Vline A class

 
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

I have been told that the bulldog nosed Vline A class are used to haul trains on the Bacchus Marsh line. Are all Bachus Marsh Services hauled by the A class.? Or if not how can I find out which ones will have an A class?

Also are the A class used on other services at all? And if so which ones and when do they run?

I'm just keen to see one of the A classes running this week if possible. Thanks in advance.

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  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
They're used on the late afternoon or early morning commuter services only. If you plan on going for a ride; or want to grab a photo, bear in mind that only two Up and two Down services feature the A class weekdays only. They don't run on weekends. I have a feeling one of the Geelong services may also use an A class, but I don't know which one.

That's about all I know. I am sure others will have more details than me!
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

0612 up Bacchus Marsh & 1615 down Bacchus Marsh are the only rostered runs for A class.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!

The A class are in the twilight of their years as passenger locomotives. Due to their notable defficiencies, including lack of HEP, the requirement for more staff than most other train types, their lack of numbers compared to N class and P class locos and most notably their age, they are not the first choice of motive power for V/Line to use.

Therefore their use has dwindled over the past few years. Just 5 years ago, they were used extensively on the Seymour line, Geelong line, Bendigo line (for peak hour local trains), Ballarat line (peak hour Bacchus Marsh trains), and Stony Point line. The growth of the VLocity fleet has seem their use dwindle to just one trip each day to and from Bacchus Marsh.

So enjoy them while we still have them, because surely it will not be too long until they are a thing of the past. Crying or Very sad
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
The A's are really no older than the N's (save for the noses, and some parts of the carbody and frames).

They don't have the fuel capacity of the N's, due using the original fuel tank and battery box arrangement.
You are quite correct about the lack of a HEP unit, and that they can't be used as DOO locomotives due to their nose. As far as I am aware though; the engine; alternator; electrical system, and traction motors are the same as the N class, and are of the same vintage.
  outwest Junior Train Controller

You will find one stabled there on the weekend A66 of late
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East

The A's are really no older than the N's (save for the noses, and some parts of the carbody and frames). They don't have the fuel capacity of the N's, due using the original fuel tank and battery box arrangement. You are quite correct about the lack of a HEP unit, and that they can't be used as DOO locomotives due to their nose. As far as I am aware though; the engine; alternator; electrical system, and traction motors are the same as the N class, and are of the same vintage.
"Barrington Womble"


HEP?  DOO?

Any chance of an explanation for the great unwashed....??  Smile
Is "Harold" an A-class?  It was always one of my favourites when it was on the Seymour line.

  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
HEP  = Head End Power.  A secondary genset that powers auxiliary carriages/wagons.
DOO = Driver Only Operation.  Just a driver, no second person.
  ed31880 Train Controller

HEP-head end power

DOO.-driver only operation
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East
Thanks to you both from an uneducated passenger!
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Arn't the A classes two stroke and the N's fourstroke?
  ab123 Chief Train Controller




Arn't the A classes two stroke and the N's fourstroke?

"Camster"


Both are 2 stroke

  vlocity160 V/Gunzel

All weekdays (With the exclusion of public holidays etc.) An A class operates 8129 (16:15) service from Southern Cross Station (SCS) to Bacchus Marsh. It should have two SH sets (Two three car short H sets to form a 6 carriage train) plus a PH van for HEP (Head End Power). This train then forms 8106 (06:12) the next week day back to return to SCS.
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner






Arn't the A classes two stroke and the N's fourstroke?

"Camster"


Both are 2 stroke

"ab123"


Excuse the ignorance, does this mean all diesel engines are 2 stroke?

  woodford Chief Commissioner








Arn't the A classes two stroke and the N's fourstroke?

"Camster"


Both are 2 stroke

"ab123"


Excuse the ignorance, does this mean all diesel engines are 2 stroke?

"Bullucked"


Short answer, no,

This is a broad question, but anyway................

In diesels there is no real problem with 2 strokes like the ones the plague small petrol engines. There are quite a few diesel 2 strokes have been made including some __VERY__ large engines developing many thousands of BHP used in ships. Most diesel engines currently made though will be 4 strokes.

In railways EMD make 2 stroke diesels, engines used an N, A, G class etc all being 2 stroke, I believe GE use 4 stroke engines, small engines such The Cummins QSK19R and the Deutz BF8L513C as used in DMU's will mostly be 4 strokes, Although some early ones did use the GM 2 stroke diesels, the company has not produced these engines now for many years.

Woodford

  woodford Chief Commissioner


The A's are really no older than the N's (save for the noses, and some parts of the carbody and frames). They don't have the fuel capacity of the N's, due using the original fuel tank and battery box arrangement. You are quite correct about the lack of a HEP unit, and that they can't be used as DOO locomotives due to their nose. As far as I am aware though; the engine; alternator; electrical system, and traction motors are the same as the N class, and are of the same vintage.
"Barrington Womble"


Just to clarify (I hope) a point, the problem limiting the life of such locomotives as the A class and similiar machines is fatigue cracking in the frames due to there age and much use particularly around the bogie pivot and support. The S class recently rebuilt for El Zorro cost them a 1/4th of a million to repair these cracks and one still has a frame 60 years old.
Another point with the A class may be that I have yet to talk to a driver that likes the machine. At least with the N class you will occassionaly get a driver with a good word for it.

woodford

  Rocket Deputy Commissioner


The A's are really no older than the N's (save for the noses, and some parts of the carbody and frames). They don't have the fuel capacity of the N's, due using the original fuel tank and battery box arrangement. You are quite correct about the lack of a HEP unit, and that they can't be used as DOO locomotives due to their nose. As far as I am aware though; the engine; alternator; electrical system, and traction motors are the same as the N class, and are of the same vintage.
"Barrington Womble"


Well not quite. Different engines, originally different alternators ( some now the same ), different traction motors and a totally different way of obtaining grunt. The A does not make transition but simply field shunts the motors at about 50 IIRC. The N makes transition, again at about 50 and does not field shunt the traction motors at all.
The A operates almost exactly the same way as a third series X and the N is similar to the old B class in terms of electrical operation. The A is far smoother with the field shunt being almost imperceptible whilst the N can set up some coupling slack during transition.

  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Rumor has it that they will be removed from V/line's next timetable change, and 2 are possibly going on lease to someone. Both unconfirmed at this stage.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller




Rumor has it that they will be removed from V/line's next timetable change, and 2 are possibly going on lease to someone. Both unconfirmed at this stage.

"speedemon08"


On the topic of leasing I have heard that V/Line aren't too keen on the idea, mainly due to the costs incurred if something failed on a loco.

  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic





Rumor has it that they will be removed from V/line's next timetable change, and 2 are possibly going on lease to someone. Both unconfirmed at this stage.

"speedemon08"


On the topic of leasing I have heard that V/Line aren't too keen on the idea, mainly due to the costs incurred if something failed on a loco.

"ab123"

that's easy fixed. write the lease so the company leasing the loco pays for all maintenance on the loco. your weekly payments will be less, but you don't have to pay for maintenance. the lessee is contractually obliged to.

Think of it like a return it how you found it deal, with specified maintenance tasks and when they have to be done in the contract.

  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria







Rumor has it that they will be removed from V/line's next timetable change, and 2 are possibly going on lease to someone. Both unconfirmed at this stage.

"speedemon08"


On the topic of leasing I have heard that V/Line aren't too keen on the idea, mainly due to the costs incurred if something failed on a loco.

"ab123"

that's easy fixed. write the lease so the company leasing the loco pays for all maintenance on the loco. your weekly payments will be less, but you don't have to pay for maintenance. the lessee is contractually obliged to.

Think of it like a return it how you found it deal, with specified maintenance tasks and when they have to be done in the contract.

"Galron"


It's not as simple as that!

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic

It's not as simple as that!
"LowndesJ515"


It is, if you can find someone who'll fall for it Very Happy
  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands

Seen last week, storage maybe?? I know the two PN units have been sitting around a while now...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/notinservice/8561826558/

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  ab123 Chief Train Controller

Pretty sure they are in storage, have been at Dynon since the timetable change which only requires one unit instead of 2, with A66 & 70 having that covered.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

The A's are really no older than the N's (save for the noses, and some parts of the carbody and frames).

"Barrington Womble"


A class are rebuilt from the 1951 vintage B class by Clyde Engineering at their Rosewater South Oz plant in 1983

N Class were built by Clyde Engineering at their Somerton Plant in Vic starting in 1985

If memory serves me correctly the A class were one of the last jobs before Rosewater was closed.

Effectively manufacturing at Rosewater was "transferred" to Somerton between the A class rebuilds and the N class

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