2013 Federal Election - 7th September

 
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
2301, ..., can't you do better than Juliar? It has been done to death and is neither original nor witty.
Valvegear

No he can't. Plenty of incite and SFA insight.

Hardly surprising when you feed off Rosebud's rags and the cash for comments' vomit. The best free media money can buy Rolling Eyes

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  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
No he can't. Plenty of incite and SFA insight.

Hardly surprising when you feed off Rosebud's rags and the cash for comments' vomit. The best free media money can buy Rolling Eyes
Groundrelay

Oh c'mon, don't be so precious; it is a fundamental underpinning of democracy that citizens are able to ridicule and satire elected members.  

After all, the lying b1tch deserves it.  What a hypocrite she is; banging on about climate change and rising sea levels and then she goes and buys a waterfront property.  What a disgrace!  And you people say they deserve to be treated with respect......
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
I'm looking forward to seeing Krudd have a cry again on Saturday night........it will be priceless to see the little weasel ball his eyes out again.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I'm looking forward to seeing Krudd have a cry again on Saturday night........it will be priceless to see the little weasel ball his eyes out again.
2301
We'll see. It can still go either way.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Invading for oil, nonsense, it would be far easier and cheaper to simply buy the oil.
northbritish
Why buy it when you can have control over it, and dictate your own price?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
We'll see. It can still go either way.
"Barrington Womble"
If by either way you mean 'really bad for Labor' or 'even worse for Labor' then I'd agree. If you mean either way as in 'good for Labor' or 'good for Liberal' then I would have to say you'd never get a job in my bookmaking business.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Oh c'mon, don't be so precious; it is a fundamental underpinning of democracy that citizens are able to ridicule and satire elected members.  
After all, the lying b1tch deserves it.  What a hypocrite she is; banging on about climate change and rising sea levels and then she goes and buys a waterfront property.  What a disgrace!  And you people say they deserve to be treated with respect......
"2301"

The point was not about any underpinning of democracy - it was about your pitiful dredging up of other people's hackneyed expressions and re-using them after they had been long demonstrated to be, as I said, neither original nor witty.
Now, your next diatribe.  I could do without the term "lying b1tch". Abuse of that type shows me that you have a bully mentality. It is no substitute for reasoned debate. (Hint; look up "debate" ). So she bought a waterfront property -  how far above sea level is it? What is the projected rise in sea level?  Where is the so-called disgrace in her purchase? It would make for a far more stimulating exchange if you tried occasionally to deal in facts instead of second-hand opinions and trite phrases. (Second Hint:  look up "fact" ).
Finally, I've had two previous goes at you about your double standards - remember? - a Liberal/National coalition is OK by you, but a Labor/Greens coalition is selling the soul.  No answer, eh? Of course not; you'd have to think clearly, and we're all waiting to see that happen.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Why buy it when you can have control over it, and dictate your own price?
"Barrington Womble"
Please, do us all, and most importantly yourself, a favour and google 'OPEC'.

Specifically, I need you to understand this:

[Quote="OPEC Mission"]In accordance with its Statute, the mission of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is to coordinate and unify the petroleum policies of its Member Countries and ensure the stabilization of oil markets in order to secure an efficient, economic and regular supply of petroleum to consumers, a steady income to producers and a fair return on capital for those investing in the petroleum industry.[/quote] Next, you need to understand this: Syria produces 0.48% of the World's oil. There's a lot of oil produced in the world, so 0.48% might be a lot... Except Australia produces 0.70% of the World's oil..
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
If by either way you mean 'really bad for Labor' or 'even worse for Labor' then I'd agree. If you mean either way as in 'good for Labor' or 'good for Liberal' then I would have to say you'd never get a job in my bookmaking business.
Aaron
I have no intention to become a bookmaker. I made my comment in fairness to both sides, not based on my own opinions or beliefs.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
What is the projected rise in sea level?
"Valvegear"
If you believe James Hansen, who incidentally Tim Flannery believes, then mean sea levels will rise 25m, if you believe Tim Flanery, who no one believes*, 60m is the expected value by the end of the century.

*Except Julia, Bob and Chirstine.

Tim Flannery said this "So anyone with a coastal view from their bedroom or kitchen window is likely to lose their house as a result of that change"

Where is the so-called disgrace in her purchase?
"Valvegear"
The disgrace is thus: she used the above statements and (pseudo) science^ from Tim Flannery (and others) to foist the 'not under a government I lead' Carbon Tax on us. Now that she's out of Parliament she's buying up a property that if you believe the 'science' that 'was in', her justifications for the CT, will be worthless soon. So either she doesn't believe in the 'science' (rightly) and misled us to get the CT on, OR (and I actually think this is quite possible) she runs her own personal economy just like she ran the nations, that being without any sensibility.

^Tim Flannery also managed to state that data showed Australian coastal sea levels increased annually by 3mm. The Australian Bureau of Meteorology is on the official record with data showing 1.7mm
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Anyone who believes rises of that magnitude is off his head. 25 metres by the end of the century is roughly 29 cm a year; 60 metres by the end of the century is about 70 cm a year, Not even Noah would believe either. Global warming has some degree of credibility, but not to that extent.
Thanks for your comment, Aaron; I'm a little disappointed that 2301 didn't put up some figures.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I don't see why the liberals have got that has been howard to campaign for them, especially when he as "instructed by" (oh sooorrry I mean "followed") Bush jnr into the invasion of Iraq for oil.
I
Invading for oil, nonsense, it would be far easier and cheaper to simply buy the oil.
northbritish
I don't believe it is nonsense. The invasion was due to those three letters.

Okay then, if you believe it is nonsense, then why didn't Bush jnr do the same to that Dictator Mgambee Thug, and threaten to invade Zimbabwe?

Anyone else want to answer that first?

Also if you believe it was nonsense, then when Bush was "invited" to Australia, why did he say OPEC at first, instead of APEC? I thought he would have been more careful with the wording.

Oh by the way, just for your info, the vote compass thinks I'm more aligned with the Liberals.

As stated before, both parties are as bad as each other.

If Tony Abbott becomes PM next Saturday, he has already stated that he supports military action in Syria. Let's put this way, the election is on the 7th, Obama has to wait to the 9th for a decision. Britain has already said no.

Edit: By the way, if anyone heard Pauline Hanson this morning, she DOES support genuine refugees, and despite what others say, she wants REDUCED immigration, not to stop immigration.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Oh c'mon, don't be so precious; it is a fundamental underpinning of democracy that citizens are able to ridicule and satire elected members...
2301


If you were capable of any original ridicule and satire I'd agree. All you do is ape or should I say parrot Rosebuds rags and cash for comment's vitriol.

...After all, the lying b1tch deserves it.  What a hypocrite she is; banging on about climate change and rising sea levels and then she goes and buys a waterfront property.  What a disgrace!  And you people say they deserve to be treated with respect......
2301


When it's laced with such over the top hatred, well at the risk of invoking Godwin Grech's Law that's hardly surprising. Rolling Eyes

Why not slag off at Bishop. Perhaps someone should load you up with asbestos dust to remind you where you stand in her world. Ha, Ha, Ha!
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I don't believe it is nonsense. The invasion was due to those three letters.

Okay then, if you believe it is nonsense, then why didn't Bush jnr do the same to that Dictator Mgambee Thug, and threaten to invade Zimbabwe?

Anyone else want to answer that first?
Newcastle Express
OK, I'll take a crack at it. Zimbabwe was not a threat to the US in any way, it was not threatening to develop a nuclear weapons program, and they had not recently invaded one of their neighbours who happened to be a close ally of the US. They were not murdering a minority race within their own borders. That's just three things off the top of my head.

Sorry, you are going to have to come up with a better one than that.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

OK, I'll take a crack at it. Zimbabwe was not a threat to the US in any way, it was not threatening to develop a nuclear weapons program
TheBlacksmith
That's not the real answer for why Bush jnr & co didn't.

The real answer is because Zimbabwe doesn't have three important letters.

Although it's semi-related, we should get back to the topic.

And why isn't Abbott releasing all of his policies until only a day or two before the election?
But then again, is Palmer going to preference the Liberals?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
OK, I'll take a crack at it. Zimbabwe was not a threat to the US in any way, it was not threatening to develop a nuclear weapons program, and they had not recently invaded one of their neighbours who happened to be a close ally of the US. They were not murdering a minority race within their own borders. That's just three things off the top of my head.

Sorry, you are going to have to come up with a better one than that.
TheBlacksmith
Better stick to baddies vs goodies and baddies vs baddies. Much simpler. Idea

- you have North Korea and Iran both doing a bit more than talking about Nukes. Why not them?
- it was a decade after Iraq invaded Kuwait! When was that ever given as a reason by Shrub or Johnny???
- as for stopping countries slaughtering their citizens where do you want to start???

Pretty impressive reasoning so far Rolling Eyes

Anyone who justifies the second Iraq War on that basis must be a comedian. Ha Ha Ha
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Agree or disagree with Pauline Hanson, but according to some, due to preferences she MAY may get a seat in the Senate. IF she does, imagine her in the Senate with the Greens.

Would I be correct, in that the so called "Private Party" is an off-shoot of the Greens?

So Abbott & the Nationals & Palmer for that matter, why aren't they all saying that most of the electricity bill costs rising are due to state governments, especially NSW & Qld?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
We'll see. It can still go either way.
Barrington Womble
Are you serious? ALP have about as much chance at staying in power as has Gadaffi
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I have no intention to become a bookmaker. I made my comment in fairness to both sides, not based on my own opinions or beliefs.
Barrington Womble
So did I, ALP are about to face a white wash. Hence why they have gone around and recruited the likes of Smiling Peter Beatie for a safe seat. After Juliar and her cronies were kicked out by Rudd and co, even if they haven't resigned from parilment and even if they survive the election, you won't see too many back in the front bench in the shaddow ministery. Then of Rudd's team, which he had to pick from the dreg's and toss offs from Juliar previously, what ever surives the election will be minor. so come Sunday morning, the ALP will be lacking significant depth in the Shaddow Ministry, not unlike Qld ALP which doesn't even have enough people to form a proper opposition.

My understanding is the ALP have lost much of their western Sydney stronghold in a state with a LIB govt and hence assuming this will be reflected around the country, FED ALP is about to repeat the disastor elections of NSW 2011 and Qld 2012. Rudd will do well to hold his seat but if he does it could be just him and Beatie from Qld and this in a state where the current LNP state govt has been forced to make some extremenly unpopular decisions. what hope do they have elsewhere?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Agree or disagree with Pauline Hanson, but according to some, due to preferences she MAY may get a seat in the Senate. IF she does, imagine her in the Senate with the Greens.

Would I be correct, in that the so called "Private Party" is an off-shoot of the Greens?

So Abbott & the Nationals & Palmer for that matter, why aren't they all saying that most of the electricity bill costs rising are due to state governments, especially NSW & Qld?
Newcastle Express
Pauline (right wing) and the Greens (Leftist/socialist) don't have much in common. I doubt she would team up with them under any conditions.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Oh c'mon, don't be so precious; it is a fundamental underpinning of democracy that citizens are able to ridicule and satire elected members.  

After all, the lying b1tch deserves it.  What a hypocrite she is; banging on about climate change and rising sea levels and then she goes and buys a waterfront property.  What a disgrace!  And you people say they deserve to be treated with respect......
"2301"


I've completely turned off this potentially very interesting forum when people like 2301 find they can't contribute without being abusive. There is no place for this type of behaviour in contemporary Australian politics. The overwhelming majority of MPs on both sides of politics don't behave like that and are genuinely committed to trying to make a difference. For people like 2301 who form judgements based on 10 second media grabs in the Murdoch media that might be difficult to understand.

2301, you really need some help with your anger management issues. From now on, I'm not going to participate in this particular forum.  I find it amazing that you are unable to comprehend differing opinions.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
RTT_Rules, I very much doubt Beatie is going to win his seat. I also think Rudd is only line ball at best to hold his. Rudd might be the only QLD ALP member in the House of Reps, if he can't hold his seat there'll be no QLD ALP seats. I think September 8 will see Labor holding about (or less than) 60 lower house seats.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm old enough to remember Keating winning the "unwinnable election."  I'm keeping my money in my pocket, far away from the bookies.Smile
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

I'm old enough to remember Keating winning the "unwinnable election."  I'm keeping my money in my pocket, far away from the bookies.Smile
Valvegear
I am old enough to remember too - especially the way Mike Willisee tied John Hewson in knots trying to explain the GST. From that point on there was a definite change in momentum in the 1993 election.

But can you honestly say that you have seen that momentum change thus far?

Personally, I am not sure that the election will be a white wash, but with the LNP being most likely to win the seats held by Slipper, Windsor and Oakeshot the ALP have a problem from the outset.

Current polling does not look good in NSW and even QLD does not seem likely to provide seats to offset those three and give the extra ones needed.

Craig W
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
I am old enough to remember too - especially the way Mike Willisee tied John Hewson in knots trying to explain the GST. From that point on there was a definite change in momentum in the 1993 election.

But can you honestly say that you have seen that momentum change thus far?

Personally, I am not sure that the election will be a white wash, but with the LNP being most likely to win the seats held by Slipper, Windsor and Oakeshot the ALP have a problem from the outset.

Current polling does not look good in NSW and even QLD does not seem likely to provide seats to offset those three and give the extra ones needed.

Craig W
CraigW
You gentlemen would then remember Keating being cool, calm and collected during this time as well. Rudd has been anything but that over the last few weeks, whereas Abbott, as much as people might not like it and still deny it, has looked far more competent. There has also been too much damage done for a Hewson moment to change the course of the election at this stage. Unless it was something quite extraordinary of course, which is unlikely. If that was going to happen, it would have happened by now. The 1993 election was only a 1.54% swing to Labor - not very big in the scheme of things. 2007 was a 5.44% swing.

But having said that, the party expected to lose has historically picked up ground in the last week, with the election result usually better for them than the last round of polling would suggest. Exception here is 2004 where Latham received fairly good polling in the leadup, and Howard & Co then performing better on election day. A 2PP as big as we saw in yesterday's Newspoll has never been overcome during the last week of a campaign.

Coalition will absolutely get the majority in the House - they only need four seats to do so (seats of Slipper, Oakeshott, Windsor, plus one more). They will gain them plus at least 15 - 20 more. Labor needs to gain 5 seats to gain majority.

Our friends at the CFMEU aren't doing the comrades' cause much with some of their efforts either. Reductio ad Hitlerum.

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