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      themetptc Junior Train Controller

    Location: Ballarat
    At about 0515 this morning I spotted D2.5003 out of service, heading north up Smith St in Fitzroy/ Collingwood. Most likely would have been heading to Preston Workshops.

    Also, regarding D2s running the 8, do they have any issues terminating D2s at Toorak Rd/ Glenferrie Rd? There doesn't seem to be enough room for a D2 to pull into the terminus there without one end of the tram being stuck around the curves and in the middle of the intersection.
    Gman_86
    D2s are permitted to terminate at the North Track only as there is just enough room for them to do so without fouling the traffic in Glenferrie Rd, however I think they do block the pedestrian crossing.  Generally though the D2s are only on the single run car out car in trips to avoid this situation. e.g. Car out to Toorak, run to Moreland, run to Toorak then car in.
    Sim.
    Posted: 23 Jul 2013 23:18

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      Boss Chief Commissioner

    Location: Caulfield Line
    At about 0515 this morning I spotted D2.5003 out of service, heading north up Smith St in Fitzroy/ Collingwood. Most likely would have been heading to Preston Workshops.

    Also, regarding D2s running the 8, do they have any issues terminating D2s at Toorak Rd/ Glenferrie Rd? There doesn't seem to be enough room for a D2 to pull into the terminus there without one end of the tram being stuck around the curves and in the middle of the intersection.
    Gman_86
    Well, eventually I assume that, that dangerous terminus, will be fixed.
    Posted: 24 Jul 2013 07:02
      Boss Chief Commissioner

    Location: Caulfield Line
    The Toorak shunt is long enough.
    route14
    It is not the length of the shunt but its location with all the impatient car drivers being blocked by the trams.

    Two lanes into one in both directions depending on the peak hour.
    Posted: 29 Jul 2013 16:42
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    It is not the length of the shunt but its location with all the impatient car drivers being blocked by the trams.

    Two lanes into one in both directions depending on the peak hour.
    Boss

    Has this got anything to do with the length of a terminating tram?
    Posted: 29 Jul 2013 19:01
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Earlier today there were three A1s on route 24.
    Posted: 05 Aug 2013 20:34
      Boss Chief Commissioner

    Location: Caulfield Line
    Has this got anything to do with the length of a terminating tram?
    route14
    I don't think so.

    It has to do with that fact that the normal terminus is on the inbound track which blocks one car lane into the city.

    If the next tram arrives at the terminus before the preceding tram leaves it blocks the outbound track whilst waiting to enter the terminus.

    Disembarking from any tram at the terminus is dangerous as the road traffic is in a hurry to get past any tram at the terminus
    Posted: 06 Aug 2013 09:05
      Chrono Detector Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Tram 57/59
    Not really unusual, but I can see a couple of Essendon B2's on the 19 today (2005, 2056, 2096 and possibly others on loan to Brunswick) and last Friday 2044 was on the 59.
    Posted: 06 Aug 2013 17:03
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    I don't think so.

    It has to do with that fact that the normal terminus is on the inbound track which blocks one car lane into the city.

    If the next tram arrives at the terminus before the preceding tram leaves it blocks the outbound track whilst waiting to enter the terminus.

    Disembarking from any tram at the terminus is dangerous as the road traffic is in a hurry to get past any tram at the terminus
    Boss

        You are quite right, but such scenario doesn't happen often as about half the runs are operated from Malvern Depot, and two return trips to Moreland would be over 4 hours, exceeding the normal limit for a portion of shift, so almost all Malvern runs originate from / extend to Malvern Depot, meaning the stop at Toorak is minimal.
    Posted: 06 Aug 2013 17:44
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    D2.5011 is running on route 5.
    Posted: 12 Aug 2013 07:53
      BR BILL Locomotive Driver

    Location: Melbourne
    D2.5016 was on Flemington Rd this afternoon at 1540. It's desto was reading Not in Service... perhaps this is first sign of low floor trams on route 57/59 ? Ahh, one could only hope ! Razz
    Posted: 18 Aug 2013 16:32

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      Chrono Detector Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Tram 57/59
    ^^ That tram most likely was a shuttle to the Showgrounds, it is common to see a D2 running a Showgrounds shuttle with events held at the Showgrounds.
    Posted: 18 Aug 2013 16:36
      glennofootscray Junior Train Controller

    Location: Footscray
    An out of service training on a show and tell exercise to the showgrounds loop.

    Regards Glenn
    Posted: 18 Aug 2013 16:53
      BR BILL Locomotive Driver

    Location: Melbourne
    That answers that question. Thanks gents. Smile
    Posted: 19 Aug 2013 16:14
      melbourne1995 Beginner

    Saw one of the tramcar restaurants along High St in Kew a few weeks ago with passengers/diners on board. Would've been a bit of a boring ride, considering it was travelling along a part of High St after the junction with Cotham Rd where the 109 diverges and thus would've had to travel on the same route back - I'm assuming they would have turned around at Harp Junction (that's the last turnaround point before the terminus).
    Posted: 20 Aug 2013 18:38
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    That's a bit unusual.  This route is normally chosen during the Grand Prix weekend, during which they shunt at the North Balwyn terminus.  Provided the Restaurant trams don't make intermediate stops they aren't really slower than a normal service, so they sometimes double shunt with service cars.
    Posted: 21 Aug 2013 14:40
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Not sure if this is unusual, but route 5 was 100% Z class today
    Even less sure if this is unusual, but route 16 was 100% D1 today
    Posted: 24 Aug 2013 21:54
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    The D2s are and were quite capable physically of running on the route 72, including through Gardiner crossing, they are no different to a D1 in that respect.  The problem was the short islands in the overpass of the nearby freeway, meaning if they had to stop there they would block traffic lanes entering or exiting the freeway ramps because of the D2s nice long length.

    BTW there is 1 D2 always allocated to Malvern, primarily for the 16 but occassionally on the 8.  Other or extra D2s do sometimes operate as well if they are at Malvern for maintenance from Southbank but are needed for service, or if they are required for testing on/or able to be on short runs prior to or post maintenance.

    Sim.
    themetptc
    Firstly, Malvern used to have D2.5021, which ran on routes 5, 6, 8 and 16, but has since been re-allocated to Southbank, because it is needed for its high capacity. However, all D2s occasionally go to Malvern for maintenance, and can be seen running on Malvern routes - usually 16, sometimes 8, rarely 5 or 6.

    Apparently, the issue with D2s on route 72 is not the centre bogies or the length. While they are long, they don't actually block traffic from the Monash Freeway. The reason for them never running route 72 is not infrastructure related, it is because patronage on route 72 is not low enough that it needs D2s, although having said that, I'm not sure why they still make occasional appearances on routes 5 and 6.
    Posted: 25 Aug 2013 20:36
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Earlier today, B2.2109 ran on route 96.
    Posted: 29 Aug 2013 22:49
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    This morning, A1.254 ran on route 86 and A1.246 ran on route 96.
    Posted: 30 Aug 2013 20:13
      Chrono Detector Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Tram 57/59
    Z3 121 was on Route 59 this evening.
    Posted: 02 Sep 2013 19:28
      mattylovestrains Train Controller

    Z3 121 was on Route 59 this evening.
    Chrono Detector
    I wonder when they're going to start running B2s on route 57. I've seen some overcrowded Z3s there.
    Posted: 02 Sep 2013 20:20
      712M Chief Commissioner

    I wonder when they're going to start running B2s on route 57. I've seen some overcrowded Z3s there.
    "mattylovestrains"


    Not while the safety zones in North Melbourne are too short for a B2. Easier to add more Z3 services when the Es come online.
    Posted: 02 Sep 2013 21:53
      scrat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Fitzroy North
    Could just extend the safety zones, this has recently been done along Nicholson St on route 96.

    Liam.
    Posted: 02 Sep 2013 21:59
      Myrtone Chief Commissioner

    Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
    In that case, we may as well rebuild the stops as platform stops, especially by your own admission that tram stops are all going to need them.
    Posted: 02 Sep 2013 23:33
      scrat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Fitzroy North
    In that case, we may as well rebuild the stops as platform stops, especially by your own admission that tram stops are all going to need them.
    Myrtone
    Cost. The cost of moving the prowl and extending the fencing pales in insignificance compared to the cost of building platforms. At a guess all safety zone stops on the 57 could be extended for about the same cost as building one level boarding stop.

    Liam.
    Posted: 02 Sep 2013 23:53

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