S-set Scrapping has begun

 
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Any pictures of the scrapping in process? Just curious...
"belfordrocks"


None seem to have left Enfield yet. As of last Friday they still didn't seem to have moved.

Also for those that collect numbers, the earliest I could see was C3809. If anyone wants numbers I can take a camera tomorrow & get those that are visible from the road.

Cheers,


Richard
"ivahri"


I' sure that any info would be appreciated.

C3877 was another early withdrawal; around 30 years or so ago.
"electrax"


Is C3805 to be preserved?


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  yellowdoorssyd Chief Train Controller

An  earlier post suggested that 3809 was in the queue for scrapping. It is currently in service as part of S98 [seen today 19th Sept].

As a matter of record before the scrapping starts and after the disbanding of the R sets [Sector 2], I have collated the consists of the S sets as they stand.

UPDATED with aurora8's information

I don't believe that the Mortdale sets have altered:

S1            3912        4078        4715        3932

S3            3066        4126        4077        3079

S4            3937        4043        4128        3926

S5            3955        4050        4925        3957

S6            3979        4075        4979        3948

S7            3071        4138        4031        3041

S8            3074        4974        4945        3982

S9            3900        4971        4163        3910

S11          3973        4709        4708        3927

S12          3850        4029        4923        3837

S13          3754        4148        4070        3036

S14          3032        4926        4069        3956

S16          3944        4930        4139        3965

S18          3925        4076        4922        3892

S19          3046        4152        4110        3053

S20          3977        4146        4984        3950

S21          3756        4022        4981        3760

S22          3069        4144        4081        3952

S24          3016        4123        4062        3891

S25          3044        4721        4112        3063

S28          3976        4101        4162        3748

S29          3942        4084        4045        3761


Plus spares : 3013, 3050, 4943.

Flemington has added sets, now stretching from S38 to S100:
S38-xxxx -xxxx - xxxx -xxxx

S39 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx

S40-3027-4955-4944-3062

S41-3920-4033-4053-3872

S42-3751-4010-4005-3763

S43 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx

S44-3966-4034-4008-3917

S45 -3033-4018-4938-3021

S46-3908-4019-4975-3883

S47-3028-4704-4931-3890

S48-3902-4717-4039-3858

S49-3010-4038-4985-3808

S50-3918-4972-4960-3969

S51-3765-4035-4107-3899

S52-3936-4946-4940-3051

S53-3857-4133-4048-3888

S54-3040-4165-4978-3045

S55-3056-4941-4013-3005

S56-3862-4961-4968-3911

S57-3011-4118-4042-3018

S58-3759-4703-4702-3072

S59-3019-4156-4713-3897

S60-3963-4011-4121-3904

S61-3931-4037-4030-3930

S62-3002-4090-4169-3037

S63-3853-4976-4041-3024

S64-3935-4111-4166-3026

S65-3914-4939-4924-3921

S66-3980-4109-4102-3981

S67-3868-4963-4083-3863

S68-3753-4712-4132-3007

S69-3043-4088-4973-3029

S70-3875-4137-4104-3030

S71-3978-4155-4065-3831

S72-3810-4987-4130-3064

S73-3047-4055-4103-3061

S74-3741-4705-4124-3076

S75-3945-4094-4023-3968

S76-3747-4001-4009-3035

S77-3881-4929-4707-3884

S78-3025-4970-4170-3038

S79-3885-4060-4012-3861

S80-3048-4980-4140-3843

S81-3812-4706-4718-3817

S82-3954-4093-4157-3068

S83-3080-4149-4007-3923

S84-3986-4921-4015-3865

S85-3869-4948-4964-3848

S86-3856-4021-4027-3924

S87-3003-4958-4159-3743

S88-3014-4965-4153-3836

S89-3744-4953-4952-3959

S90-3889-4957-4051-3898

S91-3878-4134-4135-3832

S92-3806-4982-4967-3906

S93-3054-4151-4122-3873

S94-3879-4947-4026-3938

S95-3939-4711-4932-3974

S96-3008-4145-4168-3967

S97-3934-4701-4057-3949

S98-3809-4977-4936-3052

S99-3913-4106-4950-3922

S100-3929-4115-4113-3984



I saw this set without a target plate -

3752 - 4129 - 4114 - 3049.

and suspect it to be one of S38/S39/S43.

At Hornsby, at least one set was added : S151 [formerly S68] and one is unknown - S150:

S111-3015-4067-4120-3017

S112-3807-4059-4158-3020

S113-3940-4028-4056-3916

S115-3031-4064-4108-3022

S116-3039-4061-4935-3818

S118-3742-4116-4722-3746

S119-3919-4951-4937-3855

S120-3953-4024-4934-3882

S122-3009-4160-4942-3903

S123-3915-4002-4049-3971

S124-3023-4716-4006-3901

S125-3077-4147-4720-3876

S127-3001-4016-4167-3764

S129-3894-4723-4719-3958

S130-3745-4136-4956-3012

S131-3943-4063-4150-3893

S132-3947-4983-4040-3845

S133-3970-4004-4054-3059

S134-3060-4154-4142-3065

S135-3871-4003-4046-3972

S136-3847-4014-4052-3004

S137-3964-4969-4044-3067

S138-3006-4068-4073-3034

S139-3042-4105-4949-3985

S140-3058-4143-4141-3057

S141-3075-4119-4986-3961

S142-3073-4959-4095-3946

S143-3951-4161-4714-3880

S144-3887-4927-4933-3811

S145-3941-4032-4117-3758

S146-3805-4066-4164-3828

S148-3851-4962-4036-3960

S149-3078-4072-4966-3826

S150 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx

S151-3933-4125-4954-3983


After the disbanding of the R sets, these cars/trailers remain unallocated:


Plus these power cars:



3750
3757
3928 
3975
 
 



To create 3 x S sets in the S38-S45 range plus S151 requires 8 power cars and 8 trailers - there are only 7 trailers which I can find as unallocated, apart from T4943 at Mortdale.

If anyone can provide the consists of S38 / S39 & S43, plus confirm if S150 exists, the status of the S car fleets would be complete.

The extra 6 unallocated power cars could initially be placed into sets which might lose a 38xx power car for early scrapping. 

These first series S cars are unlikely to operate as they have been displaced in the reformations:  
 




3813


3814


3823


3829


3830


3860


3867


3874




3821 and 3842 were noted as withdrawn in an earlier post.

Some may find this useless info and details, however, it is starting point for the scrapping of the S set cars.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

Are the any plans to preserve some of the Silver Fleet?
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

I think the worst condition/high mileage cars will be first to go.
  cameron_cam1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: In the middle of somewhere
I know that this may not belong on this thread- but what about keeping the S sets in service for the night-time runs? They could be the ones that take all the graffiti while saving the 'flash' T sets. This is a perfect set up- however some night commuters won't like it as there is no air-conditioning.
  Paxton Beginner

I know that this may not belong on this thread- but what about keeping the S sets in service for the night-time runs? They could be the ones that take all the graffiti while saving the 'flash' T sets. This is a perfect set up- however some night commuters won't like it as there is no air-conditioning.
"cameron_cam1"


Hi Guys.  Long time lurker - first time poster.

I agree Cam.  I think it is foolish that in a city the size of Sydney, that we don't have a train system that is 24 hours, especially from Thursday to Sunday.  I live in the Shire, and would use the City more on the weekend if I knew that I could get home, especially after a couple of drinks.  What is the harm in running two trains an hour (both up and down) on the major lines, out of town, from 1 am to 5 am?  It's only 10 trains, leaving both Cronulla and Bondi (on the Illawarra line). 

The S Sets would be a perfect candidate for this, as they can get absolutely trashed, graffitied, etc, and then hosed out, and parked somewhere until Thursday night again.

As a Uni of Sydney student, and a frequent train traveller, I'll be sad to see the S Sets leave the line.  In my youth, I loved the Tangara - it was modern and had air-conditioning.  That's about all I can find that it has going for it now.  The S Sets ride far better, the seats are more comfortable, and there is nothing like fresh air.  Sure, they're not much fun in Summer, but when the weather is cooler, they are a far better train in my opinion.  Not to mention the reversible seats...
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
How many rail systems run 24 hours a day anyway? New York doesn't count because the city never sleeps.
  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
I know that this may not belong on this thread- but what about keeping the S sets in service for the night-time runs? They could be the ones that take all the graffiti while saving the 'flash' T sets. This is a perfect set up- however some night commuters won't like it as there is no air-conditioning.
"cameron_cam1"


Hi Guys. Long time lurker - first time poster.

I agree Cam. I think it is foolish that in a city the size of Sydney, that we don't have a train system that is 24 hours, especially from Thursday to Sunday. I live in the Shire, and would use the City more on the weekend if I knew that I could get home, especially after a couple of drinks. What is the harm in running two trains an hour (both up and down) on the major lines, out of town, from 1 am to 5 am? It's only 10 trains, leaving both Cronulla and Bondi (on the Illawarra line).

The S Sets would be a perfect candidate for this, as they can get absolutely trashed, graffitied, etc, and then hosed out, and parked somewhere until Thursday night again.

As a Uni of Sydney student, and a frequent train traveller, I'll be sad to see the S Sets leave the line. In my youth, I loved the Tangara - it was modern and had air-conditioning. That's about all I can find that it has going for it now. The S Sets ride far better, the seats are more comfortable, and there is nothing like fresh air. Sure, they're not much fun in Summer, but when the weather is cooler, they are a far better train in my opinion. Not to mention the reversible seats...
"Paxton"


Well, your preferences are going to be disappointed when the Illawarra line becomes a Tangara only line.

The idea of scrapping S-Sets is NOT just about winning votes, it is also about  simplifying the fleet operations and management.  Anyone can see they're aging noticeably and with that comes the expectation of safety and reliability which those sets cannot provide.  Their reliability is fairly good provided they are maintained well, but from a safety perspective, they allow passengers the ability to climb out of the train, and they have no ability for passengers to easily access crew members when multiple carriages away - ie via an Emergency Intercom.  Keep in mind that S-Sets are also more maintenance intensive than newer trains.  This will make them difficult to maintain, as they won't be any maintenance centres that will maintain them.  

For your hopes/desires of 24 hour services, you need to lobby and pester both Railcorp, the ministeress, and your local member, whilst at it, try and get your friends, family and fellow students to lobby them all too.  It's vey much the noisy wheel that gets the oil.  It's feasible to have 24 hour services, it just requires the political will to do it.



  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

S16 delivered to MainTrain today for removal of 'good bogies' and fitting of old bogies that are due overhaul which wont be overhauled. S16 will then be worked under restrictions to Enfield next week once it is finished. Bogies are required for use under other cars. Suspect S16 is due for CCO (Component Change Out) and it has good bogies with plenty of service life left, with S sets not being included in the current CCO program at MainTrain this saves money in using bogies which are not due for service/overhaul under cars which require bogie replacement.
  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

Any pictures of the scrapping in process? Just curious...
"belfordrocks"


None seem to have left Enfield yet. As of last Friday they still didn't seem to have moved.

Also for those that collect numbers, the earliest I could see was C3809. If anyone wants numbers I can take a camera tomorrow & get those that are visible from the road.

Cheers,


Richard
"ivahri"


C3877 was another early withdrawal; around 30 years or so ago.
"electrax"


Also add 3905 & 4047 to that list. Burnt out at Mortdale many years ago. Brought to MainTrain about 2000 ish, cut up the same day as HGM205 (Indian Pacific power van off the Glenbrook Disaster) some time in 2000/2001. Investigation into repairing both cars went as far as metalurgical testing of the stainless and structure, was found to much heat had been generated and the bodies were shot, 4047 was the better of the two cars, still had most of its cab area. All roof equipment, air brake components and bogies/compressor were stripped prior to scrapping.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
S45 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx
"yellowdoorssyd"


S45: C3033, T4018, T4938, C3021


After the disbanding of the R sets, these cars/trailers remain unallocated:


Plus these power cars:



3021
3024
3750
3928
3975
3986


"yellowdoorssyd"


C3021 is part of S45, as per above.
C3024 is part of S63 (replacing C3757 on your list).
C3986 is part of S84 (replacing C3860 on your list).

My apologies for my lack of knowledge of C3750, C3928 and C3975 at this time.


These first series S cars are unlikely to operate as they have been displaced in the reformations:




3813


3814


3823


3829


3830


3867


3874



"yellowdoorssyd"

I last spotted C3814 as part of S68. The consist I have from maybe six months ago is:

C3859*, T4025, T4710, C3814.

* I’m not 100% on C3859, one or two of the numbers may be incorrect.

Though I guess this means these four cars have been replaced with another four-car set to form a new S68?


Hope this all helps Smile
  yellowdoorssyd Chief Train Controller

[quote/]
I last spotted C3814 as part of S68. The consist I have from maybe six months ago is:

C3859*, T4025, T4710, C3814.

* I'm not 100% on C3859, one or two of the numbers may be incorrect.

Though I guess this means these four cars have been replaced with another four-car set to form a new S68?


Hope this all helps Smile
[/quote]

The new S68 is the former S57 -








3753
4712
4132
3007


Thanks for your contributions.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I last spotted C3814 as part of S68. The consist I have from maybe six months ago is:

C3859*, T4025, T4710, C3814.

* I'm not 100% on C3859, one or two of the numbers may be incorrect.

Though I guess this means these four cars have been replaced with another four-car set to form a new S68?
"Aurora8"


The new S68 is the former S57 -








3753
4712
4132
3007


"yellowdoorssyd"

Ah, thanks for that. Smile
  NR1984 Beginner

if any one is intrested i have a video of the S set grave yard the quality isnt that crash hot done with an iphone never the less


  NR1984 Beginner

An earlier post suggested that 3809 was in the queue for scrapping. It is currently in service as part of S98 [seen today 19th Sept].

As a matter of record before the scrapping starts and after the disbanding of the R sets [Sector 2], I have collated the consists of the S sets as they stand.

I don't believe that the Mortdale sets have altered:

S1 3912 4078 4715 3932

S3 3066 4126 4077 3079

S4 3937 4043 4128 3926

S5 3955 4050 4925 3957

S6 3979 4075 4979 3948

S7 3071 4138 4031 3041

S8 3074 4974 4945 3982

S9 3900 4971 4163 3910

S11 3973 4709 4708 3927

S12 3850 4029 4923 3837

S13 3754 4148 4070 3036

S14 3032 4926 4069 3956

S16 3944 4930 4139 3965

S18 3925 4076 4922 3892

S19 3046 4152 4110 3053

S20 3977 4146 4984 3950

S21 3756 4022 4981 3760

S22 3069 4144 4081 3952

S24 3016 4123 4062 3891

S25 3044 4721 4112 3063

S28 3976 4101 4162 3748

S29 3942 4084 4045 3761


Plus spares : 3013, 3050, 4943.

Flemington has added sets, now stretching from S38 to S100:
S38-xxxx -xxxx - xxxx -xxxx

S39 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx

S40-3027-4955-4944-3062

S41-3920-4033-4053-3872

S42-3751-4010-4005-3763

S43 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx

S44-3966-4034-4008-3917

S45 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx

S46-3908-4019-4975-3883

S47-3028-4704-4931-3890

S48-3902-4717-4039-3858

S49-3010-4038-4985-3808

S50-3918-4972-4960-3969

S51-3765-4035-4107-3899

S52-3936-4946-4940-3051

S53-3857-4133-4048-3888

S54-3040-4165-4978-3045

S55-3056-4941-4013-3005

S56-3862-4961-4968-3911

S57-3011-4118-4042-3018

S58-3759-4703-4702-3072

S59-3019-4156-4713-3897

S60-3963-4011-4121-3904

S61-3931-4037-4030-3930

S62-3002-4090-4169-3037

S63-3853-4976-4041-3757

S64-3935-4111-4166-3026

S65-3914-4939-4924-3921

S66-3980-4109-4102-3981

S67-3868-4963-4083-3863

S68-3753-4712-4132-3007

S69-3043-4088-4973-3029

S70-3875-4137-4104-3030

S71-3978-4155-4065-3831

S72-3810-4987-4130-3064

S73-3047-4055-4103-3061

S74-3741-4705-4124-3076

S75-3945-4094-4023-3968

S76-3747-4001-4009-3035

S77-3881-4929-4707-3884

S78-3025-4970-4170-3038

S79-3885-4060-4012-3861

S80-3048-4980-4140-3843

S81-3812-4706-4718-3817

S82-3954-4093-4157-3068

S83-3080-4149-4007-3923

S84-3860-4921-4015-3865

S85-3869-4948-4964-3848

S86-3856-4021-4027-3924

S87-3003-4958-4159-3743

S88-3014-4965-4153-3836

S89-3744-4953-4952-3959

S90-3889-4957-4051-3898

S91-3878-4134-4135-3832

S92-3806-4982-4967-3906

S93-3054-4151-4122-3873

S94-3879-4947-4026-3938

S95-3939-4711-4932-3974

S96-3008-4145-4168-3967

S97-3934-4701-4057-3949

S98-3809-4977-4936-3052

S99-3913-4106-4950-3922

S100-3929-4115-4113-3984



I saw this set without a target plate -

3752 - 4129 - 4114 - 3049.

and suspect it to be one of S38/S39/S43/S45.

At Hornsby, at least one set was added : S151 [formerly S68] and one is unknown - S150:

S111-3015-4067-4120-3017

S112-3807-4059-4158-3020

S113-3940-4028-4056-3916

S115-3031-4064-4108-3022

S116-3039-4061-4935-3818

S118-3742-4116-4722-3746

S119-3919-4951-4937-3855

S120-3953-4024-4934-3882

S122-3009-4160-4942-3903

S123-3915-4002-4049-3971

S124-3023-4716-4006-3901

S125-3077-4147-4720-3876

S127-3001-4016-4167-3764

S129-3894-4723-4719-3958

S130-3745-4136-4956-3012

S131-3943-4063-4150-3893

S132-3947-4983-4040-3845

S133-3970-4004-4054-3059

S134-3060-4154-4142-3065

S135-3871-4003-4046-3972

S136-3847-4014-4052-3004

S137-3964-4969-4044-3067

S138-3006-4068-4073-3034

S139-3042-4105-4949-3985

S140-3058-4143-4141-3057

S141-3075-4119-4986-3961

S142-3073-4959-4095-3946

S143-3951-4161-4714-3880

S144-3887-4927-4933-3811

S145-3941-4032-4117-3758

S146-3805-4066-4164-3828

S148-3851-4962-4036-3960

S149-3078-4072-4966-3826

S150 -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx -xxxx

S151-3933-4125-4954-3983


After the disbanding of the R sets, these cars/trailers remain unallocated:


Plus these power cars:



3021
3024
3750
3928
3975
3986



To create 3 x S sets in the S38-S45 range plus S151 requires 8 power cars and 8 trailers - there are only 7 trailers which I can find as unallocated, apart from T4943 at Mortdale.

If anyone can provide the consists of S38 / S39 / S43 & S45, plus confirm if S150 exists, the status of the S car fleets would be complete.

The extra 6 unallocated power cars could initially be placed into sets which might lose a 38xx power car for early scrapping.

These first series S cars are unlikely to operate as they have been displaced in the reformations:




3813


3814


3823


3829


3830


3867


3874




3821 and 3842 were noted as withdrawn in an earlier post.

Some may find this useless info and details, however, it is starting point for the scrapping of the S set cars.
"yellowdoorssyd"


you may want to edit the list i have been told there is an S2 running around
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
An earlier post suggested that 3809 was in the queue for scrapping. It is currently in service as part of S98 [seen today 19th Sept].

As a matter of record before the scrapping starts and after the disbanding of the R sets [Sector 2], I have collated the consists of the S sets as they stand.

I don't believe that the Mortdale sets have altered:

S1 3912 4078 4715 3932

S3 3066 4126 4077 3079

*snip*

"yellowdoorssyd"


you may want to edit the list i have been told there is an S2 running around
"NR1984"


You know, you didn't have to quote the ENTIRE post, just the top bit like I have done here.
  TrainGeek Station Master

Location: Dundas
R19, being the last R set was disbanded last week. C3821 and C3842 were withdrawn. Their location now is unknown.
"s3_gunzel"


Thats like murder..

Ill tell you what, although they may be hot, sticky and outdated, they DID serve sydney and illawarra + richmond and the blue mtns VERY well, it will be sad to see them go =(
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The Waratah trains did not get an official maiden run event, I wonder if there will be a official farewell for the last S-Set journey.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
The Waratah trains did not get an official maiden run event, I wonder if there will be a official farewell for the last S-Set journey.
"boxythingy"


Boxythingy, Yes, There was. Explain the media coverage.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

The Waratah trains did not get an official maiden run event,
"boxythingy"


 

Except for all media hype and announcements...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s737AVVnLBM

  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Was hardly official, no mention of the first service on their own website. No ribbon cutting, information/promotional items handed out and not even the transport minister was there. I would not have been there if it was not for this forum.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Was hardly official, no mention of the first service on their own website. Only found out through this website.
"boxythingy"


 

Hardly officially, only the CEO of RailCorp on all the news outlets (Print, radio and TV) going on about how great this new train would be.

This was posted on the RailCorp website and also in Cityrail Xpress (available from cityrail.info), but no. Why not let your bile and bitter resentment for anything CityRail allow you to paint a detailed web of lies, utter rubbish and contempt on these pages.

 

Do some research, or do the rest of us a favour and stop posting rubbish. Your childish need for attention by trolling these boards has done nothing but paint you as a fool and someone whose opinion rates about as high as that of the local slack jawed hillbilly from the Southern States of the US.

EDIT: To add to your edited statement. No Ribbon cutting, no information? Well for staters, despite a Government press release, advertising on the website newsletter and public comment from the Transport Minister, there was a lot of publicity. 

 

So, now all new projects should get a ribbon cutting? Everytime a new bus order or fire truck order is complete as well? Why stop there, how about everytime the ladies in the public schools open a new packet of pens? Or when nurses get to open that new box of bandages.

 

Get your head in the real world. Once again, you have proven my point. You exist on these boards only to cause trouble and belittle CityRail at every turn. Hell, they even get a new train into service and still doesn't cut the cheese with you because " there was no ribbon cutting"

FFS.

Mad
 

EDIT 2

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scotty2381/8011629920/

  mtrain Train Controller

No ribbon cutting, information/promotional items handed out and not even the transport minister was there.
"boxythingy"


It was a no-brainer that the transport minister was not going to be in attendance. It was a project that they had bagged for some time.  Notwithstanding, it doesn't mean that the trip wasn't officially announced in advance, hence the media's preparation and other key stakeholders.

I would not have been there if it was not for this forum.
"boxythingy"


Good thing you were able to get some time off from work to attend it, huh.



  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
It may be official now, but it was clearly manipulated from being a non-event to be an official one. There was no prior notification to the public (about the event), but only to their own staff and the selected people (the media in this case). All the information about the actual event just suddenly appeared after the event had occurred. I doubt the same thing happened with the OSCAR and Millennium trains, as they were heavily promoted before the actual official event.

the local slack jawed hillbilly from the Southern States of the US.

Stereotyping is childish behavior. You may or not be aware that I have in fact made significant contributions to this forum which have rarely attracted any comment, besides the occasional thank you.

So, now all new projects should get a ribbon cutting? Everytime a new bus order or fire truck order is complete as well? Why stop there, how about everytime the ladies in the public schools open a new packet of pens? Or when nurses get to open that new box of bandages.

How does a new train, first in passenger service, among the biggest order of trains (as they have stated on their website) of trains ever undertaken in Australia not deserve a proper ceremony introducing them to the public? Before you know it, they will have replaced all the outdated trains still in operation, and will make up the majority of the suburban fleet.
Your pen comparison would be more akin to informing the media to report on every single A-Set introduced.

I do not understand why every valid, but critical post I make automatically equates to extremist and unprovoked attack responses directed at me, boxythingy.

Now back to the original intention of my original post:
I wonder if there will be a official farewell for the last S-Set journey
  TrainGeek Station Master

Location: Dundas
See the problem here is they are probably going to shut down the Carlingford line as well because the silver sets have been the only ones who can handle the gradients and fit on the platform! they wont go find another train to replace them on this line the'll just shut the whole line down, which isnt good for us! (The people of the Carlingford line) it would just be more easy for THEM.

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