Bicycles on trackwork buses

 
  gmitchellson Station Master

Can anyone share their experiences of taking bicycles on trackwork buses (e.g. having to wait for five buses until there's a driver lets you on)? We had planned a cycling tour for an upcoming weekend but we just realised that there's trackwork.

"Bicycles and other wheels" in Cityrail's "Conditions of Travel" dictates that:

"Free travel does not apply to CityRail bus services, including trackwork or NightRide buses."

but on their trackwork page under "Bulky items", I'm told that:

"Space is sometimes limited aboard train replacement bus services. Be aware that bicycles, surfboards, luggage trolleys and other bulky items are carried at the driver's discretion - you may have to wait for a bus with space available."

With this ambiguous information, could someone clarify if an extra ticket needs to be purchased for a bicycle on a weekend trackwork bus? It seems grossly unfair to think that we would have to purchase another ticket for our bikes on trackwork buses when we'd normally be entitled to free travel if Cityrail didn't put on trackwork.

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  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Can anyone share their experiences of taking bicycles on trackwork buses (e.g. having to wait for five buses until there's a driver lets you on)? We had planned a cycling tour for an upcoming weekend but we just realised that there's trackwork.

"Bicycles and other wheels" in Cityrail's "Conditions of Travel" dictates that:

"Free travel does not apply to CityRail bus services, including trackwork or NightRide buses."

but on their trackwork page under "Bulky items", I'm told that:

"Space is sometimes limited aboard train replacement bus services. Be aware that bicycles, surfboards, luggage trolleys and other bulky items are carried at the driver's discretion - you may have to wait for a bus with space available."

With this ambiguous information, could someone clarify if an extra ticket needs to be purchased for a bicycle on a weekend trackwork bus? It seems grossly unfair to think that we would have to purchase another ticket for our bikes on trackwork buses when we'd normally be entitled to free travel if Cityrail didn't put on trackwork.
"gmitchellson"


How the hell is it ambigous...oh look i can use big words too....track work buses are most times crowded and YES you DO have to buy a ticket for the bike....its a bike ride the bloody thing or is it just to go look at me.
  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
Can anyone share their experiences of taking bicycles on trackwork buses (e.g. having to wait for five buses until there's a driver lets you on)? We had planned a cycling tour for an upcoming weekend but we just realised that there's trackwork.

"Bicycles and other wheels" in Cityrail's "Conditions of Travel" dictates that:

"Free travel does not apply to CityRail bus services, including trackwork or NightRide buses."

but on their trackwork page under "Bulky items", I'm told that:

"Space is sometimes limited aboard train replacement bus services. Be aware that bicycles, surfboards, luggage trolleys and other bulky items are carried at the driver's discretion - you may have to wait for a bus with space available."

With this ambiguous information, could someone clarify if an extra ticket needs to be purchased for a bicycle on a weekend trackwork bus? It seems grossly unfair to think that we would have to purchase another ticket for our bikes on trackwork buses when we'd normally be entitled to free travel if Cityrail didn't put on trackwork.
"gmitchellson"


How the hell is it ambigous...oh look i can use big words too....track work buses are most times crowded and YES you DO have to buy a ticket for the bike....its a bike ride the bloody thing or is it just to go look at me.
"42101"
you only have  to pay for the bike if your riding in peak hour
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Can anyone share their experiences of taking bicycles on trackwork buses (e.g. having to wait for five buses until there's a driver lets you on)? We had planned a cycling tour for an upcoming weekend but we just realised that there's trackwork.

"Bicycles and other wheels" in Cityrail's "Conditions of Travel" dictates that:

"Free travel does not apply to CityRail bus services, including trackwork or NightRide buses."

but on their trackwork page under "Bulky items", I'm told that:

"Space is sometimes limited aboard train replacement bus services. Be aware that bicycles, surfboards, luggage trolleys and other bulky items are carried at the driver's discretion - you may have to wait for a bus with space available."

With this ambiguous information, could someone clarify if an extra ticket needs to be purchased for a bicycle on a weekend trackwork bus? It seems grossly unfair to think that we would have to purchase another ticket for our bikes on trackwork buses when we'd normally be entitled to free travel if Cityrail didn't put on trackwork.
"gmitchellson"


How the hell is it ambigous...oh look i can use big words too....track work buses are most times crowded and YES you DO have to buy a ticket for the bike....its a bike ride the bloody thing or is it just to go look at me.
"42101"
you only have  to pay for the bije if your riding in peak hour
"iDionz"


if yious ridden yours bjke yous nose have pay.
  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
sorry for the mistake  Sad  but you knew what i meant
  gmitchellson Station Master

Can anyone share their experiences of taking bicycles on trackwork buses (e.g. having to wait for five buses until there's a driver lets you on)? We had planned a cycling tour for an upcoming weekend but we just realised that there's trackwork.

"Bicycles and other wheels" in Cityrail's "Conditions of Travel" dictates that:

"Free travel does not apply to CityRail bus services, including trackwork or NightRide buses."

but on their trackwork page under "Bulky items", I'm told that:

"Space is sometimes limited aboard train replacement bus services. Be aware that bicycles, surfboards, luggage trolleys and other bulky items are carried at the driver's discretion - you may have to wait for a bus with space available."

With this ambiguous information, could someone clarify if an extra ticket needs to be purchased for a bicycle on a weekend trackwork bus? It seems grossly unfair to think that we would have to purchase another ticket for our bikes on trackwork buses when we'd normally be entitled to free travel if Cityrail didn't put on trackwork.
"gmitchellson"


How the hell is it ambigous...oh look i can use big words too....track work buses are most times crowded and YES you DO have to buy a ticket for the bike....its a bike ride the bloody thing or is it just to go look at me.
"42101"



The thing is that despite Cityrail saying that "free travel does not apply to... trackwork buses" I have never heard of any cyclist being forced to pay for an extra ticket. On very rare occasions I've seen bikes on trackwork buses - that's why I'm asking for your experiences.

I did mention "cycling tour" - which can actually mean taking the train with bikes to say, a rural area and touring the place rather than riding the whole 100km from Sydney to there and then doing the tour.

And 42101, please try to contribute and refrain from abusive language.
  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
i can see why you have to pay for a ticket for your bike cause some buses are damn small!.

Ask the driver if there is room under the bus to store the bike some buses do that (its like luggage storage but if you ask they may allow To put your bike/s under there.
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
i can see why you have to pay for a ticket for your bike cause some buses are damn small!.

Ask the driver if there is room under the bus to store the bike some buses do that (its like luggage storage but if you ask they may allow To put your bike/s under there.
"iDionz"


yeah because trackwork buses are countrylink coaches arent they....goose.
  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
i can see why you have to pay for a ticket for your bike cause some buses are damn small!.

Ask the driver if there is room under the bus to store the bike some buses do that (its like luggage storage but if you ask they may allow To put your bike/s under there.
"iDionz"


yeah because trackwork buses are countrylink coaches arent they....goose.
"newington"
i know there not but alot of buses have storage compartments under them my bus company does but i dont think wheelchair type buses do.
  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"


Umm...is that a Sydney trackwork bus?  Rolling Eyes

M
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"



Hey goose, this is what most sydney trackwork buses look like



wheres the under floor luggage area eh???
  ub3r21 Station Master

http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"


Umm...is that a Sydney trackwork bus?  Rolling Eyes

M
"Grantham"


Rolling EyesRolling Eyes Some trackwork buses replacing intercity services are of that type.

You don't know where the OP is travelling so lets not make assumptions  Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes
  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"



Hey goose, this is what most sydney trackwork buses look like


                            above here
wheres the under floor luggage area eh???
"newington"

where those doors are under the bus you can see them easily
  gilberations Assistant Commissioner

Location: Lithgow

And 42101, please try to contribute and refrain from abusive language.
"gmitchellson"



mate, trust me, i'd take that one back! he wont listen and he'll bote your head off, trust me! (i know from a lot of experience)
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"



Hey goose, this is what most sydney trackwork buses look like



wheres the under floor luggage area eh???
"newington"

where those doors are under the bus you can see them easily
"iDionz"


oh yeah, well you tell your next trackwork bus driver to open those up to put your pushbike in, tell him to take the equipment out yeah????  Laughing
  rrroLLa Chief Train Controller

When I caught a trackwork bus from Backtown to Town Hall/Central there was a nice long line of coaches waiting for us to arrive after alighting at Blacktown.  Then one every 5 or so minutes taking us back
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"



Hey goose, this is what most sydney trackwork buses look like



wheres the under floor luggage area eh???
"newington"

where those doors are under the bus you can see them easily
"iDionz"


oh yeah, well you tell your next trackwork bus driver to open those up to put your pushbike in, tell him to take the equipment out yeah????  Laughing
"newington"
there isnt equipment under there the motor etc is at the back of the bus like all of them Confused
"iDionz"


wanna bet theres nothing in there eh? wheres the handle to open it?

tell your next bus driver to open it for you and fit your 1/2 dozen bikes in there.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"



Hey goose, this is what most sydney trackwork buses look like



wheres the under floor luggage area eh???
"newington"

where those doors are under the bus you can see them easily
"iDionz"


oh yeah, well you tell your next trackwork bus driver to open those up to put your pushbike in, tell him to take the equipment out yeah????  Laughing
"newington"
there isnt equipment under there the motor etc is at the back of the bus like all of them Confused
"iDionz"


Hey moron guess what......there is equipment under there.

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  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"



Hey goose, this is what most sydney trackwork buses look like



wheres the under floor luggage area eh???
"newington"

where those doors are under the bus you can see them easily
"iDionz"



oh yeah, well you tell your next trackwork bus driver to open those up to put your pushbike in, tell him to take the equipment out yeah????  Laughing
"newington"
there isnt equipment under there the motor etc is at the back of the bus like all of them Confused
"iDionz"


Hey moron guess what......there is equipment under there.

.
"42101"


i guess so if u ever catch that bus type just ask the driver please Smile
  newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Here, very occasionally.
http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=42146

here is a picture of what i mean and it looks like a suburban bus not a coach
"iDionz"



Hey goose, this is what most sydney trackwork buses look like



wheres the under floor luggage area eh???
"newington"

where those doors are under the bus you can see them easily
"iDionz"



oh yeah, well you tell your next trackwork bus driver to open those up to put your pushbike in, tell him to take the equipment out yeah????  Laughing
"newington"
there isnt equipment under there the motor etc is at the back of the bus like all of them Confused
"iDionz"


Hey moron guess what......there is equipment under there.

.
"42101"


i guess so if u ever catch that bus type just ask the driver please Smile
"iDionz"


the driver doesnt give two shits whats under his bus while hes trying to run a service, least of all tell some yuppie foamer.
  iDionz Banned

Location: Banned
what equipment is under there?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Equipment to Power the bus

Kind Regards
  Sydney_Gunzel Chief Commissioner

Location: The Red Lines.
what equipment is under there?
"iDionz"

Air brake equipment, gearbox, battery boxes and probably some auxiliary equipment. Stop pretending to know everything.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The fact that CityRail replaces it's own (train) service during trackwork with buses, rather than with trains (which would otherwise hinder trackwork and be impossible). Therefore, there simply doesn't appear to be any alternative mode of public transport that one can take a bike onto besides a Taxi.
As I see it:
Train- Yes*
Trackwork Bus- No^
Bus- No
Taxi- Yes
"Am I allowed to take my bike onto..."


*Child Ticket must be purchased during peak hour
^At Drivers' discretion

With this ambiguous information, could someone clarify if an extra ticket needs to be purchased for a bicycle on a weekend trackwork bus? It seems grossly unfair to think that we would have to purchase another ticket for our bikes on trackwork buses when we'd normally be entitled to free travel if Cityrail didn't put on trackwork.

I agree with this statement, as when there is trackwork on an entire line, it basically means there won't be any train services (with no alternative matching speed and capacity) running on that weekend. Though this is the decision made by CityRail.

It is also ambiguous, in that even if you bought an additional ticket, the website still says it is up to the drivers discretion (no assurance or predictability) as there are no explicit instructions in directing one on what to do besides "MAY have to wait for another bus".

A trend that I have noticed is that ticket checking is almost always done prior to boarding trackwork buses replacing intercity lines, whereas for the past 10 years that I have used the trackwork services, replacing the East Hills lines, I have seldom bought a ticket, as on all occasions I've boarded, the driver has never requested to see a ticket and on occasions when people show them a ticket- there is no response or they aren't looking.

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