Where am I Victoria? - Non Cryptic - #3

 
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
That's bordering on cryptic!

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
That is cryptic!

The wildest of stabs at Elingamite.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
I'm going to take the cryptic route.  There's a A, a B and a D in the guesses (and now an E, thanks to Valvegear), so I think it's crying out for a C, so I'll say Cobden.  And there was, I believe, a tramway there in the 20s.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
(Mind you, I could have said Cudgewa on the premise that it was a high C, but it's the wrong area, so I shan't.)
  deadlaker Train Controller

Sincere Apologies - I looked at my post and thought it was could be interpreted on the Cryptic side of things and so it proved.  I can report that a Cryptic crossword renders me to a instant state of clueless-ness.  So - how it would it would it go if I said the "link" was a highway?  And if the 'musical' reference was about a trendy theatre performance?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
(Mind you, I could have said Cudgewa on the premise that it was a high C, but it's the wrong area, so I shan't.)
"Faredodger"
And anyway, it was owned by Luciano Pavarotti.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
All right, as a last resort I'll say Mortlake.

It's on the Hamilton Highway between Derrinallum and Penshurst.  And Hamilton is a recent musical.

I did find a reference to a 5'3" tramway built to a quarry at Mt. Shadwell to transport scoria for ballast during the construction of the line.
And there's an extinct volcano nearby, which, I think is the similarity to Alvie.
  deadlaker Train Controller

Faredodger has got it with Mortlake.

Derrinallum (Mt Elephant), Mortlake (Mt Shadwell) and Penshurst (Mt Rouse) are all on the Hamilton ("the musical") Highway.  The rail links between the three were somewhat less direct!  In all cases there was a 5'3" line going to a scoria pit at an extinct/dormant volcano.  Unlike Derri and Penshurst, I think at Mortlake there is practically zero evidence of the ballast line ever existing.

The commonality with Alvie was more to do with it and Mortlake being termini of short branch lines off the Port Fairy line.

Over to you Faredodger.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
Thanks, deadlaker.

If they were scoria pits on a highway with a musical connexion, perhaps it was a musical scoria.

On the theme of stations with tramways and musical connexions, we are now looking for a closed station on a still open line.

A tramway ran from the station at one stage.

And the town it served has a musical connexion.
  deadlaker Train Controller

Just going with a complete WSITD to kick things off.  I haven't looked to see if there was a tramway at this location but here goes:  Quambatook.

The musical link would be that John Williamson grew up there.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
Creditable guess.  I wasn't aware that John Williamson grew up there.  Perhaps he performed at the Royal Lalbert Hall.

I'm afraid it didn't Quambatake.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Not sure if there was a tramway here or not but Nick Cave grew up near Wangaratta.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
I wouldn't have known that, railblogger, but I don't follow pop. music much.

It isn't Wangaratta; we're looking for a completely closed station, not merely an emasculated one.  (I don't know about any possible tramway from Wang either.)

But you're right in one respect - the station concerned was on an open line that still has a regular passenger service.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
No takers?  All right, here's another clue:

In terms of the next stations in either direction, in the last years of the station in question, the station in one direction was still open (and remains so to this day), while the station in the other direction had closed some years before.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Nilma? No idea of any musical connection, but it had a tramway, and the next station of Darnum closed long before Nilma, while Warragul remains open.
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
Not Nilma, duttonbay, but you're very, very close!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I think I got it the wrong way around.  Nilma closed before Darnum. Both had tramways. So let's say Darnum, with Nilma the previously closed station in one direction, and Yarragon the currently open one in the other. No idea of any musical connection, although presumably the local publican once played the piano!
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
Yes, it is Darnum, which closed, I believe, in the 70s (Nilma closed on the 50s).

Between about 1890 and about 1903 a tramway (known as the Darnum-Elinbank tramway) ran south from the station to the Elinbank Sawmill, owned, or part-owned, by a Benjamin James Cropley, the distance being about 7 miles.  It used a Fowler 0-4-2 locomotive which is almost identical to one owned by the Warburton Timber Company later on (although no connexion can necessarily be proved).

Until fairly recently, there was a very interesting music museum in the township.  If the publican played the piano, I'm not aware of it.

The road is yours, duttonbay.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Yes, it is Darnum, which closed, I believe, in the 70s (Nilma closed on the 50s).

Between about 1890 and about 1903 a tramway (known as the Darnum-Elinbank tramway) ran south from the station to the Elinbank Sawmill, owned, or part-owned, by a Benjamin James Cropley, the distance being about 7 miles.  It used a Fowler 0-4-2 locomotive which is almost identical to one owned by the Warburton Timber Company later on (although no connexion can necessarily be proved).

Until fairly recently, there was a very interesting music museum in the township.  If the publican played the piano, I'm not aware of it.

The road is yours, duttonbay.
Faredodger
According to Mike McCarthy, in his book "Settlers and Sawmillers", the Shire tramway never got off the ground. The 3-ft gauge tramway running into Darnum was simply known as Copley's Tram, after the sawmiller. In his later book "Mountains of Ash" he very clearly states that the Fowler went from Darnum to Warburton, with a spell at Mitchellstown on the way. If there is no connection I am sure he would love to know!

I remember the music museum,although never stopped. I passed by not-infrequently as I headed east out photographing trains.

Stand by for the next question.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

OK then, we are looking for a station immediately adjacent to a bridge. The distance from the station to the bridge is very similar to the length of the bridge.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Not sure if this qualifies but Melton?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Stratford (upon Avon).
  Faredodger Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
Mike McCarthy appears to be right.  My source was the spring 1967 issue of Light Railways.  I suspect from the wording the author (M. Plummer) wanted to say the Fowler from Darnum went to Warburton, but without absolute proof was too cautious to make that assertion.  I have now found a later edition of the same publication (December 2009), in which Frank Stamford says the Fowler did go to Warburton.

I visited the museum a couple of times.  A fascinating array of vintage pianos (no publican), pianolas (they don't need a publican) and even an Aeolian player organ.

Anyway, back to the quiz.  My guess is Dennington.
  deadlaker Train Controller

A bit unsure on the question in respect to the station being immediately next to the bridge.  Is it the distance to the station building or just to the station yard?  Anyway, I'll guess with Cavendish.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
A bit unsure on the question in respect to the station being immediately next to the bridge.  Is it the distance to the station building or just to the station yard?  Anyway, I'll guess with Cavendish.
deadlaker
I'll toss in Casterton.

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