The tube cash price is 4 GBP mininium for any journey as a incentive to get the cards and for revenue, some recent videos I have seen show many tube show customers in a fury at the ticket counter and abusing the seller over having to pay 4 pounds for what could be walking distance.
They ought to just bloody walk then.
I initially interepted some comments as the upcoming card having an expiry? Or are there different cards proposed.
Depends on how it's done. If they're going to retain weeklies, TravelTens and the like, yes; but if the go PAYG as the Asians do, it never expires (unless they update the technology). Experience shows the Singapore EZ-Link card is held by everyone, including Malaysians who visit every few months, simply because it does not expire and the money stays on the card.
If you're only there for a short while, you can cash it back in (same for Octopus).
I just dont want a 'prepaid' card that expires. I can't think of any other type of prepaid load it up card that does not have an expiry.
Hence me banging on about this PAYG thing. I even had it figured.
The other aspect is despite a changeover period, surely issues with the actual funding of your fare will come up which may cause confusion or crowding at stations
Is every station going to have a topup machine ? Not every station has TVMs and/or staffed windows at the moment
International practice dictates that every station will need a TVM and a reader.
What if you need to travel urgently and do not have enough credit and do not find a means to change cash into credit. They expect someone to find a working internet and top up ?
Smart fone? hope your smart fone is charged, is online, has credit and works.
EFTPOS. If you're going around sans cash, sans cards you are asking for it.
In a western country public transport is one of the most essential public services and things are kept traditional for a reason, to make it accessible to anyone anywhere. London and others changed over because they did not have a choice, they had to for their own good. Other government run systems changed over because 'it looks nice' on paper, to the voters.
Private operators can do what they like as they offer a service, but not a public one.
I gather the impression you are satisfied with the current ticketing system. Please tell me I am wrong.
I would argue that the changeover would have been easier for melbourne people despite their issues. They had multi mode flexibile ticketing and conductors for a long time prior to their new systems.
Hong Kong's Octopus was introduced to replace coin-boxes on buses and trams, plastic magnetic stripe tickets on the MTR and KCR, and token receptacles on the ferries. They did not pass through the Travelpass stage.
Where as us sydney people have been buying our tickets the same way forever, the only change being the actual physical medium of the ticket has changed. THe way we have bought it and the structure has largely not changed. Even the 1992 TVMs were kept as simple as possible, for a reason.
Opal will retain TVMs and gates. Instead of sticking a ticket into the gate, you wave your card over the reader. It's easier!
Just because we've been doing it since the dreamtime doesn't make it best practice. We have to change this archaic practice.
If there is a cash TVM people will still use that, the TVMs have been around for 20 years now so have the gates. If you have coins or cash on you, you can quickly and easily get a ticket from the TVM or Window in a matter of seconds.
Where have you been? TVMs will also now take EFTPOS. Hell, at major stations they have EFTPOS-only machines (as a result, I normally use EFTPOS to buy tickets simply because it allows me to bypass a line).
I've been lucky in that since TVM new I've only had my coins eaten once and that was only a few months ago and ended a 'good' day and like some of you i have commuted quite a bit up to several destination a day.
TVMs are better than vending machines.
I have old family members who still are afraid of the ticket barriers as they do not understand them fully or are afraid it will intentionally/uninentionally eat their ticket, let alone a cashless system that MAY need the internet or a 'complex' setup involving a bank account or debit/credit card for old people who may be paranoid or reluctant.
Cash TVMs will still be here. The gates won't be able to swallow any tickets because they won't go inside them. What you wave will not magically disappear.
I am not a fan of the CBD exclusive prepay only buses either. I can understand the need for it but I do not like the concept.
I like it very much. I can understand why you might dislike it, but I believe the decision was the right one. Paying cash fares makes everyone losers - boarding is slowed, fares are 25% more expensive.
Failing to have an integrated fare structure is a disgrace. Adelaide had it sorted in the 1960s, and every other major jurisdiction in Australia and most of the rest of the world can do it.
Absolutely. The time has come to abandon the shackles of the old system.
God forbid that there should be any improvement to anything.
THISI imagine that expiry would only apply to concession cards, which logically need expiry. I'd also imagine that the money can be refunded or transferred to another card.
I believe that is the Singapore approach. To prevent fraudulent use of concession EZ-Link, however, the concession card is a multipurpose card that serves as Student ID, proof of privilege of concession and concession ticket.
Opal offers us a solution to all out ticketing pains in one fell swoop. It's the perfect moment to move to a Singapore-style integrated network, with fairer fares to boot. Instead of standing at the newsagent wondering which bloody ticket to buy, all you have to do is top up and tap away.
I'm sorry, but the problem in this mess is 1) between election and election, and 2) between door and green machine.