Long Island steel

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How are the rails cleaned on other lines ?

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  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
How are the rails cleaned on other lines ?
freightgate
Most routes see a mix of disc and tread braked rolling stock.  Even if all the rolling stock is disc braked the service is often more frequent than at Stony Point meaning the rails get cleaned a little more often.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Eh? I thought they had eight - or is that only four which pass over the detector? ( i.e. the detector is on one rail only )
Valvegear
Um, yeah, I meant 4 axles.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
How are the rails cleaned on other lines ?
freightgate
Mostly by having plenty of traffic on the lines.

In the UK, where they also run less frequent railcars services, the great majority of trees are deciduous, so they employ gas turbine blowers to blast the leaves off the tracks.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Mostly by having plenty of traffic on the lines.

In the UK, where they also run less frequent railcars services, the great majority of trees are deciduous, so they employ gas turbine blowers to blast the leaves off the tracks.
TheBlacksmith

If the SP line had been electrified metro spark services with far greater frequency would already be using the line.  The residents of Stony Point and beyond are owed a better service.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
If the SP line had been electrified metro spark services with far greater frequency would already be using the line.  The residents of Stony Point and beyond are owed a better service.
x31
Beyond Stony Point lies water!

But I know what you mean.  

Users of all intermediate stations on the Stony Point line and those who might drive to and use it from surrounding areas if the service were better.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Users of all intermediate stations on the Stony Point line and those who might drive to and use it from surrounding areas if the service were better.
Gwiwer

The leaving of this non electrified component of what is essentially a metro line has become farcical.  It is now beyond a joke in 2015.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The leaving of this non electrified component of what is essentially a metro line has become farcical.  It is now beyond a joke in 2015.
x31
I'm assuming you're not a taxpayer.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I'm assuming you're not a taxpayer.
bingley hall

Why should that matter?  A business case should have already been written to electrify the line and remove this stupid unworkable situation.  It makes perfect sense to make it happen.

it is now beyond a joke. Not only for Metro but for passengers and the PTV.  You really need to wonder about how this PTV organisation is run.  Anyone who disagrees about the need to fix this anomaly clearly has their head in the sand.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Why should that matter?  A business case should have already been written to electrify the line and remove this stupid unworkable situation.  It makes perfect sense to make it happen.

it is now beyond a joke. Not only for Metro but for passengers and the PTV.  You really need to wonder about how this PTV organisation is run.  Anyone who disagrees about the need to fix this anomaly clearly has their head in the sand.
x31
'PTC and organisation' together in one sentence..............Evil or Very Mad
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
"Victorian Railways"

Victorian in so many ways.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Why should that matter?  A business case should have already been written to electrify the line and remove this stupid unworkable situation.  It makes perfect sense to make it happen.

it is now beyond a joke. Not only for Metro but for passengers and the PTV.  You really need to wonder about how this PTV organisation is run.  Anyone who disagrees about the need to fix this anomaly clearly has their head in the sand.
x31
Electrification for a two car set running 30 odd kilometres maybe a dozen times a day?  It is quite unlikely that a business case could be put together for that.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Just replace the Sprinters with DERMs - problem solved.Smile
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Electrification for a two car set running 30 odd kilometres maybe a dozen times a day?  It is quite unlikely that a business case could be put together for that.
donttellmywife
Depends how the case is presented.

If the Baxter EMU berthing facility (let's call it a depot in plain English) is developed - and more berthing capacity is needed at the outer end of the Frankston line - then the case can be made a little stronger as the wires will need to go to Baxter and much of the necessary work at Frankston done to accommodate that.

If we look at the population growth - known and anticipated - around Hastings and consider a 30-minute peak service and hourly off-peak then we need a crossing loop at Tyabb as a minimum and double electrified tracks to Hastings as an ideal.  From there a single-track extension to Stony Point comes at a negligible additional cost.

A single unit making a dozen trips a day?  If the line were to be electrified an hourly service might mean 18 trips a day and we are talking about a there-car unit here.  Additional rolling stock isn't cheap but there are add-on orders for more Xtraps still going through so one extra train (two three-car units) would give the additional fleet strength increase.  Even if those actual units didn't work the route.

Many existing units don't make 18 trips a day every day.

I suspect a strong enough business case could be made but other projects such as the north-south rail tunnel will present with a  much stronger case and a far better long-term return.

But for how long can we afford to ignore the residents of Westernport and the very rapid urban growth in the region?  Modernisation must come.  The question is when.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
It depends a little more on detail - but three car sets running 20 km out and back eighteen times a day is probably marginal for electrification as well.  Considering here the capital and operating cost of operation of diesel sets against the capital and operating cost of overhead wire infrastructure and electric sets, which is the main driver for considering electrification.  Along the lines of what bing suggested, it is also the main driver from the point of view of the general taxpayer.

If you need the execution of another project to make this project viable, then obviously you become dependent on the time frame of that other project.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
There is another thread running comparing Vic and NSW approach to infrastructure. It points out the NSW approach is to build before the need becomes urgent - something from which Victoria should learn as a matter of urgency.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
There is another thread running comparing Vic and NSW approach to infrastructure. It points out the NSW approach is to build before the need becomes urgent - something from which Victoria should learn as a matter of urgency.
Valvegear
I think separating the states on that basis is inaccurate.  One example only is put forward for NSW - the South West Rail Link.  There are plenty of other examples where planning and construction has lagged need.  

In terms of the South West Rail Link, in time there is a high probability that link will be useful (particularly given the possibility of further extension to the second airport) but at the moment you've got a billion odd dollars of rail line that is sitting there practically unused, and likely to remain that way for the next few years.  That isn't smart.

Planning ahead, and executing the preliminaries on those plans (acquiring and reserving corridors, etc) to keep the plan viable ahead of probable need is something which absolutely should be done.  Building a long way ahead of probable need is a very different question.

A more meaningful difference between the states in recent times (the last decade or so) is that NSW has pretty much been able to fund its urban and regional passenger rail projects out of the state budget, while Victoria appears to be dependent on significant Federal funding.
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Back to the Steelie, have noticed that its been returning back up in the arvos quite a bit earlier at times of late. Down day trains are sometimes a bit earlier also  than was the norm, by an hour at times.  Whats caused this ...anyone ?

Was a time you could set your watch by when it passed my place, now all over the shop !!
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Back to the Steelie, have noticed that its been returning back up in the arvos quite a bit earlier at times of late. Down day trains are sometimes a bit earlier also  than was the norm, by an hour at times.  Whats caused this ...anyone ?

Was a time you could set your watch by when it passed my place, now all over the shop !!
SPSD40T2
Since the sprinters aren't running on stony point it can basically leave whenever it wants.
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Since the sprinters aren't running on stony point it can basically leave whenever it wants.
speedemon08
I can see that makes much sense when you put it that way Smile
  hot-axle-box Junior Train Controller

Back to the Steelie, have noticed that its been returning back up in the arvos quite a bit earlier at times of late. Down day trains are sometimes a bit earlier also  than was the norm, by an hour at times.  Whats caused this ...anyone ?

Was a time you could set your watch by when it passed my place, now all over the shop !!
SPSD40T2
It has the whole line to itself !!! No need to wait for the stony on it's down run to pass long island before you can let it enter the single line. Its not bound to any paths !
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
It has the whole line to itself !!! No need to wait for the stony on it's down run to pass long island before you can let it enter the single line. Its not bound to any paths !
hot-axle-box
It still requires a path through the suburban area.
  hot-axle-box Junior Train Controller

It still requires a path through the suburban area.
Lad_Porter
Onya Captain Obvious ! It's a lot easier to get a path on the suburban side than the half a dozen you get on the single line when the stony is running.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Long Island Steel down waiting line clear at SCS Goods line 11:30am.  G541-BL29 on the lead.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Images from the above sighting.





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