New locos at UGL

 
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

With the Australian dollar having lost forty-percent of its value since 2011, imported locomotives (and rollingstock) are now significantly more expensive. Assembling locally would be more price competitive than it was in the era of the high dollar during the 2011-2013 period that largely destroyed local manufacturing.

The likes of Bradken and Downer may well be regretting some of their previous long term business decisions based around short term dollar values.

It's also likely that PN's experience with the narrow gauge SDA-2 88 class has cured it of any interest in non-standard products. .
I do get the point, however aren't the expensive bits, like the engine, electrical systems, etc all imported in any case?
Big J
That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.

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  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
With the Australian dollar having lost forty-percent of its value since 2011, imported locomotives (and rollingstock) are now significantly more expensive. Assembling locally would be more price competitive than it was in the era of the high dollar during the 2011-2013 period that largely destroyed local manufacturing.

The likes of Bradken and Downer may well be regretting some of their previous long term business decisions based around short term dollar values.

It's also likely that PN's experience with the narrow gauge SDA-2 88 class has cured it of any interest in non-standard products. .
I do get the point, however aren't the expensive bits, like the engine, electrical systems, etc all imported in any case?
That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.
Sulla1
Wow, that price change is worth considering!
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Not to mention that shipping something as large as a loco across the world is quite costly, especially when the shipping service will want to be paid in USD.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.
I'm not being difficult but why do you say $100,000 a year (AUD) ???

I walked away from manufacturing in 2007 because it paid $15.62 an hour --- that's $31,000.   Their current pay offer is in the mid to low 40's.
GS4
Plus insurances
Plus leave entitlements
Plus super
Plus shift loading
Plus $100k is a nice round number.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.
I'm not being difficult but why do you say $100,000 a year (AUD) ???

I walked away from manufacturing in 2007 because it paid $15.62 an hour --- that's $31,000.   Their current pay offer is in the mid to low 40's.
GS4
It was purely a very round number to demonstrate the change in the Australian dollar compared to the US. I've no doubt it's largely imaginary.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
"Qube has awarded the contract to build four locomotives to UGL, part of the CIMIC Group.
The four locomotives will be built in Newcastle at UGL’s workshops there, said UGL’s managing director Jason Spears."
https://www.railexpress.com.au/qube-purchases-four-locomotives-from-ugl/
no doubt they'll need a lot more locos for their share of the Bluescope contract.
  Noelwb123 Station Master

I am a puzzled to the reference in Qube's statement about extending their light rail presence? Could this be a reference to narrow guage? If so are looking at a new narrow guage cf44.
Noel
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I am a puzzled to the reference in Qube's statement about extending their light rail presence? Could this be a reference to narrow guage? If so are looking at a new narrow guage cf44.
Noel
Noelwb123

The light rail reference is from UGL's media release which also covers a contract for the Adelaide tram network.

Rail Express editing fail.
  firefox Station Master

I am a puzzled to the reference in Qube's statement about extending their light rail presence? Could this be a reference to narrow guage? If so are looking at a new narrow guage cf44.
Noel
Noelwb123


An incredibly poorly worded press release, but I finally figured it out. The statement is from UGL, not Qube and refers to the last sentence in the release about UGL being recently awarded a contract with John Holland to run the Adelaide Tram Network
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
"Qube has awarded the contract to build four locomotives to UGL, part of the CIMIC Group.
The four locomotives will be built in Newcastle at UGL’s workshops there, said UGL’s managing director Jason Spears."
https://www.railexpress.com.au/qube-purchases-four-locomotives-from-ugl/
no doubt they'll need a lot more locos for their share of the Bluescope contract.
I just saw this on the C44ACi page on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGL_Rail_C44aci


Qube unspecified number of locos.

There is mention of 7 C44's for Watco also ..........
GS4
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
LancedDendrite
I am not sure if anyone has had a look at C44ACi Wikipedia page recently, but this has popped up in the last few days, I am talking about the SCT bit, and the Watco bit has been fiddled with.


Watco Australia
In 2019 7 Locomotives operate infrastructure trains with WTR Locomotives From UGL Rail C44aci In November 2019 Watco acquired a majority shareholding in Intermodal Group Western Australian intermodal container service from SCT Logistics.

Qube Holdings
Qube announced the purchase of an unspecified number of locomotives in March 2020, for delivery over 18 months.

SCT Logistics
In 2020 5 Locomotives SCR From UGL Rail C44aci In August 2020 SCT Logistics in Intermodal Group intermodal container Australian.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
QUBE and SCT are probably for the steel train contracts they won from BlueScope.
  aident Locomotive Fireman

Location: Somewhere in the Hunter
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
I am not sure if anyone has had a look at C44ACi Wikipedia page recently, but this has popped up in the last few days, I am talking about the SCT bit, and the Watco bit has been fiddled with.


Watco Australia
In 2019 7 Locomotives operate infrastructure trains with WTR Locomotives From UGL Rail C44aci In November 2019 Watco acquired a majority shareholding in Intermodal Group Western Australian intermodal container service from SCT Logistics.

Qube Holdings
Qube announced the purchase of an unspecified number of locomotives in March 2020, for delivery over 18 months.

SCT Logistics
In 2020 5 Locomotives SCR From UGL Rail C44aci In August 2020 SCT Logistics in Intermodal Group intermodal container Australian.
Jack Le Lievre
Somebody obviously thinks it's hilarious to put joke edits on Wikipedia articles about contemporary Australian diesels. Probably the same guy who put on the 90 class page that Graincorp was going to get one built and that PN were going to transfer them all to Queensland. The Watco order isn't real, And I doubt the others are too.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
I am not sure if anyone has had a look at C44ACi Wikipedia page recently, but this has popped up in the last few days, I am talking about the SCT bit, and the Watco bit has been fiddled with.


Watco Australia
In 2019 7 Locomotives operate infrastructure trains with WTR Locomotives From UGL Rail C44aci In November 2019 Watco acquired a majority shareholding in Intermodal Group Western Australian intermodal container service from SCT Logistics.

Qube Holdings
Qube announced the purchase of an unspecified number of locomotives in March 2020, for delivery over 18 months.

SCT Logistics
In 2020 5 Locomotives SCR From UGL Rail C44aci In August 2020 SCT Logistics in Intermodal Group intermodal container Australian.
Somebody obviously thinks it's hilarious to put joke edits on Wikipedia articles about contemporary Australian diesels. Probably the same guy who put on the 90 class page that Graincorp was going to get one built and that PN were going to transfer them all to Queensland. The Watco order isn't real, And I doubt the others are too.
aident


The QUBE one is real, they announced the purchase of four C44's. They'd want more than that to cover the Bluescope contract when it comes in though, even for just the MW/WM circuit.

SCT certainly haven't announced anything that I've seen (though they rarely tend to) so while it wouldn't surprise me if they did order some, I'd doubt it as yet. I also wonder if they'd be more likely to go for the GT46ACe Gen2 when the time comes as well as opposed to the C44 but we'll see.
  2115A Locomotive Driver

A new locomotive frame which was loaded upside down on a truck was observed heading south near Mackay Qld . The fuel tank on this frame appeared to be similar to a 93 class. It may have been built at UGL Townsville.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrainPorn/comments/p4qucr/brand_new_ql_class_for_qube_less_than_2_months/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Appears they are the first C44ACi class to be fitted with the UGL 'Flexicurve' radial bogie.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrainPorn/comments/p4qucr/brand_new_ql_class_for_qube_less_than_2_months/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Appears they are the first C44ACi class to be fitted with the UGL 'Flexicurve' radial bogie.
GT46C-ACe

What is the 'flexicurve' radial bogie?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Not sure if that link will work but there is a pdf article on the design at railway knowledge bank. Enables the wheels to effectively steer around bends to reduce wheel wear
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Ahh great, ill take a read.  Thanks BG.  

I thought i was missing a joke about substandard wheels there for a moment...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
QUBEs' new QLs have been used on intermodal services between Cooks River and and Narrabri West this week just gone.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I couldn't get the above link to work but hopefully this one will .

file:///C:/Users/discopotato03/Downloads/Final%20-%20Edward%20Vieusseux,%20UGL%20-%20Development%20of%20the%20Flexicurve%20locomotive%20bogie.pdf


Nope , search Goninan Flexi Curve .

Anyway an interesting read , the guts of it is :

Will fit existing C44ACi units without significant mods .
Easier to maintain .
400 Kg per bogie lighter than existing Pedestal ie roller blade bogies .
Better ride .
No Pedestal liner/axle box stiction .

Equates to lighter loco mass and you'd think increase the legal fuel load by ~ 1000L .

I like the idea of using traction rods to transmit drive forces rather than axle boxes pressing directly on pedestals .
I am no bogie engineer but I tend to think that high load/friction forces (stiction) may reduce the wheelsets ability to follow track profiles under heavy loads on curves and grades .
EMDs HTSC2 bogies under SD70ACEs look to work in a similar fashion but are not steering/semi steering trucks .

I'd be interested to hear M636s opinions on this .

Maybe EDI has found a way to get the C44ACi closer to if not better than GT46ACe's traction performance .
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Another 650L or less bs about them weighing what it says on the plate?
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Diesels specific gravity is close to 75% of water so 800 kilos would get you about 1000L .

A real ACe from memory has about 18000L fuel tank capacity .
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Try this link
Then go to the record URL
and then click on the thumbnail image to open the PDF file.

(It never ceases to amaze me how Railpage mangles links and images)

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