S-set Scrapping has begun

 
  Tsubame800 Chief Commissioner


See the problem here is they are probably going to shut down the Carlingford line as well because the silver sets have been the only ones who can handle the gradients and fit on the platform! they wont go find another train to replace them on this line the'll just shut the whole line down, which isnt good for us! (The people of the Carlingford line) it would just be more easy for THEM.

"TrainGeek"


Are you sure on that? 



http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11341658-s15.htm
information on the Carlingford line with removed pictures of M sets on the line


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  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
As firstly a Waterfall guard and now a Wollongong guard, I've never had occasion to work a train on the Carlo branch.

What sets do operate on that line right now?
  victorwilson Junior Train Controller

Location: Temporarily stuck in the ACT
the silver sets have been the only ones who can handle the gradients
"TrainGeek"


Hmmm.... an 8-car A set on the Carlingford line?




What sets do operate on that line right now?
"wurx"


At the moment, it's usually run by an S set, occasionally an L set or a C set.

  cameron_cam1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: In the middle of somewhere
I thought it was only an L set?
By the way, about the S sets, it may seem a stupid question but can't we just add air conditioning and increase their life?
I know it's not as simple as this but is it possible?

Cameron
  vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
As firstly a Waterfall guard and now a Wollongong guard, I've never had occasion to work a train on the Carlo branch.

What sets do operate on that line right now?
"wurx"


4S, and on occasion, 4C
  TrainGeek Station Master

Location: Dundas

See the problem here is they are probably going to shut down the Carlingford line as well because the silver sets have been the only ones who can handle the gradients and fit on the platform! they wont go find another train to replace them on this line the'll just shut the whole line down, which isnt good for us! (The people of the Carlingford line) it would just be more easy for THEM.

"TrainGeek"


Are you sure on that?



http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11341658-s15.htm
information on the Carlingford line with removed pictures of M sets on the line

"Tsubame800"



Actually, Im VERY sure, just because there have been picture dosent mean they will replace them... tangaras were first, they fit on the platform but they couldnt handle the gradient

Oscars; they are too high for the platform and (probably couldnt handle the gradient

Mileniums; too high again and cant handle the gradient

Im not sure on waratahs but it would be AWESOME if they were on the line
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I thought it was only an L set?
By the way, about the S sets, it may seem a stupid question but can't we just add air conditioning and increase their life?
I know it's not as simple as this but is it possible?

Cameron
"cameron_cam1"


The short answer is no, else it would have been done a long time ago.
  Johnny_Walton Railcorp Crash Test Dummy No.1

Location: Flemington Maintenance Centre

See the problem here is they are probably going to shut down the Carlingford line as well because the silver sets have been the only ones who can handle the gradients and fit on the platform! they wont go find another train to replace them on this line the'll just shut the whole line down, which isnt good for us! (The people of the Carlingford line) it would just be more easy for THEM.

"TrainGeek"


Are you sure on that?



http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11341658-s15.htm
information on the Carlingford line with removed pictures of M sets on the line

"Tsubame800"



Actually, Im VERY sure, just because there have been picture dosent mean they will replace them... tangaras were first, they fit on the platform but they couldnt handle the gradient

Oscars; they are too high for the platform and (probably couldnt handle the gradient

Mileniums; too high again and cant handle the gradient

Im not sure on waratahs but it would be AWESOME if they were on the line
"TrainGeek"


Sorry, but the above is RUBBISH!
Any 4-car rollingstock can and has been used on the Carlingford line,
Including Steam hauled sets, Railmotors and all types of electric rollingstock!
This also includes mixed steam hauled goods trains!

Now to say modern rollingstock like Tangara and Oscar cant handle this line is, well....... 

Jono



  TrainGeek Station Master

Location: Dundas



Sorry, but the above is RUBBISH!
Any 4-car rollingstock can and has been used on the Carlingford line,
Including Steam hauled sets, Railmotors and all types of electric rollingstock!
This also includes mixed steam hauled goods trains!

Now to say modern rollingstock like Tangara and Oscar cant handle this line is, well.......

Jono


"Johnny_Walton"


Look, They may be ON the line BUT it wont mean that they run properly on it! The Silver sets have been the only ones that can handle the lines gradient and are the perfect height and size of the platforms. Have you ever looked at any other train apart from the silver sets on ANY of the carlo line platforms! (excluding clyde) It Simply is too TALL for the platform. please take a look if you see something other than a silver set on it, because SILVER SETS and only SILVER SETS can perform to their peak on that line! they handle it better than any other train! PLEASE take a look at the trains next time and you can see the performance difference 
Smile

Cheers
Zac
  victorwilson Junior Train Controller

Location: Temporarily stuck in the ACT
Look, They may be ON the line BUT it wont mean that they run properly on it!
"TrainGeek"

Have you ever looked at any other train apart from the silver sets on ANY of the carlo line platforms! (excluding clyde) It Simply is too TALL for the platform.
"TrainGeek"


Does the "perfect door height" impact on "proper running" of certain sets on the line?
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock


Sorry, but the above is RUBBISH!
Any 4-car rollingstock can and has been used on the Carlingford line,
Including Steam hauled sets, Railmotors and all types of electric rollingstock!
This also includes mixed steam hauled goods trains!

Now to say modern rollingstock like Tangara and Oscar cant handle this line is, well.......

Jono


"Johnny_Walton"


Look, They may be ON the line BUT it wont mean that they run properly on it! The Silver sets have been the only ones that can handle the lines gradient and are the perfect height and size of the platforms. Have you ever looked at any other train apart from the silver sets on ANY of the carlo line platforms! (excluding clyde) It Simply is too TALL for the platform. please take a look if you see something other than a silver set on it, because SILVER SETS and only SILVER SETS can perform to their peak on that line! they handle it better than any other train! PLEASE take a look at the trains next time and you can see the performance difference
Smile

Cheers
Zac
"TrainGeek"

I'm sorry TrainGeek, but Jono has more enough experience with CityRail rollingstock to know what's going on.

I dare say the S sets seem faster, as the open windows provide different sensory feedback to anything else, but if you look at the actual times they will be about the same.

Re the height difference, there are major stations with the same issue, but it doesn't stop any type of rolling stock being used.
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock
Back on topic, here's a couple of pics from yesterday of the sets at Enfield awaiting their fate ...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/biqua/8011548740/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/biqua/8011545504/



  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba


Sorry, but the above is RUBBISH!
Any 4-car rollingstock can and has been used on the Carlingford line,
Including Steam hauled sets, Railmotors and all types of electric rollingstock!
This also includes mixed steam hauled goods trains!

Now to say modern rollingstock like Tangara and Oscar cant handle this line is, well.......

Jono


"Johnny_Walton"


Look, They may be ON the line BUT it wont mean that they run properly on it! The Silver sets have been the only ones that can handle the lines gradient and are the perfect height and size of the platforms. Have you ever looked at any other train apart from the silver sets on ANY of the carlo line platforms! (excluding clyde) It Simply is too TALL for the platform. please take a look if you see something other than a silver set on it, because SILVER SETS and only SILVER SETS can perform to their peak on that line! they handle it better than any other train! PLEASE take a look at the trains next time and you can see the performance difference
Smile

Cheers
Zac
"TrainGeek"


You do not have a clue. Go away, and come back when you know what you are talking about.

Dave
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
After the S Sets are no more, I see no reason why they couldn't just use a C Set as they occasionally do now or even a K Set if there were reservations about the more modern rollingstock (i.e. Tangaras, M or H Sets) doing regular Carlo shuttle services. They actually had an M Set regularly doing the shuttle one Summer a few years ago. May have been '08.
  Hendikins Junior Train Controller

Location: I'm on ur trainz, announcin' ur stationz!
Actually, Im VERY sure, just because there have been picture dosent mean they will replace them... tangaras were first, they fit on the platform but they couldnt handle the gradient

Oscars; they are too high for the platform and (probably couldnt handle the gradient

Mileniums; too high again and cant handle the gradient

Im not sure on waratahs but it would be AWESOME if they were on the line
"TrainGeek"


Just to reinforce what has already been said: BS to all of the above.

The only restrictions on the Carlingford Line are as follows:
* Due to short platforms the maximum length for stopping services is 4 cars (excludes racecourse platform at Rosehill)
* Waratahs are not permitted between Clyde and Carlingford (Signal and Electrical restrictions).

That's it. The grades only get as steep as 1 in 37, which is no big deal for any of the suburban stock.
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures

See the problem here is they are probably going to shut down the Carlingford line as well because the silver sets have been the only ones who can handle the gradients and fit on the platform! they wont go find another train to replace them on this line the'll just shut the whole line down, which isnt good for us! (The people of the Carlingford line) it would just be more easy for THEM.

"TrainGeek"


Are you sure on that?



http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11341658-s15.htm
information on the Carlingford line with removed pictures of M sets on the line

"Tsubame800"



Actually, Im VERY sure, just because there have been picture dosent mean they will replace them... tangaras were first, they fit on the platform but they couldnt handle the gradient

Oscars; they are too high for the platform and (probably couldnt handle the gradient

Mileniums; too high again and cant handle the gradient

Im not sure on waratahs but it would be AWESOME if they were on the line
"TrainGeek"


TrainGeek,

It's obvious that you have no idea about what rollingstock can run on the Carlingford Line. All current items of Cityrail rollingstock can run up there. I doubt that the Waratah's would be restricted due to signalling & electrical because the section beyond signal PR 1017 is protected by an axlecounter & the line is suitable & can handle the power requirements of the now heritage 46 & 86 class electrics in multiples of 4. Refer to the TOC manual. Also the XPT's & Explorer's can run up there. I'm sure that you were drunk or high when you quoted that they Oscars & Milleniums were too high for the platforms on the line. I have been on Tangara's all the way to Carlingford both in the wet & dry & they, like all other items of Cityrail electric rollingstock handle the 1 in 37 gradients with ease.

TLGM
  TrainGeek Station Master

Location: Dundas
Ok,

well look i see your point, i didn't really want to get in an argument as i am flying off to Los Angeles today, but fair enough, i would say the CAN operate the line its just some Height restrictions and width restrictions on the M Set... i'm not one of those people that can't admit their wrong so, yeah i might have had it a bit mixed up, BUT im certainly NOT a: Drug addict, Alcoholic. sure i go out for a couple of drinks every now and then but certainly NO drugs. (well illegal ones anyway, otherwise i cant have medicine)  Laughing

They will operate, but not like the silver sets ever did...   Sad

Cheers
Zac
  C3600 Train Controller

Location: Coniston
Wherever an S set fits all trains built after it will fit!!
S set is widest at 3077mm, they are all similar height around 4300-4400mm with Tangara and S Sets the highest.
S sets are the most gutless out of the fleet so and still make it up places like ECRL and up Como and Loftus Banks!!
Tangara and Millenium have much more get up and go so Carlo is not a prob.

Back to S set scrapping please.
  cameron_cam1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: In the middle of somewhere
R19, being the last R set was disbanded last week. C3821 and C3842 were withdrawn. Their location now is unknown.
"s3_gunzel"


Thats like murder..

Ill tell you what, although they may be hot, sticky and outdated, they DID serve sydney and illawarra + richmond and the blue mtns VERY well, it will be sad to see them go =(
"TrainGeek"
I agree, they were and still are a major part of Sydney's rail system-maybe some should be saved for a museum as one day they will be considered vintage Exclamation

Cameron
  cameron_cam1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: In the middle of somewhere
I thought it was only an L set?
By the way, about the S sets, it may seem a stupid question but can't we just add air conditioning and increase their life?
I know it's not as simple as this but is it possible?

Cameron
"cameron_cam1"


The short answer is no, else it would have been done a long time ago.
"Watson374"
Thanks for that Smile
Cameron
  Johnny_Walton Railcorp Crash Test Dummy No.1

Location: Flemington Maintenance Centre
Ok,

well look i see your point, i didn't really want to get in an argument as i am flying off to Los Angeles today, but fair enough, i would say the CAN operate the line its just some Height restrictions and width restrictions on the M Set... i'm not one of those people that can't admit their wrong so, yeah i might have had it a bit mixed up, BUT im certainly NOT a: Drug addict, Alcoholic. sure i go out for a couple of drinks every now and then but certainly NO drugs. (well illegal ones anyway, otherwise i cant have medicine) Laughing

They will operate, but not like the silver sets ever did... Sad

Cheers
Zac
"TrainGeek"


Ok Zac,
Enjoy your trip OS come back and tell all about what you see in USA train services,
Obviously you have a passion for our dear old S-sets and good on you!  ')">Clap
Thats what this site is all about. Talking about your transport passions.
BUT think before you make sweeping comments.
Old buggers like me have been around rail for 35+ years (in my case)
Ask us if you want to know something about train and specifications.
You will find you might get answers to your questions and not get shot down and burned.
Anyway, lets keep talking without flaming.

Jono.

BTW my above thoughts are directed to numerous other RailPagers talking CRAP! NO names mentioned.  ')">Anger  ')">Bang Head




  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Sorry sir Johnny_Walton
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
This likely isn't the correct thread for it, but 3801ltd have acquired C3814. A TOC waiver has been issued for the movement of this car from FMC to Eveleigh on either Thursday or Friday.
  Tsubame800 Chief Commissioner

Two Questions. Johnny. 
In regards to the Scrapping I think i spotted a Goninan car in there (or should i be calling it a UGL car since that is their new "Company" name) is there any reasoning behind these cars being scrapped, I would have thought that they would have tried to remove all the Comeng Cars first?

2nd : Raichaise. do you know if this is this to go with the "rattler" they are currently using as a office?? or are we seeing 01'Ltd starting a Electric Heritage fleet?
  Last Train to Clarksville Station Staff

Have their been any moves to replace S sets on the Illawarra line? H sets or additional T sets?

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