GSR - The Overland Thread

 
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I don't think it is a conscious effort on the part of government to make it unattractive though - its just the passage of time and neglect of government departments to adjust policy/program settings to match current realities.  Neglect is passive, conspiracy is active.  I don't think the govermnet on this has been at all 'active' in the decline of the Overland.

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  Campaspe 2 Locomotive Driver

I notice that GSR have extended the period on which you can now book seats on The Overland out to the end of June 2016. I haven't seen any Media Releases from the Victorian Government, so I'm not sure what triggered GSR to go beyond the end of December 2015 to the end of June 2016. They appear to have made the change in early November.

On two further Overland topics:

Does anyone know if a Motorail wagon was attached to the Overland on the last day this feature was available from Melbourne, i.e. Saturday, 31 October 2015? A Motorail wagon was certainly attached on Tuesday, 27 October 2015.

Does anyone have a current menu from the Overland?  Unlike V/Line and NSW TrainLink, they don't appear to have their on-board menus up on their website.

Thanks

Kind Regards

Campaspe
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I notice that GSR have extended the period on which you can now book seats on The Overland out to the end of June 2016. I haven't seen any Media Releases from the Victorian Government, so I'm not sure what triggered GSR to go beyond the end of December 2015 to the end of June 2016. They appear to have made the change in early November.

Thanks

Kind Regards

Campaspe
Campaspe 2
This is from GSR's web site news http://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/the_overland_opens_for_2016_bookings/

Bookings for The Overland are now open for travel up to 30 June 2016.
The Victorian Government has committed to a six-month extension of its existing agreement with Great Southern Rail, supporting the continued operation of The Overland from 31 December 2015 to 30 June 2016.
Great Southern Rail has immediately opened bookings for the service. The Overland will continue to operate twice a week between Melbourne and Adelaide.
For travel up to 30 June 2016, existing 2015 fares for The Overland will apply.

We will provide further information with regard to Overland travel beyond 1 July 2016 as it becomes available.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

Does anyone have a current menu from the Overland?  Unlike V/Line and NSW TrainLink, they don't appear to have their on-board menus up on their website.

Thanks

Kind Regards

Campaspe
Campaspe 2
I thought it was just a soggy lukewarm pie and a can of coke these days?
  Alphabet Train Controller

Location: Moonee Ponds
I took The Overland to Adelaide last weekend, in Red.

It was hard to get a gauge on exact numbers. A good number of people joined the train at North Shore.

However, what was a bit disappointing was how few people got off elsewhere. One got off at Ararat and three joined there, but apart from that:

- Stawell: 3 alighted, none joined
- Horsham: 2 alighted, none joined
- Dimboola: none alighted, none joined (only stopped for crew change)

We didn't stop at Nhill or Bordertown at all; they announced as we left Dimboola that we wouldn't be stopping because no one had booked to get off there nor join the train there, so speak now or forever hold your peace sort of thing.

And then one person got off at Murray Bridge.

I thought the standard of the food was actually pretty decent, to be honest. Had a good Turkish roll, a lasagne, some scones, a couple of coffees and even indulged in a couple of Coopers Pales for lunch. And I had no issues comfort wise.

I hope the train survives, but I'm far from sure that it will.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I noticed on the GSR site this morning that not only are Overland bookings allowed through to June next year but the Commonwealth pensioner concessions are still in place. This is despite them not being on any other GSR service from 1/1/2016.

Did they also do a special deal to keep concessions in place on the Overland and then not announce it? There's still no announcements on anything apart from GSR themselves: I'm still waiting for an official press release from the Victorian government telling us what they've done/plan to do with the train service.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I'm still waiting for an official press release from the Victorian government telling us what they've done/plan to do with the train service.
don_dunstan
I thought for a moment that they might be trying to cover up this blatant corporate welfare out of shame. I then remembered that shame would be rather uncharacteristic of this regime where the CFMEU is pulling the strings.
  cmjl Station Master

Location: Adelaide
I used The Overland to go ADL to MEL on monday and then the reverse the following saturday.

The Red standard car I was in was fairly full in both directions, with only 4 or 5 seats spare.

This service is definitely used by country folk too, with people alighting and boarding at all the stops made on both journeys. On the way to MEL I got chatting with an elderly lady who got on at Horsham to travel to Ararat only, so there is some intrastate travel.

Food was ok but I took my own, even brewed my own tea. But that's another reason I like The Overland - try makin your own tea on a bus!

Here's hoping it continues.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Here's hoping it continues.
cmjl
Not me. I wish for something more modern and faster that you can actually use.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
1/1/2016.

V/line offers free travel on their first services to any destination or intermediate point in the Victorian PT network on this day.

With this information three of us decided to catch the first down Ararat on New Years day and travel to Stawell for lunch and a few libations.

At 14.54 from Stawell we were booked to travel by...The Overland back to Melbourne, so after waiting in the recently reopened air-conditioned waiting room with facilities at Stawell station...what do you think happened at 2:54 Question

Right on time, but actually a few minutes early The Overland rolls in Exclamation

Despite the hysteria written in this thread by some who really should have taken a Valium and had a lie down, that the Overland will be/should/must be cancelled in perpetuity because it doesn't suit THEIR particular travel requirements, we had a pleasant journey to Melbourne with the 100 other pax on the train and paying V/Line fares..Wink

The Overland rolls on...

Mike.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Just going to throw an out there idea out there, but with the Murray Basin works providing SG connection from Geelong to Maryborough (via Ballarat) to Ararat, would a rerouting of the Overland over those routes make the service more attractive to users?  It will of course add time which would be problematic for those travelling Adelaide-Melbourne which would have a negative impact, but would there be additional pax attracted to the service with this route? Feel free to point me to a previous discussion if there has been one.


Also, out of interest - how many seats are usually on sale for the Overland?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
9310 leads the overland today.

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/mountloftywest/photo/30787610936
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
9310 leads the overland today.

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/mountloftywest/photo/30787610936
bevans
9310 also lead the Saturday Overland 7MA8 from Melbourne
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
9310 also lead the Saturday Overland 7MA8 from Melbourne
Pressman

Is this a permanent change to the 93 class?

Lofty has a nice photo!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
9310 also lead the Saturday Overland 7MA8 from Melbourne

Is this a permanent change to the 93 class?

Lofty has a nice photo!
bevans
Hard to say Brian, sometimes it's a 93 sometimes it's an NR
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Is this a permanent change to the 93 class?

Lofty has a nice photo!Hard to say Brian, sometimes it's a 93 sometimes it's an NR
Pressman
Would be all to do with loco balancing to meet PN's preferred loco rostering.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
At one stage PN were using The Overland as a means to cycle NR class locos off East-West services (to WA) through to the Maintenance Facility at Spotswood as I think NR's like many modern locos needed a service every 90 days or so.   The working then seemed to change with NR's being allocated on a semi dedicated basis.   I'm assuming that as traffic patterns constantly change that this could then perhaps again be the case as to why the 93 was on.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is the 93 cheaper to run than an NR in the same job?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
There are a number of Railpagers like BDA and others who know a lot about locomotives but I'm assuming that because the Class 93's are both newer and are the next incremental development after the NR's and their like that they could well be more fuel efficient.

What I do know is that the original deal for the revamped Overland service back in 2005/2006 was that GSR at that time had a Hook and Pull rate based on BL/G class haulage of the Overland but received the advantage of having the more powerful NR's run the train because it assisted PN in cycling NR's as I previously stated.    That has long since gone and PN around 2012/2013 upped the rates for haulage considerably at a time when they had a shortage of motive power.  This was the principal reason for the reduction in frequency from three to two round trips per week.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Overland was very late into Melbourne last night account a collision with a car at Cressy.  Freights were also delayed into the Evening. The Overland arrived into Melbourne around 11:35pm.  5 hours late.

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