SMR1011 #26 – the “SMR PTY LTD” signage should have the “TY” and “TD” letters in a lowered position;

SMR1013 #28 – the “SMR PTY LTD” lettering is incorrectly positioned one panel to the left.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

Am I the only one who finds the funnel as shown on the drawings too short and squat compared with the many photos available?
And I do hope we are not going to get a two- or three-piece funnel à la Trainorama32 and Ixion 32 ...
ianadunn
The lip of an SMR 10 class chimney sits just above the level of the highest point of the double cab roof - this is readily verified by end-on photos of double-headed locos. The profile drawing used on the Southern Rail web page to illustrate locomotive decoration matches this. Notice the drawing shows a pipe, rod or handrail running just above the boiler top, that makes the funnel appear squatter than it actually is. I’ve looked at several level-on photos, and proportional heights of chimney, dome, cab and boiler top look just like the drawing. Without taking measurements, I’d say the drawing is close to correct.



Agree with your comments about chimneys on other recent RTR steam models!
  M636C Minister for Railways

Having just looked through dozens of my SMR photos, the chimneys always look taller when viewed from a low angle, and rather squat when viewed from above. I am inclined to think that the photo of No.22 on the the Southern Rail web page shows a standard 10 class chimney.

NSWRcars
Looking at the two photos reproduced by Southern Rail Models, the chimney on 22 is definitely taller than that in the Beyer Peacock builder's photo.

Note that in the builder's photo how the chimney is only slightly taller than the safety valve on the dome.

I have the BP catalogue with that photo to approximately A4 size.

Then compare the chimney on 22 with the height of the dome cover in both photos. While perspective does influence this, I do not believe that 22's chimney is the same height as that in the BP photo. Assuming that the drawing shows the same chimney height as the BP builder's photo, the chimney on 22 is definitely taller.

I can't say if it is a 50 class chimney or a 32 class chimney or something else entirely, but if the BP photo shows a "standard 10 class chimney" that on 22 in those two photos is not standard.



M636C
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/18th-august-2016-new-model-announcements-10-class-model-shots-exhibitions-qld-convention - blog update.


10 class samples, more in the blog. note the different chimneys. I assume (and will ask this weekend) that the coupler boxes are movable to allow for tight curves without buffer lock.

Also announced is the XGAY and related hoppers. Had been hinted at a while ago, now it's confirmed.


Also preorder prices for the new structures. See all the details in the blog.
  Btone Locomotive Fireman

http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/18th-august-2016-new-model-announcements-10-class-model-shots-exhibitions-qld-convention - blog update.

Poath Junction

And here I thought auscision would be doing the BGSY's. Or should I be waiting till this weekend before I put my order form in...
  2LaGrange Train Controller

http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/18th-august-2016-new-model-announcements-10-class-model-shots-exhibitions-qld-convention - blog update.

And here I thought auscision would be doing the BGSY's. Or should I be waiting till this weekend before I put my order form in...
Btone
I would be very surprised if SSR gave SRM permission to produce BGSY wagons Considering their close relationship with Auscision.
Also Auscision have already produced their GT46Aci SSR class locos and are going to do SSR G class. I'm guessing they plan to do these wagons.
The prices listed on SRM version ($100.00 per wagon) will see me waiting for the Auscision Versions that will no doubt be better value for money (usually $65.00 per wagon) and dare I say better models.
  Btone Locomotive Fireman

I would be very surprised if SSR gave SRM permission to produce BGSY wagons Considering their close relationship with Auscision.
Also Auscision have already produced their GT46Aci SSR class locos and are going to do SSR G class. I'm guessing they plan to do these wagons.
The prices listed on SRM version ($100.00 per wagon) will see me waiting for the Auscision Versions that will no doubt be better value for money (usually $65.00 per wagon) and dare I say better models.
"2LaGrange"


I've spoken to the guys from Auscision at a few exhibitions and was under the impression they'd be releasing these (along with the PHTH's) pretty soon. Hopefully this isn't what they meant as like you say I was expecting them to come with a more affordable auscision price-tag. I'm equally perplexed as to how they got the rights for the livery as well, would have thought SSR would have been protecting everything under their banner for future releases. Unless they believe that everyone will buy theirs anyway...
  Just The Tip Junior Train Controller

Location: Danger zone
I want two sets of these wagons - ATN & SSR. That price makes me cringe, given the amount of wagons I would like!
Also given SRM's track record of quality and timeliness makes me more hesitant!...

Nup, bring it on Auscision!
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/18th-august-2016-new-model-announcements-10-class-model-shots-exhibitions-qld-convention - blog update.

And here I thought auscision would be doing the BGSY's. Or should I be waiting till this weekend before I put my order form in...
I would be very surprised if SSR gave SRM permission to produce BGSY wagons Considering their close relationship with Auscision.
Also Auscision have already produced their GT46Aci SSR class locos and are going to do SSR G class. I'm guessing they plan to do these wagons.
The prices listed on SRM version ($100.00 per wagon) will see me waiting for the Auscision Versions that will no doubt be better value for money (usually $65.00 per wagon) and dare I say better models.
2LaGrange
Auscision have posted two years ago they were going to do the wagons.

They probably gave SRM permission because they nearly had theirs ready to release anyway.

Just wait till Saturday...

Paul
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/18th-august-2016-new-model-announcements-10-class-model-shots-exhibitions-qld-convention - blog update.


10 class samples, more in the blog. note the different chimneys. I assume (and will ask this weekend) that the coupler boxes are movable to allow for tight curves without buffer lock.
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Poath Junction
Uh Oh!

A two piece chimney (funnel) if I am not mistaken.  Someone(s) are not going to be pleased.  We shall see how this works out once the painted samples are available.

Other questions I have:
 1.  How is the drive transmitted to all the driven axles (by gear or connecting rods)?  (I assume the pony and trailing truck are not driven - LOL.)
 2.  How many of the wheels are fitted with pick ups (maximum 5 each side)?  It is obviously not all wheel pick up (maybe they mean pick up on all driving wheels - slightly different.)
 3.  What sound chip is going to be fitted?  Is it a Chinese copy or a ridgy didge version?
 4.  Are the buffers sprung or fixed?

Another observation - The couplers stick out a hell of a long way.  It looks like the face of the coupler box is in line with the tips of the buffers.  Will there be a non-prototypical 1 to 2 scale feet between the buffers when coupled?  Alternatively, can the couplers be mounted further in for a more accurate coupling distance (as on the Eureka AD60 Garratt)?

Lots of variations proposed by SRM.  Can the Chinese get all the differences on the right engines?

Is it worthwhile joining the Club Car to get the pre-order discount on SMR1008 (SMR23)?  Is the pre-order discount available to Bronze members (I assume yes it is)?

Happy tanking,

John
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The 10 class, like other SRM sound equipped models, has a genuine "21 PIN ESU SOUND DECODER".

The SSCC member discounts are outlined at http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/southern-spirit-club-car1.html which confirm bronze members can save a few dollars on the limited run model.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Guys if you want your comments to even be thought of, send them via email with yuor name and contact. After all the rucus tiss fair to  explain your concern, why the concerns and what yu know about it.

Now is the time.

Not saying you will get a reply back, but it will help them decide.

Regards,
David Head
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
The 10 class, like other SRM sound equipped models, has a genuine "21 PIN ESU SOUND DECODER".

The SSCC member discounts are outlined at http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/southern-spirit-club-car1.html which confirm bronze members can save a few dollars on the limited run model.
Poath Junction
Thanks PJ,

Reread the spec's again and this time my comprehension skills worked.  Yes, ESU sound decoder fitted.

SMR1008 has SSCC member savings of $150 for sound and $125 for non-sound versions.

SSCC costs are $75 or $125, giving nett savings of $25-$75 for sound and $0-$25 for non-sound versions.  Not much of a saving.

Happy ordering,

John
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Before I take my own advise thoufgh I'd ask here first. While the loco's couplers may not be enough from the front, for safe coupling,  my question, is:

What wagons did the loco mainly pull ? and if  avaiable these dayds, would they couple up and be ok?


Personally I'd take a working loco that can couple over a display model.

Regards,
David Head
  a6et Minister for Railways

Before I take my own advise thoufgh I'd ask here first. While the loco's couplers may not be enough from the front, for safe coupling,  my question, is:

What wagons did the loco mainly pull ? and if  avaiable these dayds, would they couple up and be ok?


Personally I'd take a working loco that can couple over a display model.

Regards,
David Head
dthead
David

Basically two periods. Steam era NSWGR had non air rolling stock & everything fitted with buffers & hooks. So both on the 10cl

Post  NSWGR forget date, when BCH & other non buffered coal hoppers became the norm, SMR then removed buffers & hooks replacing them with auto types..

If wanting the early era with hooks, possible perhaps to have a long shank whisker coupler & perhaps a shortened coupler box outside the buffer beam.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I know I'm talking prototype, but how often did they  run single s double heading etc? In normal circumstances. I knoe model wise people will want to use them as they wish with wagons etc never hauled by these locos. I am just establishin what they did so their normal use can be replicated, and thus make the models make sence.

David
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

What wagons did the loco mainly pull ? and if  avaiable these dayds, would they couple up and be ok?

David

Basically two periods. Steam era NSWGR had non air rolling stock & everything fitted with buffers & hooks. So both on the 10cl

Post  NSWGR forget date, when BCH & other non buffered coal hoppers became the norm, SMR then removed buffers & hooks replacing them with auto types..
a6et
To add to this, in the non-air era 10 class were also hauling goods trains with NSWR auto-coupled and buffered stock, both bogie and four wheeled, eg LLV, S, etc. Air braked four-wheel coal hoppers such as LCH and CCH also worked beyond Cessnock. In the late era of bufferless coal hoppers, bogie guards vans with buffers were still used, e.g. FHG, GHG etc.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

I know I'm talking prototype, but how often did they  run single s double heading etc? In normal circumstances. I knoe model wise people will want to use them as they wish with wagons etc never hauled by these locos. I am just establishin what they did so their normal use can be replicated, and thus make the models make sence.

David
dthead
Double heading wasn't very common until the mid 1970's, but it was everyday practice for Pelton trains of bogie coal hoppers from the late 1970's onwards.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.





first samples of XGAY series grain wagons, more pics at https://www.facebook.com/southernrailmodels/?fref=ts
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I was in the right place at the right time to see the 10 class having its first trial run. A quick video can be seen at https://www.facebook.com/PoathJunction/videos/1200573863343662/
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
That steam loco I'll admit is one of my favourite locos, having never seen one in the fleash nonwithstanding.  Due t my circumstances I do hope it take's it's time. But the one in the display booth would satisfyme quite well. I like mnay would prefer the more modern version that pulled the BCH's and as used on preservation. Yet I'd love to see it wander around with a string of non-air 4wheel wagons as well.

Good Luck Southern !

Regards,
David Head

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