Penrice stone train

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

As a lot of people on here are having real trouble grappling with the concept, the following bears repeating.......

"........carting limestone that may have a short life expectancy, look at the share market price for Penrice."

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

When the train reaches Adelaide, is the broad gauge line seperate or on dual track with standard gauge lines?
"jt393"

It uses the broad gauge line mostly used by Gawler Central passenger trains as far as Dry Creek, and from there to Osborne it's dual gauge operated by ARTC through Wingfield, Gillman and over the Mary MacKillop Bridge. I believe that the tracks within the Penrice facility at Osborne are only broad gauge.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

As a lot of people on here are having real trouble grappling with the concept, the following bears repeating.......


"........carting limestone that may have a short life expectancy, look at the share market price for Penrice."

"bingley hall"


No, but unlike the mine and track, the rolling stock is portable. Agree the mine is probably is probably paying last months bills from this months receipts with minimal left over and $A places them at high risk of OS competition.

Overall the whole railing operating does not scream best practice with from what I read in RD mag on this service, there is a bit of stuffing about at the mine for the train, but with little use for rollingstock elsewhere, unless you can cut jobs, there is little need to have a minor improvements.

On the loco side the maths are simple.

Current loco costs are = Fuel + maintenance + little residule value left in the locos

"Newer" locos costs  = Fuel + maintenance + capital/lease
For the above, I would assume Fuel and maintenance will be lower (lets say 80% fuel, 50-75% MTCE (2 locos)), but with what is about 200-220km of operation per day, it won't be overly significant. Evening getting say a few spare locos from NR that are mothballed your fuel and MTCE costs will need to say over $100-200k a year as a min to break even.

  brianph Locomotive Driver

Location: Bethany

As a lot of people on here are having real trouble grappling with the concept, the following bears repeating.......

"........carting limestone that may have a short life expectancy, look at the share market price for Penrice."
"bingley hall"
May be a bit premature with your Penrice prognosis Bingley. Quote from Indaily yesterday (Dec. 4):

"EMBATTLED soda ash manufacturer Penrice has inked a deal with New Caledonian mining company Vale NC.

The exclusive supply contract will service Vale’s recently commissioned major nickel and cobalt operation in New Caledonia."

Brian

  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
704 is back (again!) with 841, what are the odds for triple 830's tomorrow?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner


As a lot of people on here are having real trouble grappling with the concept, the following bears repeating.......

"........carting limestone that may have a short life expectancy, look at the share market price for Penrice."
"bingley hall"
May be a bit premature with your Penrice prognosis Bingley. Quote from Indaily yesterday (Dec. 4):

"EMBATTLED soda ash manufacturer Penrice has inked a deal with New Caledonian mining company Vale NC.

The exclusive supply contract will service Vale's recently commissioned major nickel and cobalt operation in New Caledonia."

Brian

"brianph"
Brian, Without going into too much detail I do know Penrice have been seriously looking at ways to make soda ash from another industry's byproduct, of which there is plenty. I don't know the outcome but do know that they expended significant energy to evaluate the proposition. Its success would spell the end of Osborne. Pity, Osborne is a working museum.
Regards
Ian
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
I tried filming the Stonie at Womma today but it did not pass through between 11:30am-1:48pm, not sure if it was early or very late.

Talk about inconsistency!
  trainlover Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide.
I tried filming the Stonie at Womma today but it did not pass through between 11:30am-1:48pm, not sure if it was early or very late.Talk about inconsistency!
"greasyrhys"
I think i have the Answer to why you did not see the Stonie.
I went into Adelaide by train this afternoon and pasting Dry creek towards the Motive power centre on one road were 2 830s and on anther 704 and anther 830 and the Stonie wagons in the dry creek yard So all 3 830s and 704 need Repairs. So Stone train Cancelled today.
  Railnthusiast Chief Commissioner

Location: At the computer
The Stonie was cancelled Tuesday and Thursday for maintenance at Penrice apparently.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
That explains then, thanks.

Wonder if there will be a few days with 2 'Stonies' to make up for the days with no trains?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
That explains then, thanks. Wonder if there will be a few days with 2 'Stonies' to make up for the days with no trains?
"greasyrhys"

If the plant has had a shut down for maintenance, then they wouldn't have used the stone so wouldn't need to have a "make up" train or two.

But if the plant was operating at or near normal capacity then they will need to have a "make up" train
  brianph Locomotive Driver

Location: Bethany

As a lot of people on here are having real trouble grappling with the concept, the following bears repeating.......

"........carting limestone that may have a short life expectancy, look at the share market price for Penrice."
"bingley hall"
May be a bit premature with your Penrice prognosis Bingley. Quote from Indaily yesterday (Dec. 4):

"EMBATTLED soda ash manufacturer Penrice has inked a deal with New Caledonian mining company Vale NC.

The exclusive supply contract will service Vale's recently commissioned major nickel and cobalt operation in New Caledonia."

Brian

"brianph"
Brian, Without going into too much detail I do know Penrice have been seriously looking at ways to make soda ash from another industry's byproduct, of which there is plenty. I don't know the outcome but do know that they expended significant energy to evaluate the proposition. Its success would spell the end of Osborne. Pity, Osborne is a working museum.
Regards
Ian
"steam4ian"


Arh!  Now that's a different issue to a low share price (and an imminent Board spill).  
This one's a threat to the railway - but not to the company.
Brian
  brianph Locomotive Driver

Location: Bethany
The Stonie has just passed the Bethany crossing at about 2kph (instead of the usual 60kph line speed) - running about 60 minutes late.  
Plenty of black smoke from the 830 behind 704.  
Is it possible that the 830 has just pulled the whole load up that hill by itself?
It was travelling so slowly, I lost count of the number of wagons - but it looked about the normal 20 to 25 wagons.
Brian
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
If its 704 that's got problems, then surely GWA have to bite the bullet and replace it with 706 (700), or just use triple 830's.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Might be the "Heat" speed restriction being implemented or it might be the trcking "Jumper Cable" causing problem again, time will tell and it's nearly all down to the Soda Ash plant. (Well it was in my day)
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
843 must be with 704 today.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
The past two days (at least) have again featured triple 830's on this train, although today there were only 17 loaded hoppers, with 18 yesterday.

Rather low considering there were 25 loaded hoppers on Wednesday's Stonie.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

I chauffeured a mob of Pommy Alco nuts chasing it on Wednesday and Friday

704 sounded knackered both days, with the 830 doing most of the work

On Friday you could have walked quicker than the tail end (25 wagons) on the Bethany Crossing, we thought that it would stall

Does anyone know what the problem is with 704?

Has 704 been derated or still at 2000HP?
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Back to 24 loaded hoppers on today's Stonie.

Judging by jmt's post, seems like 704 desperately needs a lengthy overhaul. Just why don't they swap it with any of the other 700's? Not impossible!
  Clyde_AT26HC-2M Chief Train Controller

Back to 24 loaded hoppers on today's Stonie.

Judging by jmt's post, seems like 704 desperately needs a lengthy overhaul. Just why don't they swap it with any of the other 700's? Not impossible!
"greasyrhys"


You should go work for GWA and suggest that then.............
  jl404 Station Staff

I'm going to be in Adelaide in January and would appreciate any recommendations for catching the Stonie from the experts.  This is a family vacation so I'm trying to minimize the hours away.  I was thinking of chasing it early in the morning since the days will be long.  Does it operate 7 days a week?

Thanks,
Ted 
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
It is rostered to run 7 days a week. The empty usually passes Elizabeth between 5:15-5:45am, and reaches Tanunda around 7am, maybe a few minutes earlier.

Normally the loaded train to Osborne runs just after the Adelaide bound train leaves Gawler Central at 12:17pm.

Hope this helps
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Speaking of the Stonie, once again 704 is back leading the train, wonder when it will have to go back for more maintenance?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Speaking of the Stonie, once again 704 is back leading the train, wonder when it will have to go back for more maintenance?
"greasyrhys"


Today's maximum temperature of 39.3°C (Edinburgh) would have been a fair chance of causing its next trip to the shed. It's certainly been enough to cook a few of Light City's LNG-fuelled buses, but that's not a bad thing as those gutless buses hold up even cyclists on the hills and would be more suited to redeployment as artificial reefs, shelters for the homeless or portable barriers for construction sites.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Speaking of the Stonie, once again 704 is back leading the train, wonder when it will have to go back for more maintenance?
"greasyrhys"


Today's maximum temperature of 39.3C (Edinburgh) would have been a fair chance of causing its next trip to the shed. It's certainly been enough to cook a few of Light City's LNG-fuelled buses, but that's not a bad thing as those gutless buses hold up even cyclists on the hills and would be more suited to redeployment as artificial reefs, shelters for the homeless or portable barriers for construction sites.
"justapassenger"


Saw the stoney leaving Gawler and making the long trip towards Kudla station. Didn't seem that long or that noisy (was hard to tell 100% as I was in a railcar heading the otherway), 704 was leading. Seems something has failed in the heat, but could be the loader for all I know.

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