Fitzroy and North Fitzroy Goods Yards

 
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
G'day All, After looking at photo's and signal diagrams for Fitzroy and North Fitzroy goods yard I am wanting to know what particular industries/sidings were located there, apart from the briquette shed(s). Any help appreciated.
Weston Langford's photos show an interesting track layout for Fitzroy Goods yard, could make an interesting shunting layout.

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/114482.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/114483.jpg

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/117609/


Regards, Andrew G.

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  Bruce McLean Junior Train Controller

Location: Kangaroo Flat
The first two photos show stacks of timber.

Bruce
  chonnaigh Station Master

Location: Vic
G'day All, After looking at photo's and signal diagrams for Fitzroy and North Fitzroy goods yard I am wanting to know what particular industries/sidings were located there, apart from the briquette shed(s). Any help appreciated.
Weston Langford's photos show an interesting track layout for Fitzroy Goods yard, could make an interesting shunting layout.

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/114482.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/114483.jpg

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/117609/


Regards, Andrew G.
"TTrakAndrew"


From memory, there was Canterbury Timber (timber products from Orbost and Mt Gambier)
Also, National Can Co. (a recycler too)  and a briquette merchant.
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
The first two photos show stacks of timber. Bruce
"Bruce McLean"

After a bit more searching/surfing I found this post on the ausrail archive(?):

  "Hi Guys, The section between Royal Park and Nth Fitzroy was still operated as a goods only line well past the Aug 1981 date that Roger mentioned. Fitzroy Goods yard serviced a Briquette Depot, a timber yard, and a public siding well into the mid 80's In 1983 I had the dubious honour of "placing" an RY off the end of the No:1 track, over the baulks and onto the footpath in Queens Pde when a coupler broke on the rake I was making up when running the Fitzroy Pilot! My memory is a little hazy but I think the last goods ran sometime in 1985 or 86 The Chandler Hwy bridge over the Yarra river is another bit of the Outer Circle still in existence. (Although it is now a road bridge, not rail) Hope this helps, Cheers, Mick Molloy Ex VicRail-V/line Guard   "
Now I am assuming the timber yard received via rail.

A post on Trams Down Under:
http://tdu.to/57710.msg?sid=82099
describes the briquette siding at Fitzroy goods yard as being half  mile long.
Museum Victoria has the following picture:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/764273/negative-state-electricity-commission-fitzroy-victoria-circa-1920s-1960s
which includes the notable footbridge.


Regards,
             Andrew G.
  Mikey127 Junior Train Controller

I didn't know as well as being a comedian Mick Molloy was a guard Smile
  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

I didn't know as well as being a comedian Mick Molloy was a guard Smile
"Mikey127"


Well maybe not the same one but i know Mick Molloy , have been told that story of the RY beeing shunted into Queens Pde a number of times , Mick is also a fellow modeller and was a member of the Metro model railway club in Coburg when it was going

Bill
  Arthur323 Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Vic
Three photos of Fitzroy goods yard were recently added to Booksvic's photos - http://www.flickr.com/photos/60901191@N08/sets/
Go to the set Structures - Victoria then go to the end of this set.
Photos show two overhead hoppers, could have been grain and cement.
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
Three photos of Fitzroy goods yard were recently added to Booksvic's photos - http://www.flickr.com/photos/60901191@N08/sets/
Go to the set Structures - Victoria then go to the end of this set.
Photos show two overhead hoppers, could have been grain and cement.
"Arthur323"


G'day All, Thank-you for the feed-back so far, it looks like Fitzroy Goods Yard was a very interesting place indeed. Very much a candidate for an N scale shunting layout, as that is my modelling scale. A selectively compressed version in HO come up very well also, quite suited to the exhibition scene and a welcome change to the branch lines and other rural settings. Personally I enjoy them, but while not exactly boring, they are becoming repetitive. Some bonuses include being able to run B and X class loco's, common VR (GY's, vans, perhaps J cement hoppers) and interstate rollingstock (South Auz for timber), and having at least one overall `steady earner' in the industry setting with the briquettes.
Now if we can work out an accurate track plan, which the booksvic photo's will help greatly, we might get something going in the 1:160/9mm between the rails department.
Thanks again, and please keep the info coming, Andrew G.
My BLOG is at:
http://ttrakandrew.wordpress.com/
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
A slow body but faster mind meant a bit of time at the computer this morning. The result was a surf through the Public Records of Victoria web-site and the following findings:

Building Plans: Groom Street North Fitzroy (Railway Siding), National Can Co Pty Ltd, Factory - Addition

http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewItem&breadcrumbPath=Home/Access%20the%20Collection/Browse%20The%20Collection/Item%20Details&entityId=5172270224

Building Plans: Railway Siding Fitzroy Foresta Timber Mills Pty Ltd Timber Mills - Additions & Alterations

http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewItem&breadcrumbPath=Home/Access%20the%20Collection/Browse%20The%20Collection/Item%20Details&entityId=0172271330

An early photo, briquette shed still under construction, STEAM ENGINE A1 837, the brick yard office, and what looks like stacks of Mallee roots.

http://wiki.prov.vic.gov.au/index.php/VPRS_12903_P1_Box_021/05

While I can download the photo, has anyone had experience with ordering items such as the building plans fomr the Public Records Office?
Also, does anyone with access to TRAINHOBBY books and/or the Channel 5 Productions video "The Inner Circle Plus - CFRD-1003" know if they have content relevant to the Fitzroy Goods Yard?

Thanks again for the help already received,
                                                                      Andrew G.

My BLOG is at:
http://ttrakandrew.wordpress.com//quote
  steaming Locomotive Driver

The first two photos show stacks of timber. Bruce
"Bruce McLean"

After a bit more searching/surfing I found this post on the ausrail archive(?):

  "Hi Guys, The section between Royal Park and Nth Fitzroy was still operated as a goods only line well past the Aug 1981 date that Roger mentioned. Fitzroy Goods yard serviced a Briquette Depot, a timber yard, and a public siding well into the mid 80's In 1983 I had the dubious honour of "placing" an RY off the end of the No:1 track, over the baulks and onto the footpath in Queens Pde when a coupler broke on the rake I was making up when running the Fitzroy Pilot! My memory is a little hazy but I think the last goods ran sometime in 1985 or 86 The Chandler Hwy bridge over the Yarra river is another bit of the Outer Circle still in existence. (Although it is now a road bridge, not rail) Hope this helps, Cheers, Mick Molloy Ex VicRail-V/line Guard   "
Now I am assuming the timber yard received via rail.

A post on Trams Down Under:
http://tdu.to/57710.msg?sid=82099
describes the briquette siding at Fitzroy goods yard as being half  mile long.
Museum Victoria has the following picture:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/764273/negative-state-electricity-commission-fitzroy-victoria-circa-1920s-1960s
which includes the notable footbridge.


Regards,
             Andrew G.
"TTrakAndrew"




K153 ran round there on a tour, possibly the VT in July 1976
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
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K153 ran round there on a tour, possibly the VT in July 1976[/quote]

Thank-you Steaming, that is another useful piece of info to chase up data with.

I decided to extend my internet search by using search terms that related to one of the main physical features of the Fitsroy goods yard, the footbridge, as I reasoned that non-railfans may well have this as there main reference point or memory. So I used the following for image searching:

“foot bridge”/footbridge + Fitzroy
“foot bridge”/footbridge + Fitzroy + rail

“foot bridge”/footbridge + Fitzroy + goods

I got some interesting results that have provided useful data.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/northcotehystericalsociety/6332777295/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/95818324@N00/499141474/

plus:


http://www.picturevictoria.vic.gov.au/site/yarra_melbourne/NorthFitzroy/19043.html

I now have extra photo's of the two sets of silos used to transload to trucks which suggest at least one was for grain, and it was at the time of the photo carried by the truck company H A Chalmers. This company still exists and will soon get an email from me.
The `Colorbond' type sheds were used by Bunge for bagged flour distribution. Hopefully the big multinational will be able to find room to corrspond with one not so humble researcher.
I have got quotes from Public Records Victoria on electronic copies of the National Can and Timber company building plans that will stretch the hobby budget next month!!

I received a referral to:

http://emhs.org.au/gallery/maps/1945_aerial_photo_-_melbourne_north?size=_original

which is a 1945 aerial map of Melbourne north and includes the Fitzroy goods yard. The long white rectangle of the roof of the briquette shed is clearly visible when you work out where Queens Parade is. It looks about 5 or six cricket pitches long, fortunately there was a sports ground not too far away!
I'm not sure, but I think that the Weston Langford site has provided a few extra photo's on the goods yard in recent days.

The footbridge is now at the Mornington Peninsular Tourist Railway, courtesy of Puffing Billy Society getting the contract to move it. This is looking more and more like an N scale modelling project, but I will need heaps of GY's for briquettes and grain transloading. Perhaps Aust-N-Rail could take it on ads a promotional layout!!!!????')">Very Happy')">Very Happy
With the cricket pitch on the aerial photo for scaling I should be able to work out the full length of the yard.

Regards,
             Andrew G.



Very Happy
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
For measurements, track layouts etc., try referring to the old signal diagrams...

http://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/sigdialist.html
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Annoyingly the yard in question isn't listed on that site.
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
Annoyingly the yard in question isn't listed on that site.
"nscaler69"


Yes, it is annoying, but something that is not is chasing up details of the timber mill at the goods yard. It was a timber mill of sorts, trading under the name of "Foresta Timber Mills". There aren't many internet references to this company. However a useful one is:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/1717615/binder-australian-timber-manual-volume-one-victoria-1967
where the following is recorded:
Oscar and Gunter [Leshnitzer (changed to Lesh)] negotiated contracts with the Victorian Government for logging rights in the Central (Nudgee) and Western (Cann River) Victoria. The company also purchased timber from elsewhere in Victoria and interstate. Most of the timber was processed where it was logged, then transported to Fitzroy and cut to length for customer orders. FTM sold many types of timber that were mainly used for housing. This included pine and other softwoods and hardwoods.

FTM was sold to Alstergren Holdings Limited in 1971. Alstergren was acquired by Timber Holdings Limited in 1977, who were subsequently acquired by Pyneboard Pty Limited (1988), who finally were acquired by the present-day CSR.

So it would not be unreasonable to expect IT & other timber wagons perhaps.
Plus there is an account of a fire at the premises in September 1965 at:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1300&dat=19650927&id=sHgpAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NJUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2684,4969675
After some calculation from the aerial map of Northern Melbourne the briquette shed works out at about 140metres long and 18 metres wide. That's 875mm long by 112mm wide in 1:160 scale. It might mean that even an N scale version of the yard will need a reasonable amount of selective compression.

Regards,
             Andrew G.


  woodford Chief Commissioner

Annoyingly the yard in question isn't listed on that site.
"nscaler69"


Now just in case, the North Fitzroy to Merri signal diagram is availbe for here

http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/vr/vrstationindexktor.html

The track for the North Fitzroy yard is still there, or was a year or so back.
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
Annoyingly the yard in question isn't listed on that site.
"nscaler69"


Now just in case, the North Fitzroy to Merri signal diagram is available for here

http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/vr/vrstationindexktor.html

The track for the North Fitzroy yard is still there, or was a year or so back.
"woodford"


The North Fitzroy diagram is still there, and it shows the branch off to Fitzroy [Goods Yard]. But there is no diagram that I can find on the internet that covers the actual Fitzroy Goods Yard. Perhaps because it had no significant signalling once it  crossed St George's Road?
Thank-you for taking the time and effort.
Regards,
             Andrew G.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

There's a diagram for Fitzroy in Weston Langfords book Suburban District part 2, page 24, yell out if you want a copy!

There is no signalling drawn, it seems that the whole line from North Fitroy was treated as a siding. The only signal appears to be a disk near the catch points at North Fitzroy.

The inner circle would make an INTERESTING route for a train sim.

Woodford
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
There's a diagram for Fitzroy in Weston Langfords book Suburban District part 2, page 24, yell out if you want a copy!

There is no signalling drawn, it seems that the whole line from North Fitroy was treated as a siding. The only signal appears to be a disk near the catch points at North Fitzroy.

The inner circle would make an INTERESTING route for a train sim.

Woodford
"woodford"


G'day Woodford, In this age of (on the whole quite reasonable) copyright regulations I am happy (joyfull!!!) to make an appropriately sedate request  for a copy of the diagram solely for the purposes of my own personal use and not for commercial gain. Are there photo's in that book that, given what is already on the internet,  would be relevant to my research that would make it worthwhile purchasing it?

I also agree the inner circle would be a good train sim. My next main move is to dust the stagnant bytes and electrons off my copy of TRAINZ 2004 and make up a version of the Goods Yard and try to operate it with ELX's, GH's, VLX's, a European bogie flat for timber, and a VR blue and gold B class.

Thanks, Andrew G.
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
There's a diagram for Fitzroy in Weston Langfords book Suburban District part 2, page 24, yell out if you want a copy!

There is no signalling drawn, it seems that the whole line from North Fitroy was treated as a siding. The only signal appears to be a disk near the catch points at North Fitzroy.

The inner circle would make an INTERESTING route for a train sim.

Woodford
"woodford"


G'day Woodford, In this age of (on the whole quite reasonable) copyright regulations I am happy (joyfull!!!) to make an appropriately sedate request  for a copy of the diagram solely for the purposes of my own personal use and not for commercial gain. Are there photo's in that book that, given what is already on the internet,  would be relevant to my research that would make it worthwhile purchasing it?

I also agree the inner circle would be a good train sim. My next main move is to dust the stagnant bytes and electrons off my copy of TRAINZ 2004 and make up a version of the Goods Yard and try to operate it with ELX's, GH's, VLX's, a European bogie flat for timber, and a VR blue and gold B class.

Thanks, Andrew G.
"TTrakAndrew"


G'day again Woodford,
    An internet search has revealed to me that the Weston Langford books is not a TRAINHOBBY photo book as I was assuming, but a 1993 ARHS publication of I assume solely track/signal diagrams drawn up by Weston Langford.
. Therefore please ignore the inquiry about photo's.


  Arthur323 Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Vic
Just to show that not all trains on the line were big, nor did they all comprise only VR rollingstock, here is a B class with two SAR OBF and a Z van returning to Nth Fitzroy on 10/9/1973

The tour mentioned earlier might have been this one. K153 heading for Fitzroy goods yard on a ARE Suburban Tour 18/7/1976. This photo was taken from the roof of the fire station shown in the photo above.
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
Just to show that not all trains on the line were big, nor did they all comprise only VR rollingstock, here is a B class with two SAR OBF and a Z van returning to Nth Fitzroy on 10/9/1973

The tour mentioned earlier might have been this one. K153 heading for Fitzroy goods yard on a ARE Suburban Tour 18/7/1976. This photo was taken from the roof of the fire station shown in the photo above.
"Arthur323"


G'day Arthur323 & All,
                                    Thank-you for these two photo's they are showing a different side to the long strings of briquette laden GY's. Perhaps the OBF had been bringing in timber for Foresta.
The theme of the Fitzroy North junction has resulted in these photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorjbeam/3976498888/sizes/o/in/photostream/

which shows the `classic' long string of GYs & some RY's, plus a bogie(?) brake van hidden by trees. It looks like the B class is about to shunt the grain silos at the junction.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorjbeam/7276618664/sizes/o/in/photostream/
which shows the GY/RY mix, plus more OBf's and the LONG Commonwealth Railways/ANR open wagons all loaded up with briquettes. Hiding at the back is at least one VLX van, probalby loaded with bagged flour for the Bunge wharehouse that was across the tracks from the briquette shed.

http://pjv101.net/fts/u01/de406.jpg
has a B class, single GY or RY plus ZL van. Variety certainly was the spice of life at Fitzroy goods!
This has become a very successful thread, thank-you for all the help folks, even if it a `listening ear'.
I am also wondering if recording all the various research methods is helping/informing folks about how to work through their own research?
Regards, Andrew G.



  woodford Chief Commissioner

There's a diagram for Fitzroy in Weston Langfords book Suburban District part 2, page 24, yell out if you want a copy!

There is no signalling drawn, it seems that the whole line from North Fitroy was treated as a siding. The only signal appears to be a disk near the catch points at North Fitzroy.

The inner circle would make an INTERESTING route for a train sim.

Woodford
"woodford"


G'day Woodford, In this age of (on the whole quite reasonable) copyright regulations I am happy (joyfull!!!) to make an appropriately sedate request  for a copy of the diagram solely for the purposes of my own personal use and not for commercial gain. Are there photo's in that book that, given what is already on the internet,  would be relevant to my research that would make it worthwhile purchasing it?

I also agree the inner circle would be a good train sim. My next main move is to dust the stagnant bytes and electrons off my copy of TRAINZ 2004 and make up a version of the Goods Yard and try to operate it with ELX's, GH's, VLX's, a European bogie flat for timber, and a VR blue and gold B class.

Thanks, Andrew G.
"TTrakAndrew"


There are (I think) 7 books in the series by Weston Langford in which I have 5 of them, Suburban district parts 1 and 2, Western, South Western and Eastern and South Eastern. I am missing North and Northeast also North West. The books contain hand drawn track and signal diagrams of around 3/4's of the stations in Victoria between 1956 and 1960. The books do not contain any copyright declaration at all so this makes redistribution a real grey area but I am happy to send you a scan of the apropriate page.

I regard the books as a valuable resource as in some cases it contains the only track and signal information in existance for some sites.

By the way I would love to get the last two to complete the set

Woodford
  TTrakAndrew Locomotive Driver

Location: St Arnaud Victoria
G'day All, After looking at photo's and signal diagrams for Fitzroy and North Fitzroy goods yard I am wanting to know what particular industries/sidings were located there, apart from the briquette shed(s). Any help appreciated.
Weston Langford's photos show an interesting track layout for Fitzroy Goods yard, could make an interesting shunting layout.

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/114482.jpg

http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/114483.jpg

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/117609/


Regards, Andrew G.
"TTrakAndrew"


From memory, there was Canterbury Timber (timber products from Orbost and Mt Gambier)
Also, National Can Co. (a recycler too)  and a briquette merchant.
"chonnaigh"


G'day "chonnaigh", & all,
                                      Somehow I've either skipped over, ignored, one of Weston Langford's photo's of the remnants of Fitzroy goods yard taken in 1991(or there has been a wonderful recent addition):
http://westonlangford.com/media/photos/117610.jpg
from which I can finally identify with certainty the location of National Can Co. as the three(four?) adjacent brick and CGI structures that show up next to the points in the photo's by Booksvic at  http://www.flickr.com/photos/60901191@N08/sets/ The set 'Structures - Victoria' then go to the end of this set.
The data gathering continues.
Thanks and regards,
                               Andrew G.







  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Does anyone know when the silos at North Fitzroy were taken down?
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
I have noticed over the last couple of days that Norm Bray has added a couple more photo's of Fitzroy Goods on to his Flickr site. (http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=60901191@N08&q=Fitzroy%20Goods)

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