Penrice stone train

 
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
i was wondering if the penrice stone train still operates from osborne to penrice as i heard the quarrie was closing down and what is the condition of the track past gawler central and is their any signals beyond gawler central. photos would be great please Very Happy of signals, train in barossa valley and track  Laughing

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  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
Heath.....the Penrice stone train is very much alive and well and GWA has a contract with PSP to haul their train for years to come. If the company itself fell over that is a completely different matter.  The track is in quite good condition, particulalry as it carries this daily 2,000t stone train every day.  There are no signals on the line and no loops between Gawler and Nuriootpa.....

For these sorts of questions/understanding of SA rail activity may I suggest you get the Catch Point magazine which covers whats happening in SA.  it is produced bi-monthly by the National Railway Museum.....many answers will be in those magazines.

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  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Heath.....the Penrice stone train is very much alive and well and GWA has a contract with PSP to haul their train for years to come. If the company itself fell over that is a completely different matter. The track is in quite good condition, particulalry as it carries this daily 2,000t stone train every day. There are no signals on the line and no loops between Gawler and Nuriootpa.....

For these sorts of questions/understanding of SA rail activity may I suggest you get the Catch Point magazine which covers whats happening in SA. it is produced bi-monthly by the National Railway Museum.....many answers will be in those magazines.

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"Top Cat"

cheers, thanks i will head to the railway museam next weekend and pick up a copy  Very Happy
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Heath.....the Penrice stone train is very much alive and well and GWA has a contract with PSP to haul their train for years to come. If the company itself fell over that is a completely different matter. The track is in quite good condition, particulalry as it carries this daily 2,000t stone train every day. There are no signals on the line and no loops between Gawler and Nuriootpa.....

For these sorts of questions/understanding of SA rail activity may I suggest you get the Catch Point magazine which covers whats happening in SA. it is produced bi-monthly by the National Railway Museum.....many answers will be in those magazines.

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"Top Cat"
cheers thankyou i will pick up a copy this weekend at the NRM
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
If you join up you get it home delivered by post every time it comes out. Might be worth it as well. With joining you also get 10% off in the bookshop on new books etc, plus a coupon to ride the train at Semaphore and also free admittance to the NRM whenever they are open. Might be the best option for you and you need never miss a copy then. You have to renew it each year though.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
The NRM membership is certainly worth it indeed, I renewed mine not long ago.

Back on topic, I wonder when the supply of limetone at the Penrice quarry  will eventually run out? And is there any chance of new locos ever hauling the train if it's still running in say, 20 years from now? By then the 830's will be 70 years old, with 704 turning 60.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Back on topic, I wonder when the supply of limetone at the Penrice quarry  will eventually run out? And is there any chance of new locos ever hauling the train if it's still running in say, 20 years from now? By then the 830's will be 70 years old, with 704 turning 60.
"greasyrhys"


Last I heard they were talking 25 years plus supply at the current mine, and there are other deposits in the area as well.

It's more likely that the price and the demand for Soda Ash will determine the life of both the stone train and the Osbourne production plant.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
I'll be filming the empty Stonie a few times tomorrow, at Elizabeth, Concordia & Tanunda. Maybe film the loaded one later on.

Just wondering, do GWA have a heat policy; for example, would the Stonie depart Dry Creek & the Penrice Quarry earlier than normal?
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Managed to film the empty Stonie @ at the locations mentioned, passed Elizabeth at around 5:15am, then filmed it at Concordia around 6am, then drove to Tanunda station where it passed at about 6:40am.

Anyone notice the sound of 844's horn? Sounds like a Poxbox horn!
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Once again today the Stonie is hauled by the 'dynamic trio' of 830's, seems 704 is very unreliable given it returned just yesterday.

Anyone know what's wrong with 704 at this stage?
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
It's interesting to hear that 704 has the Nathan P5 horn.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I was told 704 has the problem of you fix one thing and something else decides to give up the ghost. It must be an ongoing battle to it it going by the sounds of it. Might be time to work over another 700 class unit and do a swap of them from the sound of this. Or get a more reliable larger power unit to run on BG.


  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
An ALF would be good! Although they've never run on BG. Seems the BL class are the only type of loco that's more powerful than a 700, that has hauled the Stonie.

Surely a change is due?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
An ALF would be good! Although they've never run on BG. Seems the BL class are the only type of loco that's more powerful than a 700, that has hauled the Stonie. Surely a change is due?
"greasyrhys"


Well GWA don't own any BL's, so you have the choice of 830's, GM's or 700's (each has run on BG in the valley!)
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
An ALF would be good! Although they've never run on BG. Seems the BL class are the only type of loco that's more powerful than a 700, that has hauled the Stonie. Surely a change is due?
"greasyrhys"


ALF's are single ended.   Would have enough power, but there is nowhere to turn it.   You would have to bring along an 830 just for the return trip.   
Why is a change due?   Just a 700 that works!
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse


ALF's are single ended.
"Donald"


Not to get out of subject but were the single ended ALF's better than the double ended pre-rebuild AL's?
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Short answer JT No!! How to stuff a good loco put an (underpowered) computer on it to drive all the controls, numerous rebuilds since they where MKO'd
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
An ALF would be good! Although they've never run on BG. Seems the BL class are the only type of loco that's more powerful than a 700, that has hauled the Stonie. Surely a change is due?
"greasyrhys"
Well GWA don't own any BL's, so you have the choice of 830's, GM's or 700's (each has run on BG in the valley!)
"Pressman"


I knew that, although I should've said: Surely a differnt type of loco should be used (or at least trialled) on the Stonie?

Would it be possible for an ALF to be 'broadinized' with BG bogies that were used on GM's 42-43 from 1992-95, or would a new set of bogies be required? Are the BG bogies that were used on the GM's still lying around somewhere?
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Last I heard the BG bogie frames under GM45 and GM47, so they still exist, think one of other 700's swapping for 704 far more likely than GM's returning to BG, more likely is more frequent 3 x 830 operations 830/700 or 3 x 830 still uses way less fuel than 2 x GMfuel burn for an 830 Dry Creek, Penrice, Osborne, Dry Creek about 70 gallons each the 700 about 120.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
It would probably be easier to work over another 700 class loco and when it is ready simply do a bogie swap with 704. Then either fix up 704 or use it for parts etc. The new 700 class on BG needs to be worked over a bit before it is put onto BG though, just so that it will start up when needed for a start. I have been told on several occasions by drivers when it was failed simply because it would not start at all. This could be the reason it is in and out of traffic all the time, it just keeps failing.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It would probably be easier to work over another 700 class loco and when it is ready simply do a bogie swap with 704. Then either fix up 704 or use it for parts etc. The new 700 class on BG needs to be worked over a bit before it is put onto BG though, just so that it will start up when needed for a start. I have been told on several occasions by drivers when it was failed simply because it would not start at all. This could be the reason it is in and out of traffic all the time, it just keeps failing.
"David Peters"


I would have thought long-term 2 larger more modern locos would do the job more cheaply than 3 smaller ones. But if you already own them there is no capital involved and after they do the daily run on Stonie, there is no other work so perhaps not. But as some stage I'm sure their age and fuel consumption isn't going to do them any favours with the bean counters who could find something made in some of our life times with more grunt, easier/cheaper access to parts and a lower fuel burn rate.
  Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Elizabeth,South Australia

The 830's and 700's were made in SOME of our lifetimes!

 

 

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  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Whether it's 830's or 700's it it doesn't make any difference, they do the job don't they. Who would be silly enough to rush out and by some modern loco's for an isolated broad gauge rail operation carting limestone that may have a short life expectancy, look at the share market price for Penrice. 
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Surely within 20 years GWA are bound to introduce a new loco for this service, maybe 'broadinize' a GWA or GWU (unlikely though). By 2032 the 830's will be 70 years old, with the 700's 60.
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
When the train reaches Adelaide, is the broad gauge line seperate or on dual track with standard gauge lines?

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