Gawler Electrification Back on Track

 
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

The 4000s are refurbed 3000s...
Aaron

Ignoring any factitious undertones, 4000's were unofficially listed on stabling diagrams, etc... to differentiate between refurb and non refurb 3000's. All 3000's are now done obviously so no need for differentiation.

4000's are the EMUs and thats that.

Also I love the assumptions made here about how things will work. How does anyone know there wont be a revamped Gawler line timetable to run EMU's from Adelaide to Dry Creek? Rumours have it they will purely because a) they can and b) they have the railcars to do it.

It obviously is so they can get the EMU's to Dry Creek for servicing, but this does not preclude operations on that section in revenue service.

As for 3000/3100 class, there are enough to operate Belair, OH, Grange and Gawler Central.  When all the overheads are completed and Adelaide-Dry Creek is electrified, that will be the end of the Jumbos. All platforms at ARS will be electrified as part of this project. Work will start this year.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You would think that with this decision the Jumbos would have to go because (as has been stated previously) there will be more than enough 3000's to cover what's left of the diesel network.  I recall the Gawler timetable had a Dry Creek shuttle during the day when I was living in Adelaide some years ago.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

You would think that with this decision the Jumbos would have to go because (as has been stated previously) there will be more than enough 3000's to cover what's left of the diesel network.  I recall the Gawler timetable had a Dry Creek shuttle during the day when I was living in Adelaide some years ago.
don_dunstan

You would be right, the Dry Creek shuttles were what the previous Northfield line trains were, and were cut back to Dry Creek upon the closure of that line in 1988 (iirc).

And this announcement implies the Jumbos will be retired as there will be no spark free path for them to run on any lines, they aren't permitted to operate on any line that is electrified, and with the entire Adelaide Station being electrified as part of this, and the trip from ARS to Dry Creek being done, that is it. When completed the Jumbos can't operate anywhere on the network in service. (Ignoring going via ARTC track and Rosewater Loop to Outer Harbor).
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Now for the reality this is step one of the Gawler extension, a new substation has to be built at Kilburn, the componentry for this has to be built (delivery time about 18 months), estimated delivery time of last (of 22) 4000 sets maybe late 2015, next state budget June 2014, all this budget has done along with last years has put the whole project on a more realistic timeframe, the biggest part of this is the substation that will supply the power to the rest of the electrified network (with built in provisions for redundancies) as it is commissioned, so provided the party of slash, burn and no public transport doesn't do next years budget the project will proceed.
Very hard to swallow the opposition Transport spokesperson who has never had to use public transport and never will, bloody Toff.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Now for the reality this is step one of the Gawler extension, a new substation has to be built at Kilburn, the componentry for this has to be built (delivery time about 18 months), estimated delivery time of last (of 22) 4000 sets maybe late 2015, next state budget June 2014, all this budget has done along with last years has put the whole project on a more realistic timeframe, the biggest part of this is the substation that will supply the power to the rest of the electrified network (with built in provisions for redundancies) as it is commissioned, so provided the party of slash, burn and no public transport doesn't do next years budget the project will proceed.
Very hard to swallow the opposition Transport spokesperson who has never had to use public transport and never will, bloody Toff.
alcoworldseries

Setting aside your political assumptions you make a good point.

The system, even as it stands, needs an additional feed as from Kilburn. One plan I saw had a substation in the Mile End area

I also thought it needed the additional storage and holding space provided by Dry Creek. I doubt there is room for 22 sets in both Seaford Meadows and Pt Stanvac yards.

Elsewhere you intimated some problem with Dry Creek. I await the outcome.
I do think the ARS sidings were dismissed with undue haste.

Here's a place to start discussion. When the Overland ceases GSR could move to a new facility at Dry Creek (Why not, just increase the inconvenience and irrelevance?) then the APT site will be available for storage; just needs and access restored and perhaps even the Gaol loop put back.
Lights blue touch paper and retires.
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Hope you allowed sufficient burn time!!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
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I do think the ARS sidings were dismissed with undue haste.

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steam4ian

Rann needed them to build a huge monument to himself.

Now instead of waiting a few minutes to replace a defective train-set they have to wait at least half an hour.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
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Very hard to swallow the opposition Transport spokesperson who has never had to use public transport and never will, bloody Toff.
alcoworldseries

That would be Vickie Chapman - did she really say that?  I tried to Google it but couldn't find it.  She seems to have had a very rare attack of honesty, probably Steve Marshall will have to rap her over the knuckles for that.

It's such a sad indictment that our pollies never even try P/T, they think it's only for school-kids, pensioners and dole-bludgers.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It's such a sad indictment that our pollies never even try P/T, they think it's only for school-kids, pensioners and dole-bludgers.
don_dunstan
Bob Such (slightly insane independent member for Fisher, the Aberfoyle Park and Coromandel Valley area) has been a regular user of the Belair line over the years during the times it hasn't been shut down.

If his appeal to the High Court over a speeding fine (you did read that correctly!) fails then he might become an even more frequent user of public transport.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
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I do think the ARS sidings were dismissed with undue haste.

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'steam4ian"

Rann needed them to build a huge monument to himself.

Now instead of waiting a few minutes to replace a defective train-set they have to wait at least half an hour.
"don_dunstan"

I think Ian was refering to the storage sidings on the north side, not the old railcar depot area.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Rann needed them to build a huge monument to himself.

Now instead of waiting a few minutes to replace a defective train-set they have to wait at least half an hour.
don_dunstan
As trains only serve the two northern lines currently I haven't seen whether the northern sidings have been rebuilt after the area was used for assembling the track panels for the Nairne Junction work.

Even if they are not coming back, there are still two sidings on the southern side of the station approach next to City Sk8 - easily enough space to keep two 'hot spare' sets through the day - one two-car diesel consist and one electric unit. There's also plenty of space in the platform tracks themselves, of which we could easily free up one if we used the other eight more efficiently.

If you've had the misfortune of having had to use the RAH any time recently you would have found that it's well past its use-by date. It's not fit for purpose as a modern hospital, it drains staff morale and is so infested with superbugs such as MRSA that they have a policy of early discharge to prevent infection. The only part that is debatable is whether the new RAH is in the right location - I think it is with better public transport access being the main benefit, and for those who think it isn't I would like to hear what they think would be better (Liberal supporters can keep their flappy traps shut, your reactionary "upgrade the current site" policy is not viable).
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I think Ian was refering to the storage sidings on the north side, not the old railcar depot area.
Pressman

Oh right, okay.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
justapassenger:

It was probably just as good a site as any to slot the hospital.  The trains can still operate, they took away Jolimont yards in Melbourne and the rail system didn't collapse; there's not a lot of room at Adelaide now for inter-peak storage or replacements sets is my only point.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The north storage sidings have been rebuilt and this time round they have made access into and out of them much easier now. Simply drive in or out with no mucking around. They were in use just after they were relaid after the Nairne Junction relay finished. I was on a train on lastThursday and railcars were stored in these sidings.
  GN4472 Deputy Commissioner

Sounds great, on every journey you will have to change trains at Dry Creek. Any upgrade to the station there, or will you have to walk/stand on an exposed platform in crappy weather?
Fix it Pat, whoops, JAY!
rouseabout

Ahhh, that good old Australian tradition of "Changing Trains" re-lives again! Smile

But seriously, electrifying to Dry Creek makes sense as it saves the embarassment of having the brand new Electric Railcars being hauled there by ageing diesel locos!

I do hope they do something about the severe speed restriction just before the Torrens Bridges. I seems to take forever to get from Adelaide to the Torrens Bridges.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Ahhh, that good old Australian tradition of "Changing Trains" re-lives again! Smile

But seriously, electrifying to Dry Creek makes sense as it saves the embarassment of having the brand new Electric Railcars being hauled there by ageing diesel locos!

I do hope they do something about the severe speed restriction just before the Torrens Bridges. I seems to take forever to get from Adelaide to the Torrens Bridges.
GN4472
Youre telling me GN4472 it almost takes as long as my journey someday's to get there you get every red light and severe speed restriction. The North line though will get the better Outer Harbour tracks though if the dive in the parklands goes ahead, so this might fix the problem a bit. The North Line now will become the Outer Harbor line and the Outer Harbor line now will become the new North line over the top of the Outer Harbor lines. So this will give you hopefully a lot less speed restrictions on the North Line anyway, I will still get some though by the looks of it on the Outer Harbor tracks, Sigh!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Youre telling me GN4472 it almost takes as long as my journey someday's to get there you get every red light and severe speed restriction. The North line though will get the better Outer Harbour tracks though if the dive in the parklands goes ahead, so this might fix the problem a bit. The North Line now will become the Outer Harbor line and the Outer Harbor line now will become the new North line over the top of the Outer Harbor lines. So this will give you hopefully a lot less speed restrictions on the North Line anyway, I will still get some though by the looks of it on the Outer Harbor tracks, Sigh!
David Peters
Why do you think the suburban lines will swap over?

I can think of four reasons to put it in the middle with the Gawler tracks staying on the easternmost side...

1. The angle of the underpass entrance on the city end would be the same regardless of whether the underpass is built with one track or three over the top.

2. The easternmost option would leave the OH line with a shorter distance to change level between the bridge and the point where it would turn left towards Bowden.

3. The descent into the underpass would be safer in the centre of the corridor, being further away from any threat of objects being lobbed in by either vandals or branches falling from trees near the corridor edge.

4. Why build an underpass to take three tracks on top when you could do it for only one?


Either way, I'm sure there would be the chance for some track repairs to be done on the track south of the bridge during any phase of underpass construction in which they are left idle.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-12/opposition-short-on-detail-of-rail-electrification/4749050


The South Australian Opposition has criticised the Government's failure to proceed with full electrification of the Gawler rail line in Adelaide, but cannot say when it would complete the project, if elected next March.

The state budget contained about $150 million to electrify the northern line as far as Dry Creek, but no date was set for full electrification to Gawler.

Opposition Leader Steven Marshall said the Government had broken a promise it made in 2008 to electrify the entire line.

Mr Marshall said the project would be a priority under a Liberal government, but he could not put a timeframe on when it would be completed.

The electrification of the line as far as Dry Creek is not for passenger use, just to allow electric trains from the southern line to reach the Dry Creek depot for maintenance work.
ABC news
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

And that's why the Liberals don't have a chance of winning the next state election. Still no sign of any policies whatsoever, the incumbent Labor government is at least doing well enough to avoid a heavy protest vote and the Libs will be hampered by association with what is likely to be a widely-despised Abbott government six months in.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Before we all get too carried away with the "what ifs" don't forget this project is the building of a substation and electrification by the end of the 2014/15 financial year, not exactly tomorrow.

This was an almost non-announcement.

We can expect the 4000 class to be towed to Dry Creek when required for the foreseeable future.

Who knows what the plan for the work in 2014/15 and beyond will be?
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
...well I've listened and read responses .....but I'm still banking on "logical" thinking will prevail and there will be a reconnection of the southern end of the Gaol Loop (near Port Road bridge were the tracks are straight and parallel)....but maybe not for a while, and maybe not until the electrification to Dry Creek is nearly finished....for obvious reasons......and can I back it up....of course not? 8)
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Bob Such (slightly insane independent member for Fisher, the Aberfoyle Park and Coromandel Valley area) has been a regular user of the Belair line over the years during the times it hasn't been shut down.

If his appeal to the High Court over a speeding fine (you did read that correctly!) fails then he might become an even more frequent user of public transport.
justapassenger

Oh dear, well it's a reminder how important public transport is for people who lose their licenses, isn't it.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Personally, if money was available, I'd have taken it to Mawson Lakes. This wold also allow the electrics to use the length of track between Dry Creek and Mawson Lakes for testing, but also to be able to run services all stops between Mawson Lakes and Adelaide. Either way, at least it's a step forward.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Before we all get too carried away with the "what ifs" don't forget this project is the building of a substation and electrification by the end of the 2014/15 financial year, not exactly tomorrow.

This was an almost non-announcement.

We can expect the 4000 class to be towed to Dry Creek when required for the foreseeable future.

Who knows what the plan for the work in 2014/15 and beyond will be?
kipioneer

Equipment for the substation typically has a 48 week lead time from placing the order, add to that design time, specification and tendering  followed after delivery by erection testing and commissioning and two years disappears very easily.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Personally, if money was available, I'd have taken it to Mawson Lakes. This wold also allow the electrics to use the length of track between Dry Creek and Mawson Lakes for testing, but also to be able to run services all stops between Mawson Lakes and Adelaide. Either way, at least it's a step forward.
"witsend"


This would also allow the EMU's to use the northern entry to the railcar depot.

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