Activity around Mitcham

 
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
Mitcham is possibly the first station in Melbourne (and I believe Australia) to have the entire platform level with the train, eliminating the need for wheelchair ramps from the train and also a significantly reduced gap between the train and the platform. Springvale might get the same treatment on the platform.

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  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980

Extract from VR gradients book 1927. http://www.victorianrailways.net/grades/gradehome.html
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Some are saying that you can sink Blackburn station In the same way as Nunawading and Mitcham, but looking at the grade chart wouldn't that make a very harsh climb on the down side of the station ?
Steeper then 1 In 40
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Sorry to disappoint you but Perthshire metro system has had perfectly matched platform heights since 1993. The entire network. Old stations and new have perfectly matched platforms so those in wheelchairs and pushing prams etc just roll in and out.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Oops sorry Perth WA
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I have found some Perth platforms to be less than perfect for wheelchair boarding. The new ones are spot on but some older ones are less so.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Mitcham is possibly the first station in Melbourne (and I believe Australia) to have the entire platform level with the train, eliminating the need for wheelchair ramps from the train and also a significantly reduced gap between the train and the platform. Springvale might get the same treatment on the platform.
Some rail man

I don't think Springvale will be as close to the train as Mitcham due to the Siemens outward opening doors. This was a problem when they first installed the ramp at Flinders St. platform 4, it had to be trimmed back.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Mitcham is possibly the first station in Melbourne (and I believe Australia) to have the entire platform level with the train, eliminating the need for wheelchair ramps from the train and also a significantly reduced gap between the train and the platform. Springvale might get the same treatment on the platform.
Some rail man


Maybe so.. But other networks around in Australia don't run 3 different bloody trains all at different heights.
Also, Box Hill (i forgot which platforms), Mooroolbark & Flinders St Station (4 & 5 i think) have had new DDA Ramps installed at Up & Down ends of the platforms which allows wheel chairs to get on and off without using a ramp.. I know this cause our company did these works..
These new ramps are starting to be put in around the system BUT only at the front of train (Where the drivers cabin is) due to the possibility the driver needs to make sure the passenger who has special needs gets off safely.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Some are saying that you can sink Blackburn station In the same way as Nunawading and Mitcham, but looking at the grade chart wouldn't that make a very harsh climb on the down side of the station ?
Steeper then 1 In 40
"Nightfire"
It doesn't look any different to Nunawading. There was a 1 in 40 climb out of Nunawading, which was increased when they lowered the station. Same thing at Blackburn.  I would like to see a current gradient diagram of the line, after these two grade separation projects, just to see what the gradient out of Nunawading actually is, and the level of the line from the diversion off the old alignment approaching Rooks Road through to the down side of Mitcham.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Seeing the new rail alignment from the height of a coach, it appears City bound looks like a bit of a roller coaster ride, when u leave Mitcham the line appears to head downhill, passing under Rooks Rid the line rises then dips and evens out to a small level section then drops right down into Nunawading...............
  Damn Locomotive Fireman

Some are saying that you can sink Blackburn station In the same way as Nunawading and Mitcham, but looking at the grade chart wouldn't that make a very harsh climb on the down side of the station ?
Steeper then 1 In 40
Nightfire

There was some talk that Blackburn would be better to be 'lifted' given that the trains climb to get to Laburnum or Nunawading.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

There was some talk that Blackburn would be better to be 'lifted' given that the trains climb to get to Laburnum or Nunawading.
Damn

That would make a lot of sense.  But could they build it in one big hit during a summer shutdown (i.e. Laburnum style), or build it parallel to the existing tracks (probably to the South)?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I received the Vicroads construction bulletin for February yesterday.
Highlights:
The car park is the first major task, and will be opened progressively, expected completion April.
Rooks Road will open Monday 10 February
Three overnight rail occupations are planned for Saturday nights 1, 8 and 15 February. For track surfacing and signalling work
A drainage retarding basin is the constructed "in the southern rail alignment behind Thornton Crescent".
A shared user path will be constructed from west of Rooks Road to Reserve Avenue, east of Mitcham Road.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

We took a stroll up to Mitcham station this afternoon, just to see how things were working, and whether any progress had been made. It seems as though nothing has happened here since the last day of the train shutdown, Friday last week.

This view shows the south side bus stops, complete with bus shelters:

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While here are the north side stops - no bus shelters and a much more unfinished appearance:

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An up train departing from the station. Note the slice off the signal - it's either a very tight squeeze, or the signal needed to be positioned closer to the rails than normal for sighting reasons:

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The view in the up direction shows reverse curves, and what definitely looks like a hump there as the track begins to drop down under Rooks Road. One morning I shall take some photos of a down train coming around the curves (perhaps a movie) which might be interesting:

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The station concourse:

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The down end of the platforms:

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  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Had a brief look after finishing a 907 run this afternoon. It definitely doesn't look like there's enough room for a third track.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
The view in the up direction shows reverse curves, and what definitely looks like a hump there as the track begins to drop down under Rooks Road. One morning I shall take some photos of a down train coming around the curves (perhaps a movie) which might be interesting:

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I can't help but notice the differences in the sides of the cutting re exposed piles & sections of shotcrete. Is there any engineering reason for doing this? It seems that no matter how the wall is constructed, there is a cap on top of the wall. And it also seems to me that once the piles are in, you can put basically whatever you like on them. Would you say that if the piles have been left exposed in the vicinity of Rooks Rd bridge that planning has been left for possible covering of the railway airspace with the aim of some commercial development over the railway line?
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
Mitcham is due for some brand spanking new myki barriers soon. The scanners are most likely to go on the Frankston line as part of that line's upgrade
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I can't help but notice the differences in the sides of the cutting re exposed piles & sections of shotcrete. Is there any engineering reason for doing this? It seems that no matter how the wall is constructed, there is a cap on top of the wall. And it also seems to me that once the piles are in, you can put basically whatever you like on them. Would you say that if the piles have been left exposed in the vicinity of Rooks Rd bridge that planning has been left for possible covering of the railway airspace with the aim of some commercial development over the railway line?
"jdekorte"

The area to the left of the line is where the drainage retarding basin is to be constructed. Perhaps that's why the mix between shotcrete and piles?  There were piles driven at Rooks Road, but I have no idea whether there might be thoughts of air space development. Most of the taller apartment buildings tend to be located closer to a station than Rooks Road.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

It's been a week or two since my last update.  After Mitcham station reopened all the workers seemed to be given a week off, as there was effectively no activity anywhere I could see. On Monday Feb 3 there was some work being done on the main Mitcham station carpark, and during this week there has also been work done on the Brunswick Street car park.

Rooks Road on Feb 3 showed the concrete gutters and footpaths being lifted, and on Friday 7th the road formation had been built up to the bridge level, complete with gutters and footpaths. By this evening (Sunday) the road (along with the Station Street intersection) had been sealed, with another layer to be applied.

No photos - it's all road works, not railway, but next week I will take some photos from the Rooks Road bridge showing the track below, in the cutting.

A couple of incidentals. Last Monday I actually used the station for the first time. We arrived with the city-bound train 1 minute away, only to find my Myki non-functional. It was swapped over quickly enough, but we missed that train. The next train didn't stop at the station (presumably because it was very late) and the following train was 4 minutes late. So instead of leaving Mitcham at (say) 10am, it was 10:36 or so before I was on a train.

Secondly, a friend called in around 8pm on Thursday. His comment, having driven along Mitcham Road, was that the level crossing, which at that time of night would be down for perhaps for 30 seconds, 8 times an hour, had been replaced by traffic lights which seemed to show red for one minute, every few minutes. He was suggesting that traffic flow may be worse than it was with the level crossing.  I blame the traffic-light engineers - it seems to me that the first and perhaps only pre-requisite is that they do not own a car, nor hold a driving licence. That allows them to make decisions on traffic light sequences free from any possible conflict of interest.  In that vein, I note a pedestrian (bike-path really) light on the Rooks Road bridge...
  garethsh Junior Train Controller

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Secondly, a friend called in around 8pm on Thursday. His comment, having driven along Mitcham Road, was that the level crossing, which at that time of night would be down for perhaps for 30 seconds, 8 times an hour, had been replaced by traffic lights which seemed to show red for one minute, every few minutes. He was suggesting that traffic flow may be worse than it was with the level crossing. I blame the traffic-light engineers - it seems to me that the first and perhaps only pre-requisite is that they do not own a car, nor hold a driving licence. That allows them to make decisions on traffic light sequences free from any possible conflict of interest. In that vein, I note a pedestrian (bike-path really) light on the Rooks Road bridge...
duttonbay


The other aspect is that previously there were 2 lanes north & south across the railway line. When I last checked northbound was still restricted due to works just before the mentioned traffic lights but hopefully will be returned to 2 lanes (after the usual row of parked cars). Southbound however was 2 lanes but now is & will remain one lane over the railway and through the traffic lights due to the introduction of a right turn lane in to Calcutta St. As I was leaving the opening of the new station I happened to bump in to the premier as he was leaving. Point it out to him that I thought it funny for a road project (something he did not like me saying) how we have gone from 2 lanes to 1 lane.

Back to a railway theme I notice that the Myki readers (later to become barriers I'm told) are way back at the top of the concourse (hidden by the crowd on opening day). With the imminent introduction of 2hr tickets being 2hr (and not at least 2hrs) having barriers so far away from the platform will it be an issue for some on 2hr tickets trying to maximise their time and touch on just before the train arrives? Would it not be better to have the myki readers where you enter the platform proper? I believe this would have cost more and cause a number of other issues such as bottle necks closer to the platform when everyone is trying to leave. Of course this would only be an issue for those (trying to be) on a 2 hr ticket come 1st of July.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

When I first heard there would be a huge bus interchange with its own traffic lights I thought the same thing, it'll just be red light after red light after red light, which of course will not be synchronized with Maroondah Hwy.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The other aspect is that previously there were 2 lanes north & south across the railway line. When I last checked northbound was still restricted due to works just before the mentioned traffic lights but hopefully will be returned to 2 lanes (after the usual row of parked cars). Southbound however was 2 lanes but now is & will remain one lane over the railway and through the traffic lights due to the introduction of a right turn lane in to Calcutta St. As I was leaving the opening of the new station I happened to bump in to the premier as he was leaving. Point it out to him that I thought it funny for a road project (something he did not like me saying) how we have gone from 2 lanes to 1 lane.
"garethsh"

from the very first concept plan I saw, the plan was for five lanes on the bridge, two each way plus the right-turn lane into Calcutta St. At the moment there are restrictions on both sides of the roadway and therefore only three lanes. The reason for the restriction is that the road surface is currently 300m or so below the level of the gutters on the northern side of the bridge. Now that Rooks Road is open (also currently restricted to one lane each way - passing by today it looks like the footpaths haven't even been poured on the bridge as yet) work can resume on Mitcham Road. This will remove the dip across the railway line, bring the road surface up to the gutter level, and allow the planned number of lanes across the bridge. The road has been widened slightly south of Brunswick Road, and the parking bay removed from in front of the two shops, to make the transition from two southbound lanes on the bridge to one along Mitcham Road (due to the parked cars) easier.

Much money could be made from fines at the moment - I have stood at that intersection and seen five or more cars go straight ahead from the right-turn lane  in a single cycle.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Had a brief look after finishing a 907 run this afternoon. It definitely doesn't look like there's enough room for a third track.
alstom_888m


Good to see money wasn't wasted on something completely unnecessary with minimal benefit.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Still a bit disappointed that those DDA ramps on both sides head right out to Mitcham Rd at ground level, with nothing more than a fence blocking access, then turning all the way back to the concourse.

Mitcham now reminds me of how Hawthorn would be if they blocked off the ramp on platforms 2+3 and made another spaghetti maze of one-way ramps leading to no less than that tiny exit on platform 1.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Finally, we noticed today that the footpaths on either side of the Rooks Road bridge were open.

Looking towards Mitcham - note the rear of an up signal just beyond the obvious down signal. This is a repeating signal for that the train has almost reached - visibility is understandably difficult in the cutting as the train rounds the curve from Mitcham station in the background.
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Alongside the railway a bike path is being constructed, seen here heading east from Rooks Road:
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The bike path will run almost to Nunawading in the city-bound direction. This segment has been concreted for some (all?) of its length:
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Here's a down train approaching the Rooks Road bridge:
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