Penrice stone train

 
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Just passed the Dry Creek South yard, where Osborne shunter 831 has attached to the front of 704 on the way to Osborne.

Not sure if 704 has failed again.

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  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
Just passed the Dry Creek South yard, where Osborne shunter 831 has attached to the front of 704 on the way to Osborne.Not sure if 704 has failed again.
"greasyrhys"



704 has failed again... Triple 830s at the moment.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
We'll probably see triple 830's again tomorrow.

Also it would be wonderful if I could do work experience with GWA, as in ride with the crew. But David told me on Facebook that I won't be allowed to go on any rides with crew members of any rail company, given that ill-fated accident in the mid-90's.

Seems I'll never get a chance to ride on a train to the Barossa, stupid insurance c**p. Evil or Very Mad
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
Centrals supporter.....Rhys......if you want to experience being in the cab......get more involved at NRM.....actually drive the Redhens or steam engine Peronne on their special days..or in fact start your training to do it yourself in any case.  I understand those Port cats are very accommodating..... 8)
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
You're right TC. When I find some time I'll do some volunteering at the NRM.

Today's Stonie will be hauled by 704-844-841, the extra 830 must be just in case the former fails again!
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
The stonie just arrived at PSP hauled by 704, 844, 841 & 831 hauling 21 AHSF hoppers.

Matt
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
The empty Stonie left Osborne at 4:05pm. Locos were 841, 844, 704 & 843 with 21 empty hoppers. 831 was left at Osborne to be the shunter.
  Alco Safari Station Staff

Location: Little Old England
The Stonie has just passed the Bethany crossing at about 2kph (instead of the usual 60kph line speed) - running about 60 minutes late.
Plenty of black smoke from the 830 behind 704.
Is it possible that the 830 has just pulled the whole load up that hill by itself?
It was travelling so slowly, I lost count of the number of wagons - but it looked about the normal 20 to 25 wagons.
Brian
"brianph"


We chased the "Stonie" on the 5th & 7th of December and believe it or not actually witnessed the train trying to cross the level crossing at Bethany.  What a small world!  No noise or smoke was emanating from #704, but the little 830 (#843) was puffing for all it was worth!  The front of the train went across the crossing at a reasonable speed, but it just got slower and slower until the last few wagons were literally down to 0.5mph (or less).

A look up the line towards the locos showed #843 slipping - plumes of black smoke kept intermittently rising up.  The #704 appeared to be doing nothing.  The lack of progress made chasing the train really easy and we made a couple more photo stops.

We chased the train on 5th December (704 & 841), again, the 704 didn't seem to be making much effort and it took hours to get from Gawler to Port Adelaide, where we'd camped out without hats in the mid day sun.  Not good!

Here's #704 drifting along while #843 does all the work:-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_alco_safaris/8304652378/in/set-72157632331928832/

Cheers

Alco S



  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
The Stonie has just passed the Bethany crossing at about 2kph (instead of the usual 60kph line speed) - running about 60 minutes late.
Plenty of black smoke from the 830 behind 704.
Is it possible that the 830 has just pulled the whole load up that hill by itself?
It was travelling so slowly, I lost count of the number of wagons - but it looked about the normal 20 to 25 wagons.
Brian
"brianph"


We chased the "Stonie" on the 5th & 7th of December and believe it or not actually witnessed the train trying to cross the level crossing at Bethany. What a small world! No noise or smoke was emanating from #704, but the little 830 (#843) was puffing for all it was worth! The front of the train went across the crossing at a reasonable speed, but it just got slower and slower until the last few wagons were literally down to 0.5mph (or less).

A look up the line towards the locos showed #843 slipping - plumes of black smoke kept intermittently rising up. The #704 appeared to be doing nothing. The lack of progress made chasing the train really easy and we made a couple more photo stops.

We chased the train on 5th December (704 & 841), again, the 704 didn't seem to be making much effort and it took hours to get from Gawler to Port Adelaide, where we'd camped out without hats in the mid day sun. Not good!

Here's #704 drifting along while #843 does all the work:-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_alco_safaris/8304652378/in/set-72157632331928832/

Cheers

Alco S


"Alco Safari"



Article in Saturdays Advertiser gives and interesting insight of what is going on inside the Penrice company, and the next few weeks may be interesting for the company's future direction.
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
Do you have a link? Smile
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Do you have a link? Smile
"Henry"


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/sa-business-journal/bid-to-topple-penrices-board-as-it-battles-to-survive-is-an-unwelcome-distraction/story-e6fredel-1226544206316
"bingley hall"


Thanks Bing.
I have comment before on the stability of the Penrice/stonie traffic future.

Made me do some more looking up. Penrice have been testing, successfully so they claim, the SSR technology with a Pilot plant at Osborne. This process can produce soda ash without the Solvay process which requires the limestone.

Reading articles relating to coal seam gas whose waste water is proposed for the feed to the SSR process suggests the potential soda ash produced by the CSG industry is 0.14 Mtpa. The same article states Osborne's current output is 0.4Mtpa so the SSR technology is unlikely to supplant Osborne.

The risks to Osborne and the Stonie are more likely financial, major investor withdrawing funds, and social, the Lefevre peninsular ludites getting rid of industry.

We can take nothing for granted.

The Angaston Quarry also sell other quarry products, pity these couldn't be railed to a point more central to Adelaide.

Regards
Ian
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria

Whilst over in SA I managed to chase the stonie and grab a few shots...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/henrysrailwaygallery/sets/72157632538063657/with/8376695846/


  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".

Yes that article certainly paints a very sad picture of a company that looks to have a lot of internal conflicts on its board. It seems everyone wants to be the boss actually. But if the company goes under with its huge debt it has I doubt very much if it will be sold as a going concern. This could well spell the end of the stonie though, so it might be an idea to get as many photo's of it as you can as it could well not be there tomorrow.

The Quarry might get sold but the Osborne plant might be a bit of loser though. They tried to sell off the quarry once before but it fell through.

  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

The beginning of the end......

Not looking good - reduced service at the very least from June

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/penrice-to-shut-soda-ash-manufacturing-at-osborne-plan-in-south-australia-impacting-60-jobs/story-e6frea6u-1226556476881


  allan Chief Commissioner
  justapassenger Minister for Railways




The ABC's report. http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/15873458/penrice-pulls-pin-on-soda-ash-production/

"allan"


Appears to be from the same AAP source as the 'Tiser story.

  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Not good at all. It will certainly be harder to film the 'Stonie' from June.
  Station_Mutt Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the Cafeteria of the Adelaide Parklands Terminal!

So, no more stone train in the next few months, ever, ...?

Saw it once at Salisbury, wow, ... great grunt, that one, can't remember which one was haling the loads, it was a few years back.

My one and only personal experience of the stone train.

  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me



So, no more stone train in the next few months, ever, ...?

"Station_Mutt"


Read the Links please!

Soda ash production will end at the Osborne site in June with the jobs going from May onwards.

Sodium bicarbonate production continues as usual at the Osborne site and there are no job losses at its  Angaston limestone mine although there will be reduced costs because of the reduced supply requirement.


So as Bing said "reduced service at the very least from June"

  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.



The ABC's report. http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/15873458/penrice-pulls-pin-on-soda-ash-production/

"The emissions that come from importing soda ash will still be produced. They'll just be produced in a country that doesn't have a carbon tax and then that product will be transported to Australia with additional emissions in that transportation."

"allan"


G'Day All.

As an aside, to solve the issue of goods being procured from a country that does not have a carbon tax, the federal government should grow some b**ls and do what the EU is starting to do, and that is impose a environment tax on the imported goods.

Regards,

John

  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".

From this Saturdays Advertiser. I think you can count on no Stonie from June the whole plant is being shut down, not some of it. So when it shuts there will be no need for any stone at all so therefore the train will not need to run either to supply it. This is what we all dreaded the end of BG freight working in South Australia.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/penrice-to-shut-soda-ash-manufacturing-at-osborne-plan-in-south-australia-impacting-60-jobs/story-e6frea6u-1226556476881

  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me



From this Saturdays Advertiser. I think you can count on no Stonie from June the whole plant is being shut down, not some of it. So when it shuts there will be no need for any stone at all so therefore the train will not need to run either to supply it. This is what we all dreaded the end of BG freight working in South Australia.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/penrice-to-shut-soda-ash-manufacturing-at-osborne-plan-in-south-australia-impacting-60-jobs/story-e6frea6u-1226556476881

"David Peters"


David, the very article you linked to states the following ....

Sodium bicarbonate production continues as usual at the Osborne site and there are no job losses at its  Angaston limestone mine although there will be reduced costs because of the reduced supply requirement
"Adelaide Now"


So that means the Osborne plant will continue to operate, albeit at a reduced rate.

  steam4ian Chief Commissioner






From this Saturdays Advertiser. I think you can count on no Stonie from June the whole plant is being shut down, not some of it. So when it shuts there will be no need for any stone at all so therefore the train will not need to run either to supply it. This is what we all dreaded the end of BG freight working in South Australia.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/penrice-to-shut-soda-ash-manufacturing-at-osborne-plan-in-south-australia-impacting-60-jobs/story-e6frea6u-1226556476881

"David Peters"


David, the very article you linked to states the following ....
Sodium bicarbonate production continues as usual at the Osborne site and there are no job losses at its Angaston limestone mine although there will be reduced costs because of the reduced supply requirement
"Adelaide Now"


So that means the Osborne plant will continue to operate, albeit at a reduced rate.

"Pressman"

Tony

Penrice will be importing Soda Ash which is the base product for Sodium Bicarbonate. CO2 is added to Soda Ash to make the bicarb. There are better ways of getting CO2 than roasting limestone so I suggest no limestone will be required. Put another way, NO STONIE.

Bicarb output is 100,000 tonnes, Soda Ash sales were about 400,000-500,000 tonnes.

Regards
Ian

  mynameismike Deputy Commissioner

Location: /dev/adelaide/magill







From this Saturdays Advertiser. I think you can count on no Stonie from June the whole plant is being shut down, not some of it. So when it shuts there will be no need for any stone at all so therefore the train will not need to run either to supply it. This is what we all dreaded the end of BG freight working in South Australia.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/penrice-to-shut-soda-ash-manufacturing-at-osborne-plan-in-south-australia-impacting-60-jobs/story-e6frea6u-1226556476881

"David Peters"


David, the very article you linked to states the following ....
Sodium bicarbonate production continues as usual at the Osborne site and there are no job losses at its Angaston limestone mine although there will be reduced costs because of the reduced supply requirement
"Adelaide Now"


So that means the Osborne plant will continue to operate, albeit at a reduced rate.

"Pressman"

Tony

Penrice will be importing Soda Ash which is the base product for Sodium Bicarbonate. CO2 is added to Soda Ash to make the bicarb. There are better ways of getting CO2 than roasting limestone so I suggest no limestone will be required. Put another way, NO STONIE.

Bicarb output is 100,000 tonnes, Soda Ash sales were about 400,000-500,000 tonnes.

Regards
Ian

"steam4ian"


If what has been reported is to be believed, Bing would be correct in his assertion that we may see a reduced service.

The Osborne plant will continue to produce quicklime for use in cement.


from the Yahoo 7 article would imply that there will still be a requirement for some limestone at Osborne.

Edit:  I wonder how this will effect the salt flats, as a good chunk of their production went to Osborne for NaCO3 production.

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