Rail line to Mernda

 
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange

THE bid to extend the rail line to Mernda has won the support of Northern Metropolitan MLC Craig Ondarchie.

He has asked lobbyists to draw up a cost-benefit analysis of taking the rail line from South Morang seven kilometres to Mernda, with an additional three stations.

The information will be given to Treasury to establish a case for the extension, according to Darren Peters of the South Morang and Mernda Rail Alliance.

Mr Ondarchie supported the bid after a meeting with the alliance. "As a local resident, I know that infrastructure is probably eight to 10 years behind where we need to be in Melbourne's growth areas," he said. Mr Peters said Mr Ondarchie had told lobbyists he supported a train rather than a bus service.

"The Opposition has only supported a bus, but a train can carry 1000 people, while a bus about 40," Mr Peters said. "It is fantastic to have someone in government on our side and Craig wants to get moving on this quickly." He said an economic benefit of the rail extension would be reduced traffic congestion, which affected trades and services using Plenty Road.

"The rail extension - with stations near Marymede Catholic College, Hawkstowe Park and south of Bridge Inn Road, Mernda - will allow people to get home quicker to be with their families." He said people could support the alliance's Facebook page or contact Mr Ondarchie.

http://www.northernweekly.com.au/story/1169554/mp-jumps-on-board-mernda-rail-line-push/?cs=1241

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  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Why not extend the line. Bet they regret ever digging it up.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

THE bid to extend the rail line to Mernda has won the support of Northern Metropolitan MLC Craig Ondarchie.

"The Opposition has only supported a bus, but a train can carry 1000 people, while a bus about 40," Mr Peters said. "It is fantastic to have someone in government on our side and Craig wants to get moving on this quickly."
"melbtrip"


 A Sydney two-section bendy-bus can carry more than 40, while a three-section bendy-bus in Curitiba, BZ, can carry more still.



"The rail extension - with stations near Marymede Catholic College, Hawkstowe Park and south of Bridge Inn Road, Mernda - will allow people to get home quicker to be with their families." He said people could support the alliance's Facebook page or contact Mr Ondarchie.


"melbtrip"


Is the South Morang track and platform layout designed for extension?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Is the South Morang track and platform layout designed for extension?
"awsgc24"

Yes
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle

THE bid to extend the rail line to Mernda has won the support of Northern Metropolitan MLC Craig Ondarchie.

"The Opposition has only supported a bus, but a train can carry 1000 people, while a bus about 40," Mr Peters said. "It is fantastic to have someone in government on our side and Craig wants to get moving on this quickly."
"melbtrip"


A Sydney two-section bendy-bus can carry more than 40, while a three-section bendy-bus in Curitiba, BZ, can carry more still.
"awsgc24"


A normal bus will carry way more than 40 passengers. 

Perhaps Mr Peters' only experience is with the short bus he rode to school?

A train can carry 1000 people but its certainly not going to carry that many at Mernda. 

  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
A train can carry 1000 people but its certainly not going to carry that many at Mernda.
"drwaddles"

Wanna bet?

Build It And They Will Come (probably in their pants as well   Laughing ). Jokes aside, I have several friends in the Mernda/Doreen area and I am often told of the trouble they have commuting from there. It sometimes takes what seems an eternity in the morning to travel even as far as the Ring Rd; 45 minutes is not unheard of, and even though Plenty Rd is receiving an upgrade now, those piddly works probably won't make much of a difference. Hazel Glen Dr would have been a better endpoint for duplication NOW so at the current rate Vicroads will be in catch-up mode forever. More specific to many Doreen residents is Yan Yean Rd, itself in need of an upgrade as well.

If, magically, a station was to be built near Bridge Inn Rd at Mernda as a Metro terminus for tomorrow morning it would certainly be heavily patronised. The flow-on effect to other stations will be dramatic too - Sth Morang commuters would not only have an overflowing carpark (which occurred from Day 1!) but may have trouble getting a seat! Perhaps it is false to extrapolate from a small sample of locals but the anecdotal evidence is definitely out there. There is no denying the crush that exists on Plenty Rd now and I am let to believe that some bus services have been canned because they had no hope in the current amount of traffic - and it will only get worse despite gradual duplication.

Such is the feeling from out that way that councillors were elected in the recent Local gov't elections purely on their pro-Mernda railway stance.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
A train can carry 1000 people but its certainly not going to carry that many at Mernda.
"drwaddles"

Wanna bet?
"DirtyBallast"


Yes. If you took every single car that travels down Plenty Road from Mernda to South Morang in peak hour you would barely fill a single train, let alone reach the magical 1000 people mark that Mr Shortbus is talking. 
  frezno Junior Train Controller


He has asked lobbyists to draw up a cost-benefit analysis...

"melbtrip"

Considering every new station these days has to be an architectual monstrocity instead of a functioning train platform, I can tell him right now there will be no benefit in the cost.
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
What about also doing the line to Epping North that was promised?!?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
That line would be hard to run as a short spur and would be much better ran as a busway from Epping station.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
What happened to the busway that was promised from South Morang to Mernda? Was that canned by Bailleu after the popularity contest?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

What happened to the busway that was promised from South Morang to Mernda? Was that canned by Bailleu after the popularity contest?
"drwaddles"


The ALP promised $45 million for a dedicated busway, but Libs campaigned against that saying it would prevent a future railway from being built (well that was my understanding).

Department of Transport says it would cost $650 million.  That's clearly another gold-plated, hipster-designed train line!
http://www.whittlesea.vic.gov.au/building-planning-and-transport/roads-and-transport/future-transport-needs/extend-the-rail-line-to-epping-north-and-mernda

"The Department of Transport estimates the Mernda heavy rail extension will cost $650m and Epping North will cost $140m.
These are estimated assuming $10m per rail kilometre, $10m per grade-separated road crossing and $20m per station."

  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Why not extend the line. Bet they regret ever digging it up.
"Camster"
No, they didn't because the sparsely used farmland, branchline-standard track and total lack of utilisation - to the point that a small deputation, who wanted to save the line from closure, drove to the Chief Commissioner to present the petition rather than use the DERM + occasional I truck that was the entire service in the late 1950's.

The conditions the did not warrant the lines retention, and (sensibly) they didn't foresee idiots wanting to move to fabricated boxes over half a century later.
  Manila_Playa87 Station Staff

Umm havn't there been many threads created regarding Mernda? What's wrong with a busway anyways? It's not even going to fill half the seats outside of peak period. Another gold plate solution if you ask me
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Why not extend the line. Bet they regret ever digging it up.
"Camster"

No, they didn't because the sparsely used farmland, branchline-standard track and total lack of utilisation - to the point that a small deputation, who wanted to save the line from closure, drove to the Chief Commissioner to present the petition rather than use the DERM + occasional I truck that was the entire service in the late 1950's.

The conditions the did not warrant the lines retention, and (sensibly) they didn't foresee idiots wanting to move to fabricated boxes over half a century later.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


That is a funny story.

But as far as I knew it remained there as a disused railway for a long time after it was closed (maybe not as far as Mernda, you may know whether or not it remained that far) and the actual digging up of some of this line occurred not too long ago. However, it would require massive rehabilitation and I guess what would have been left there would be worthless anyway.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Checked out the "Extend the Rail line to Mernda" facebook page.  Some interesting historical photos on it.  Note the single track cutting:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=409748742430185&set=a.326624654075928.76470.147608425310886&type=1&theater



  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
Is the South Morang track and platform layout designed for extension?
"awsgc24"
Yes
"Nightfire"


Might need a few sticks of gelignite 'though. The South Morang station is in a cutting and the buffers are infront of solid rock!

  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Is the South Morang track and platform layout designed for extension?
"awsgc24"
Yes
"Nightfire"


Might need a few sticks of gelignite 'though. The South Morang station is in a cutting and the buffers are infront of solid rock!

"L1150"
At least the station is designed for future extension of the line to go beneath the road, should the need arise.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
But as far as I knew it remained there as a disused railway for a long time after it was closed (maybe not as far as Mernda, you may know whether or not it remained that far) and the actual digging up of some of this line occurred not too long ago. However, it would require massive rehabilitation and I guess what would have been left there would be worthless anyway.
"Camster"

It is important to remember that the land is still extant as a railway reservation. Any extension would not be greenfield, and simple compared to Rowville or Doncaster beyond the freeway median.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
A train can carry 1000 people but its certainly not going to carry that many at Mernda.
"drwaddles"

Wanna bet?
"DirtyBallast"


Yes. If you took every single car that travels down Plenty Road from Mernda to South Morang in peak hour you would barely fill a single train, let alone reach the magical 1000 people mark that Mr Shortbus is talking.
"drwaddles"

Even assuming 2 people per car, which is overly generous, there would be many multiples of 500 cars passing through the 6km stretch from Bridge Inn Rd to McDonalds Rd in the morning peak, let alone turning off there in an attempt to get into the already overflowing Sth Morang station carpark. Many of them are heading somewhere towards the CBD.

Maybe trains will not exceed crush level at Mernda itself during peak 2hour once the line is extended there but I fully maintain that that is no excuse not to build the extension. Could you guarantee that embarkees from Sth Meringue would be guaranteed a seat in the morning peak period on a train that originated from Mernda? I couldn't, and I won't.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
 Sth Meringue


That would be on the Pavlova Line then  Laughing



If we are to offer credible public transport to the fast-growing outer fringes of this city then we need to look at rail options.  Buses are fine for local traffic patterns but generally unloved for journeys of more than around 20 - 30 minutes.  I suspect a good many of those who endure the Eastern Freeway services daily would dearly prefer a train.

The 86 tram has probably reached the limit of its effectiveness though might possibly be usefully brought into South Morang in due course.  As an option to get into the City it's not on the radar due to travel time (over an hour) as evidenced by the relatively light loadings even in the peaks beyond LaTrobe Uni.

"Build and they will come" is also known as the "spark effect".  New (or newly-electrified) railways often attract a wave of brand new business which is where South Morang is at now.  Typically some of that falls back over successive years leaving a stable traffic pattern from which future needs can be planned.

The outer north needs much better public transport than it has.  So does the outer south east where trains end at Cranbourne but houses are now almost continuous out to Pearcedale which doesn't even have a regular bus service.

We don't need the petty politics of winning the odd vote - we need a determined and ongoing investment in the future of public transport.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
The need for improved transport is evident with the population of South Morang growing from 6,667 in 2001 to 38,895 in 2011. In addition to this, lLocal Councillors claim that tens of thousands of homes will be built in Mernda and Doreen within the next 10-15 years.  A 2.4 km stretch of Plenty Road is being duplicated with car volumes growing from 10,000 per day in 2008 to 17,000 last year.

Given that South Morang station was well patronised right from the start with its 450 space car park filled by 07:30 hrs, at least some 'studies' should be done by the government


  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
Donnybrook Station is also turning into a very popular option for the Mernda area. Car Park there is filled by 8am which includes along Donnybrook Rd and the Pub car park.

The 562 timetable can be chucked out the window. The connections are 90% never met and its common to get buses double up due to the late running caused be the traffic. The 572 slightly longer with its Zig Zag through the estates is the better option. 562 would have been a great idea for a Rail link services like that of the old 571.

The two North-South roads in the area, Plenty and Yan Yean Roads can both take anywhere from 20-40min to travel Bridge Inn Rd to Gorge and Diamond Creek Rds
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

Just something to reflect on. One of the reasons that rail projects cost so much in Victoria is that many  of our projects are carried out in an operating rail environment (eg. electrification, duplication, station construction). This massively increases costs. It is much cheaper to build a new line as you don't have to worry about track occupations, replacement buses, shift work, etc.

That's one of the reasons why when some advocates compare the cost of rail projects in other states or cities, they are making inappropriate comparrisons.

So the fact that there aren't trains running on that line now will actually make it cheaper to extend the line than if they needed to keep the line open while trying to duplicate and electrify.

As another example, like many other people I looked at the map and thought that the Upfield to Roxburgh Park link looked like an obvious project. But I was wrong. It's actually better for that line to remain closed now, and then do it properly by duplicating and electrifying in a non-operating rail environment. In fact, in that example, you'd actually close Gowrie - Upfield during construction for a year or two as it would reduce the costs massively as trying to build a new station in a live environment adds significant costs.


  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Notwithstanding that South Morang-Mernda would cost $650 million on a line that is being built afresh completely invalidating Revenue

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