Hitachi spotting

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Again, that's just why they shouldn't be used. I'll explain the difference:
Shouldn't be used - they are usable, but have features that do not meet current standards
Can't be used - if there's something that actually prevents them from running. I believe that's why MrToastyy made his comment in the first place.
"...because they're a thousand years old..."
I do NOT like this exaggeration, especially when W class trams are still running on routes 30, as well as 78/79 (until Friday). If age really was an issue, they'd only be allowed on the City Circle. Mind you, 845 had its 75th birthday on the 13th of July, and it's one of the green route 30 Ws, compare that to our 42 year old Hitachis
"...passenger comfort..."
They were actually more comfortable, in my opinion, than other trains (especially compared to X'traps, quite embarrassingly)
"I really wish that gunzels would seperate rational thought from mindless dribble."
And I really wish you would not make such comments, as it is an insulting thing to say, as well as a generalisation that all gunzels post rubbish, which is not true. Since I am a person who really loves Hitachis (and I mean REALLY loves Hitachis), you should consider yourself lucky I even said there's any reason why they "shouldn't be used"

Disclaimer: this post is not to suggest that the Hitachis return to service, it is just to clarify my point.
mattylovestrains

This is the problem with Victoria and its Public Transport. Just as one would not run a 1980's car for their daily commute, a modern public transport system should not have 42 year old trains which are unfit for Modern Transportation or for that matter 75 year old trams. Age is not an issue in Victoria because the State Government will not spend the money on new stock (Look at the E Class Tram Introduction, 6 Trams in 5 years!!) Modern Transit systems should have modern rolling stock and that means spending money on new stock and not $2 million on W Class Trams, to my mind that is criminal, especially given the state of the majority of the Tram Stock.

Sydney are getting rid of their non air conditioned stock, London are getting rid of their C Stock, because they do not meet modern standards. Get rid of the Hitachis. If they are to be used again, completely gut them and convert them to Modern Non Motored coaching stock for the Warrnambool and Albury Lines.

Michael

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  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

Just as one would not run a 1980's car for their daily commute,
mejhammers1

i use a 1964 model car as my daily commute would happily drive it anywhere i need to go , reliable cheap to run easy to fix and parts are not a issue more than can be said about a lot of newer cars

Maybe we should be getting rid of the early comenge aswell with next to useless A/C and are older than the last of the Hitachi fleet
now to sit back with my popcorn lol
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
i use a 1964 model car as my daily commute would happily drive it anywhere i need to go , reliable cheap to run easy to fix and parts are not a issue more than can be said about a lot of newer cars

Maybe we should be getting rid of the early comenge aswell with next to useless A/C and are older than the last of the Hitachi fleet
now to sit back with my popcorn lol
Bills_Billboards

Good for you, however most people drive Modern Cars. On the topic of Hitachis and new rolling stock, the Comengs are also close to their use by date and should be overhauled or new rolling stock to replace them should be bought.

Michael
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I'm busted, I had a 1988 Camry, which cost all of $1000. Smile
On that note however, I would call any car with EFI, power steering and rear disc brakes modern. Airbags, stability control and other mod-cons are akin to bubble wrap for your car to protect the idiots from themselves and others; they're basically making cars so you can't even lose control if you were deliberately trying (again, to protect the idiots, or hoons as they are called in the papers, from themselves). Nothing will protect idiots from a head-on crash at 100km/h plus on the highway.


"Overhauled" - this is something which has practically never been done to the Hitachi fleet. If Comeng cars squeaked, rattled and clunked on every bump and corner, they would have been scrapped at the same time. Not to mention the compressors which rattle the entire carriage. Had the Hitachi trains been rebuilt from the ground up and refurbished in the exact same way as the Comeng cars (e.g. PIDs, X'Trap seats, air conditioning), they would have been almost indistinguishable and lasted well into their fifties or whenever the Comeng cars are retired. The Harris cars are still going strong aren't they? Same with the Z cars (S cars, dating back to the 1940s, were only withdrawn a couple of years ago IIRC, unless they are still used on the rare train).
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
i use a 1964 model car as my daily commute would happily drive it anywhere i need to go , reliable cheap to run easy to fix and parts are not a issue more than can be said about a lot of newer cars
Bills_Billboards
Apples and Oranges. A suburban train does not do one run from the depot to the city and back again in the evening, they're often running for 12-18 hours a day. When you consider the amount of wear and tear this is on all moving parts, even the less obvious ones, then expected your 1964 model car to do the same amount of driving day in day out, I'm sure you'd sing a different tune.
  Comeng552M Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Sydney "Fixing the trains"
Passenger amenity and comfort are a legitimate reason to withdraw a train. As already discussed the Hitachi's aren't suited for today's modern railway with high expectations from commuters. The lack of air conditioning is pivotal in this as forced ventilation from open windows is practically useless on a hot day at keeping passengers cool. They also didn't have any other features commuters expect such as emergency help points, CCTV and PID's. Would have the fleet lasted slightly longer if they were refurbished to a more modern standard? Perhaps, maybe a couple of more years.  The fact is however that they weren't.

Today there's no point in conducting such refurbishment. Why bother spending a small fortune refurbishing a 40 year old train (which reliability wise is probably well past its used-by-date) when we already have a further 48 X'trapolis' carriages on order which will have a lifespan of at least 30 years and have all the features that commuters expect?
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
this was from 9 News



The Hitachi's will not run again -Mark Wild PT>
X'Trapolis-904M

Wow I could have told you that!.... Oh wait, I did.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Wow I could have told you that!.... Oh wait, I did.
Henry

I recall you mentioned their withdrawal a month out, and you were shouted down because it wasn't a popular statement. Didn't make it any less true.
  pandafalcon Station Staff

Thus ends an era.

The most recent movement, if I remember correctly, was of the Steamrail/Elecrail set that was being returned. This was the one that DoT claimed back to reintroduce into revenue service. I also believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that Steamrail/Elecrail have rights to swap carriages from this set with other carriages if other carriages not in the set now at Newport are in a better condition.

Update:

Elecrail set was

282M-1946T-281M-296M-1994T-295M
Old numbers were 99M-1946T-89M-225M-1994T-7M.


Which wasn't the one that went to Newport from Craigieburn.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thus ends an era.

The most recent movement, if I remember correctly, was of the Steamrail/Elecrail set that was being returned. This was the one that DoT claimed back to reintroduce into revenue service. I also believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that Steamrail/Elecrail have rights to swap carriages from this set with other carriages if other carriages not in the set now at Newport are in a better condition.

Update:

Elecrail set was

282M-1946T-281M-296M-1994T-295M
Old numbers were 99M-1946T-89M-225M-1994T-7M.


Which wasn't the one that went to Newport from Craigieburn.
"pandafalcon"

When did  DOT they say that
  another_nobody Beginner

Passenger amenity and comfort are a legitimate reason to withdraw a train. As already discussed the Hitachi's aren't suited for today's modern railway with high expectations from commuters. The lack of air conditioning is pivotal in this as forced ventilation from open windows is practically useless on a hot day at keeping passengers cool. They also didn't have any other features commuters expect such as emergency help points, CCTV and PID's. Would have the fleet lasted slightly longer if they were refurbished to a more modern standard? Perhaps, maybe a couple of more years. The fact is however that they weren't.

Today there's no point in conducting such refurbishment. Why bother spending a small fortune refurbishing a 40 year old train (which reliability wise is probably well past its used-by-date) when we already have a further 48 X'trapolis' carriages on order which will have a lifespan of at least 30 years and have all the features that commuters expect?
Comeng552M




The two bolded statements are mutually exclusive.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

so can anyone see a set which they will keep run lets say in the next 5 years?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
80M and 222M? Might still need a diesel on both ends though, since they are not cleared to run in revenue service. Smile
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
so can anyone see a set which they will keep run lets say in the next 5 years?
hitachi69

maybe but not in summer

"Metro Trains
Melbourne discontinued the operation of Hitachi trains when ambient temperature
exceeded 36 °C."
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

maybe but not in summer

"Metro Trains
Melbourne discontinued the operation of Hitachi trains when ambient temperature
exceeded 36 °C."
X'Trapolis-904M

they would be stupid not to have a set run because it would surely draw in a decent amount of money because of keen people such as myself wanting to go on another trip, and the set is basically up to standard (not safety wise with the current metro fleet)but in a way which it can operate during the day with other trains in the network, just like it did on the tour run.
  MtBeenak Train Controller

These days 80M is an Xtrap!
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

God it's such a waste seeing all the hitachis out of service. All I hear on tv now is commuter overcrowding and I just keep thinking to myself why couldn't these trains be phased out on the last batch order of xtraps. surely they could have gone one more year considering 2 of them are still good enough, the others are stuffed so forget about that, but they could have been used for parts so supply the 2. if I remember correctly there was a document saying that major work would be required in 2015 and that would have been a better time to send them off. I hate bringing this up because people keep saying that they were done and dusted which they are but come on, it would have been better to get every ounce of what was left in those trains and run them into the floor before retirement with minimal maintenance because it would keep enthusiasts happy and the government happy with an extra train. I just sure as hell hope to see a hitachi run again in a few years because its been 5 months now and it sucks to be stuck on a xcrap every single day of the week Evil or Very Mad
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
it sucks to be stuck on a xcrap every single day of the week Evil or Very Mad
hitachi69

Better than on a bl00dy Comeng...........
  mattylovestrains Train Controller

Better than on a bl00dy Comeng...........
YM-Mundrabilla

Nah, Comengs are way better than X'traps. I live on the Glen Waverley line and I'm REALLY bored with them (I am always so happy whenever a Comeng turns up).
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Nah, Comengs are way better than X'traps. I live on the Glen Waverley line and I'm REALLY bored with them (I am always so happy whenever a Comeng turns up).
mattylovestrains

i once went on a comeng on the belgrave line
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
i once went on a comeng on the belgrave line
X'Trapolis-904M

  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
LOL Laughing
  mattylovestrains Train Controller

LOL Laughing
"X'Trapolis-904M"

Wow, that's the most useful post I've ever seen... NOT!
  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

There is still 1 or 2 Hitachi runs still to take place , the 2 sets under the Citylink are still to go unless they have been moved since i last passed there , so is a chance to see them on the rails one more time Wink
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
There is still 1 or 2 Hitachi runs still to take place , the 2 sets under the Citylink are still to go unless they have been moved since i last passed there , so is a chance to see them on the rails one more time Wink
Bills_Billboards

I saw two there today.

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